Cadman allegedly Offered Money

[DrGreenthumb]

It is getting funny watching the Tories run out of committees in the last days.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=370957

The Tory denials can't be believed. Anyone remember how many times Harper denied pay-off in the Cutler affair?

http://winnipegsun.com/News/Columnists/Wes...900006-sun.html

That election might have been a different story if Harper's lies had been exposed then.

Well maybe we could get rid of Harper, if the damn Liberals would ever show up for work and help Jack Layton boot these corrupt tories out of office. I think the liberals should be booted out of the opposition as much as the cons need to be booted out of office. They are not doing the job we sent them there to do when they run away from every important vote and let the fascists run the country like they have a majority. I thought we could at least count on the senate to protect Canada but apparently they are just as chickenshit as there friends in the house.

[jdobbin]

Well maybe we could get rid of Harper, if the damn Liberals would ever show up for work and help Jack Layton boot these corrupt tories out of office. I think the liberals should be booted out of the opposition as much as the cons need to be booted out of office. They are not doing the job we sent them there to do when they run away from every important vote and let the fascists run the country like they have a majority. I thought we could at least count on the senate to protect Canada but apparently they are just as chickenshit as there friends in the house.

I agree. They should go to an election now. However, they will probably wait till after Monday's by-elections.

[Cameron]

You guys throw around the word "Facists" too much...I'd love to see you try and live in a country that is ACTUALLY facist....I won't pick up the phone to hear you begging to return to Canada.

[M.Dancer]

Say what you want about Harper, he tends to do what he says he will do.

Harper sues top Liberals for libel

THE CANADIAN PRESS

March 13, 2008 at 2:09 PM EDT

OTTAWA — Prime Minister Stephen Harper has filed a libel suit against the Liberals over statements published on the party's website concerning the Chuck Cadman affair.

An official in the Prime Minister's Office says Mr. Harper's lawyers filed the lawsuit Thursday in the Ontario Superior Court of Justice — the first time a sitting prime minister has sued the opposition for libel.

Mr. Harper last week threatened to sue Liberal Leader Stephane Dion, the Liberal Party of Canada and MPs Ralph Goodale and Michael Ignatieff over statements published on the party's website.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home

[jdobbin]

Harper said he would sue Dion, Ignatieff and Goodale.

Another broken Harper promise.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

"The three MPs have been dropped from the libel suit. This is only a libel suit against the Liberal party based solely on what was on the Liberal party website and a lot of lawyers feel what was on that website was libelous," Fife told CTV Newsnet. Also named in the suit are the unknown authors of the report on the Liberal website.

Ho hum. I guess this will be like the lawsuit that was suddenly dropped over the Cutler affairs after the court found the Tories did agree to pay off the other candidate.

[Topaz]

It's interesting for the Tories to stay up and say what a great man Cadman was and his family and yet someone is lying about this story. The Tories have had the chance to say the Cadman family isn't telling the truth but they avoid doing so why? The Harper government is too smart for itself and how many scandals have they got going now? As I said about a year ago, give them enough rope and they will hang themselves! All three opposition have made good points about the tape and what Harper has said.

[Alta4ever]

It's interesting for the Tories to stay up and say what a great man Cadman was and his family and yet someone is lying about this story. The Tories have had the chance to say the Cadman family isn't telling the truth but they avoid doing so why? The Harper government is too smart for itself and how many scandals have they got going now? As I said about a year ago, give them enough rope and they will hang themselves! All three opposition have made good points about the tape and what Harper has said.

These are hardly scandals, it is opposition through mud hoping some will stick.

Offeres made to past floor crossers have never been held up to this much scrutiny, when there was something. With this and Naftagate, there is precious little, just a liberal party tring to defect attention from the poor showing they have had in opposition.

Nothing like the gomery inquiry, that was a scandal.

There are no merits to this and I hope Harper sues the pants off the liberals for libel. The liberals have nothing, can prove nothing, and the reason for this is that NOTHING happened.

[daniel]

...I'd love to see you try and live in a country that is ACTUALLY facist....

From today's events, it won't be long before we are there.

[jdobbin]

There are no merits to this and I hope Harper sues the pants off the liberals for libel. The liberals have nothing, can prove nothing, and the reason for this is that NOTHING happened.

Last time Harper said there was no pay-off in the Cutler affair, he did have something to hide.

[Alta4ever]

Last time Harper said there was no pay-off in the Cutler affair, he did have something to hide.

Wasn't that about a candidate nomination, not compensation for a vote?

I think it was a different situation.

Edited March 13, 2008 by Alta4ever

[jdobbin]

Wasn't that about a candidate nomination, not compensation for a vote?

