Canadians need to control immigration GREATLY

[M.Dancer]

.... we are told we have too many citizens already and that we are richer with less people than more.

pray tell, who told you that?

[Oleg Bach]

Great. Then let's ban abortions and encourage reproduction.

I'm curious how with immigration more is better and more prosperity but with reproduction we are told we have too many citizens already and that we are richer with less people than more.

'You don't have to bann abortions - just don't normalize it as much or attatch it to words like freedom and choice. I agree with the writer on the fact that we have to many citizens all ready - try riding the subway or go hang ouin the emergency ward at the local hospital...or try finding a family doctor. You will find our infrastuctures in general already over burdened. I just don't get it that more and bigger is better...the only people that benefit from more immigration are the super rich who are granted more wealth through more cheaper and abundant labour - the average Canadian has to take the hit for this greed.

It's a case of physics when it come to prosperity in Canada..it is akin to a household with 5 people as compared to the same household containing 20 people - the five will be more comfortable and there will be more order and less suffering - immigration benefits the super rich...Our elite are a disgrace in the depth of their disloyalty..thanks a lot for making me the black man of Canada and putting me into 1930 - bastards - I hate you - You made me poor with your greed...I have never used the term "hate" - but I do today - our own tribe sold us out..and now they still bring in more to work for less as I grow more destitute/

[AngusThermopyle]

It's a case of physics when it come to prosperity in Canada..it is akin to a household with 5 people as compared to the same household containing 20 people - the five will be more comfortable and there will be more order and less suffering - immigration benefits the super rich...Our elite are a disgrace in the depth of their disloyalty..thanks a lot for making me the black man of Canada and putting me into 1930 - bastards - I hate you - You made me poor with your greed...I have never used the term "hate" - but I do today - our own tribe sold us out..and now they still bring in more to work for less as I grow more destitute/

Well what you wrote has absolutely nothing to do with Physics, but thats a rather quibbling point. I really don't agree with what you are saying though. I still hold to the belief that if you want it badly enough to do what it takes, then you shall have what you want. The only basis I can state for this belief is my own personal experience. It appears to be true though, I came to Alberta wanting a better life and willing to work for it. Now I have that better life and all else just seems to be undergoing a "snowball" effect. Everything in my life is getting better and better. Certainly I've had to work hard for it, but its all dependant on how much value you place on your wants.

As an aside, I only came out here about 20 months ago from Ontario, so it doesn't take very long either.

Thats why I cant agree with your Black man in 1930 assessment.

[Rue]

I wonder if it has ever occurred to you that the rising incidence of anti-antisemitism is not coincidental to our rising level of foreign born citizenry, and that as the latter rises, so will the former.

You might look to France for how well Jews are faring there these days. Perhaps you'd be a little less smug in your defense of wide-open immigration and Muslim rights.

Argus if there was one thing I know from personal experience, is that anti-semites like anyone else aren't restricted to foreigners. Lol. But you know Argus if you are asking me would I get nervous sitting next to a guy on an airplane wearing a Hamas t-shirt, yes. But my point is even if he was a white guy wearing that shirt, he would make me nervous. I believe Einstein referred to it as the theory of relativity.

Edited February 21, 2008 by Rue

[Argus]

So what?

There speaks the mind of a man with the imagination of a hammer.

[Argus]

I know a lot of Muslim people and *gasp* I'm even really good friends with some of them, they're just as CANADIAN as I am or any of you are.

Let me guess. You're one of those types who believe Canada is a legal entity and nothinv more. It's a place with no history and no culture, and there's nothing whatsoever special, unique or in any way good about being a "canadian", because that's just a legal designation on a piece of paper. Someone can land here from Uzbekistan tomorrow, get his passport the day after, and "HE IS JUST A MUCH A CANADIAN AS YOU RACISTS ARE!!!"

Have I pretty much summed up your little bureacratic mindset on this issue?

Now if those Muslims aren't the problem, then you all need to be a little clearer on what exactly is the problem.

The problem is that I like to drink clean water. If you drop a grain of sand in, then you still have clean water. Too many grains of sand and you get mud. I don't like to drink mud.

I think Canada is kind of a special place because of the cultural characteristics and shared history of its citizenry. Now, let's say you add in a thousand Klingons. Well, Klingons have their own unique, and somewhat violent cultural habits, which are often at odds with ours. But there's only a thousand of them, so it's not that big a deal, and eventually they'll adapt, right? But when you bring in a million of them, then suddenly I'm confronted with their barbaric habits almost every day. Bring in ten million of them, and now they're electing their people to parliament and trying to get the laws changed to be more in line with their own backward habits and beliefs. Now businesses are catering to their cultural habits and beliefs. Now they're influencing our culture to be more like theirs.

I don't particularly want to be a Klingon.

Of course, to those with the imagination of a hammer, the Klingons become perfectly ordinary Canadians the instant they get a piece of paper.

[Argus]

Some cities.....I believe when my dad landed her all cities had populations where the majority were foreign born.....