I think it was a different situation.

Is it? It was a pay-off and promise of some future trade-off and Harper denied it until a court said that there was a deal. Next thing you know we see the Conservatives quietly settle. Shows a pattern of behaviour and had it been revealed in the election, it would probably resulted in a Liberal not a Tory government.

[Alta4ever]

Is it? It was a pay-off and promise of some future trade-off and Harper denied it until a court said that there was a deal. Next thing you know we see the Conservatives quietly settle. Shows a pattern of behaviour and had it been revealed in the election, it would probably resulted in a Liberal not a Tory government.

If you had spent money on a nomination campaign, and then were asked to step down for some party reason, would you not want to be re-embursed for your expendature? I would. Much different then offer a bribe for a vote in the commons. It would never have changed the out come of the election.

[jdobbin]

If you had spent money on a nomination campaign, and then were asked to step down for some party reason, would you not want to be re-embursed for your expendature? I would. Much different then offer a bribe for a vote in the commons. It would never have changed the out come of the election.

Under the Criminal Code, it is illegal to seek a favour by offering a federal or provincial politician an inducement. Period. Full stop. Harper and Stockwell Day have done it in the past and in the case of Cutler, a judge agreed there was a deal and the Tories folded like a cheap tent.

[Alta4ever]

Under the Criminal Code, it is illegal to seek a favour by offering a federal or provincial politician an inducement. Period. Full stop. Harper and Stockwell Day have done it in the past and in the case of Cutler, a judge agreed there was a deal and the Tories folded like a cheap tent.

Funny if it was an inducement why weren't they charged?

A re-embursement, is not an inducement, it is indemification.

[scribblet]

These are hardly scandals, it is opposition through mud hoping some will stick.

Offeres made to past floor crossers have never been held up to this much scrutiny, when there was something. With this and Naftagate, there is precious little, just a liberal party tring to defect attention from the poor showing they have had in opposition.

Nothing like the gomery inquiry, that was a scandal.

There are no merits to this and I hope Harper sues the pants off the liberals for libel. The liberals have nothing, can prove nothing, and the reason for this is that NOTHING happened.

Exactly, the Liberals are throwing mud knowing that it sticks especially with the average voter, even if all people are proven innocent.

How is the opposition claiming that this arrangement was to have worked? Are they saying that the Conservatives would simply pay his widow $1 million out of party coffers? If so, why are they talking about an insurance policy? Because - there is no substance and no known offer, only third party allegations.

What is more liikely, is that the Liberals were offering a huge financial inducement to vote for them, the CPC were likely scratching their heads trying to work out how to remove that financial inducement from the table and so let Cadman use his vote without his personal finances being a factor.

This is nothing but a shameless exploitation of a very trying and emotional period for the Cadman family, for political gain and that, in my opinion, is repulsive. Obviously keeping this going and throwing more mud about gives the Liberals cause to think they may have some traction for an election. All we know for sure about what transpired during a meeting, is that two people offered Cadman something, and that he turned it down. Everything else is pure speculation and smear tactics.

Again,what insurance company would offer that kind of coverage to someone with terminal cancer?

[jdobbin]

Funny if it was an inducement why weren't they charged?

A re-embursement, is not an inducement, it is indemification.

A court disagreed. That is why the Tories settled their last case where Harper issued strong denials. I have no idea why the RCMP didn't lay charges.

In any event, Dona Cadman never said her husband was offered election expenses. She said he was offered an insurance policy for his vote. The Tories deny this. Dona Cadman sticks to her story. That type of inducement is definitely illegal yet Tories want no investigation of it. They insist it never happened yet keep Dona Cadman as a candidate.

[Alta4ever]

A court disagreed. That is why the Tories settled their last case where Harper issued strong denials. I have no idea why the RCMP didn't lay charges.

In any event, Dona Cadman never said her husband was offered election expenses. She said he was offered an insurance policy for his vote. The Tories deny this. Dona Cadman sticks to her story. That type of inducement is definitely illegal yet Tories want no investigation of it. They insist it never happened yet keep Dona Cadman as a candidate.

How do we know what he said when he was on the drugs he was on. My mother died of a cancer. It was a brain tumour just like chuck cadman's. The last two months she was saying all kinds of weird things because of the meds she was on, she was also delusional. It was really hard to watch, and much of what she said was hard to believe. Chuck may have said something to his wife and child in this state.

The problem is we will never know, it can never be proven one way or the other. But for some reason you and many others can't just let this go you will drag the cadmans through the mud, you will soil the name of a good man, all in the pursuit of power. This has been very petty and if it was the liberals or NDP we would have hardly even had a whiff of this.

It is time to stop all the emotional rhetoric and leave it alone, as the there is no proof of any wrong doing.

Time to use some logic not just political vindictiveness and pettiness.

[jdobbin]

How do we know what he said when he was on the drugs he was on. My mother died of a cancer. It was a brain tumour just like chuck cadman's. The last two months she was saying all kinds of weird things because of the meds she was on, she was also delusional. It was really hard to watch, and much of what she said was hard to believe. Chuck may have said something to his wife and child in this state.

Now, we have the Cadman was sick argument and didn't know what he was saying. Why would the Harper Tories try to run a man in the next election who was in that bad shape?

The problem is we will never know, it can never be proven one way or the other. But for some reason you and many others can't just let this go you will drag the cadmans through the mud, you will soil the name of a good man, all in the pursuit of power. This has been very petty and if it was the liberals or NDP we would have hardly even had a whiff of this.

It is time to stop all the emotional rhetoric and leave it alone, as the there is no proof of any wrong doing.

Time to use some logic not just political vindictiveness and pettiness.

We have seen Harper deny before only to have a judge contradict him.

[Alta4ever]

Now, we have the Cadman was sick argument and didn't know what he was saying. Why would the Harper Tories try to run a man in the next election who was in that bad shape?

We have seen Harper deny before only to have a judge contradict him.

what politican have we seen who has denied something, give it up. You may not like the conservatives, you may not like the Rt. Hon. Stephen Harper. Thats your right, but come on there is noway to prove this one way or the other. This whole arguement is perpetuated on emotional response, because these is no proof.

[jdobbin]

what politican have we seen who has denied something, give it up. You may not like the conservatives, you may not like the Rt. Hon. Stephen Harper. Thats your right, but come on there is noway to prove this one way or the other. This whole arguement is perpetuated on emotional response, because these is no proof.

The Harper government doesn't want an investigation of it either.

The accuser is all this is a Conservative candidate.

[Alta4ever]

The Harper government doesn't want an investigation of it either.

The accuser is all this is a Conservative candidate.

The accusers are liberals, Donna Cadman has never accused Harper. Please post her accusation.

[jdobbin]

The accusers are liberals, Donna Cadman has never accused Harper. Please post her accusation.

Please cite where I said she accused Harper.

I said a Conservative has accused Conservatives of bribery. She is quoted as saying she believed it was bribery.

[jdobbin]

Why hired Stevan Pausak?

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...13?hub=Politics

One of Canada's top audio experts says someone hired him to analyze the explosive recording at the heart of the Chuck Cadman affair.

But Stevan Pausak won't say who.

He also refused to discuss when he did the work, saying only that it was "a long time ago.''

Pausak, an experienced forensic scientist who holds a doctorate from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, declined all further comment other than to say he completed an analysis.

[Topaz]

The Libs reported that Donna Cadman, in a sworn statement said that, her hubby told her they ( 2 conservatives ) tried to bribe him with a million dollar life insurance policy on May 17th and NOT 19th. I'm so sick of hearing Moore standing up and repeating and repeating his stupid excuse about how they didn`t make any offers. So now we have 3 people saying the Cons did offer and I believe them and not the government.

[jdobbin]

Harper's testimony.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080904/...l/harper_cadman

"Maybe I should add to you where this came up firstly," he said. "This is when Doug Finley called me through my executive, Ray Novak, on the 18th, and he asked permission to approach Chuck Cadman on behalf of the party to get him to rejoin the caucus, and that the story was that Chuck wanted to vote with us in Parliament as he usually did, and that he would want to rejoin the caucus and fight with us in an election campaign, but that he couldn't because he didn't have, you know, he didn't have the financing, he would have lost the election, et cetera, et cetera".

Harper testified that his initial response was that he believed Cadman was going to vote with the Liberals, based on his earlier April 1 discussion with Cadman.

The prime minister said party members were conveying the message "aggressively" to him that then-prime minister Paul Martin and other Liberals had approached Cadman seeking support in the Commons vote and that he "had a responsibility to make sure that Chuck was formally approached and that it was clearly understood that he could rejoin the caucus, that he could get the nomination, there was no doubt about that, and that he would be a priority for the party in terms of re-election and financial support. And on that basis, I authorized the meeting on the 19th."

Though Harper has not taken any legal action against Zytaruk, he has contended since last June the tape of the interview Zytaruk conducted with him outside Dona Cadman's home was doctored.

He has since said the financial considerations included campaign expenses and support, but added more detail about Finley's offer during the cross examination.