I rather doubt that. But it's beside the point. Those who point to the distant past and say we had a larger immigrant population then ignore the fact that the cultural background of the great majority of the immigrant population was very similar to our own, and so we all quickly blended together. In the case of people from the middle east and Asia their cultural backgrounds are wildly divergent from our own and in many cases their beliefs are nearly incompatible with our own.

Edited February 22, 2008 by Argus

[M.Dancer]

That's not happening with a lot of these people from the middle east and Asia.

That is a subjective statement if ever there was one. The funny thing is that same subjective staement was used 100 years ago, 80 years ago, 40 years ago and here it is again.

Being co-opted by our society is what our society does best. For all the fears of the eastern european jews immigrating to north america at the turjn of the century, or the Italians later on....how many of their children today aren't fully acclimatised to North American culture?

I look at my daughter's friends who are from upper middle class homes, many are first generation, some born overseas, some even second and third generation; and I see new canadians who are Persian, south east asian, asian and european and to the girl, they are all 9 year old Hannah Montana fans, eager to go see High School Musical and all are dying to wear Uggs.

It doen't matter where the parents are from, within two generations, the kids are ours.

[Argus]

Argus if there was one thing I know from personal experience, is that anti-semites like anyone else aren't restricted to foreigners. Lol. But you know Argus if you are asking me would I get nervous sitting next to a guy on an airplane wearing a Hamas t-shirt, yes. But my point is even if he was a white guy wearing that shirt, he would make me nervous. I believe Einstein referred to it as the theory of relativity.

The difference is the white Canadian anti-semite probably will try not to hire you for a job. The anti-semite from the Muslim world will be more interested in burning down your kid's school or blowing up your temple.

Again, have a look at the experiences of the Jews in France as that country got more and more Muslim citizens.

[BubberMiley]

The difference is the white Canadian anti-semite probably will try not to hire you for a job. The anti-semite from the Muslim world will be more interested in burning down your kid's school or blowing up your temple.

You mean Hitler was a Muslim? I didn't know that.

[Argus]

I look at my daughter's friends who are from upper middle class homes, many are first generation, some born overseas, some even second and third generation; and I see new canadians who are Persian, south east asian, asian and european and to the girl, they are all 9 year old Hannah Montana fans, eager to go see High School Musical and all are dying to wear Uggs.

And when they reach marriageable age those little Hannah Montana fans will be shipped back "home" and married off to a proper Muslim and then beaten into submission so the next generation can be raised as proper Muslims.

[Argus]

You mean Hitler was a Muslim? I didn't know that.

You mean Hitler was a Canadian?

Some grasp of history you have there, genius.

[guyser]

And when they reach marriageable age those little Hannah Montana fans will be shipped back "home" and married off to a proper Muslim and then beaten into submission so the next generation can be raised as proper Muslims.

So, they will reach an age, and poof...shipped off. Ok.

So you are pissed if they stay and pissed if they go. Can you make up your mind?

[Melanie_]

And when they reach marriageable age those little Hannah Montana fans will be shipped back "home" and married off to a proper Muslim and then beaten into submission so the next generation can be raised as proper Muslims.

Those girls, raised in Canada, are standing up more often and saying no. Recently one of my students (a Sikh in her early 20s) told her parents that if they didn't want her to have Canadian values, they should have raised her in the Punjab. She is marrying the man she chose, rather than the man her parents chose; he is Sikh, she isn't abandoning her culture and faith, but she is finding a way to make it work in a Canadian context.

[DogOnPorch]

Those girls, raised in Canada, are standing up more often and saying no. Recently one of my students (a Sikh in her early 20s) told her parents that if they didn't want her to have Canadian values, they should have raised her in the Punjab. She is marrying the man she chose, rather than the man her parents chose; he is Sikh, she isn't abandoning her culture and faith, but she is finding a way to make it work in a Canadian context.

Dangerous business...going against the family in some cultures.

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A tenth of 500 Hindus, Sikhs, Christians and Muslims surveyed by the BBC's Asian Network radio said they would condone the murder of someone who disrespected their family's honour.

---BBC

[iForgot]

Argus,

in the past you have said that your problem is with culture, not race. What do you suggest then, something like immigrants having to take pledges to adopt Canadian values like in Quebec? What about the non whites who choose to adopt the Canadian culture over their homelands culture - do you have a problem with them??

Edited February 22, 2008 by iForgot

[Melanie_]

Dangerous business...going against the family in some cultures.

It can be dangerous, I agree. Women who defy their families have been locked up, shipped away, beaten, married against their will, and killed. It takes a lot of courage to make this stand, knowing that they may be in danger but willing to risk it. It shows how assimilated the second and third generation of immigrants are; they are Canadian, and expect Canadian laws and values to apply just as much to them as to any white person.

[DogOnPorch]

It can be dangerous, I agree. Women who defy their families have been locked up, shipped away, beaten, married against their will, and killed. It takes a lot of courage to make this stand, knowing that they may be in danger but willing to risk it. It shows how assimilated the second and third generation of immigrants are; they are Canadian, and expect Canadian laws and values to apply just as much to them as to any white person.

Well, your one example apparently does...ie wants Canadian values. Cultural iconoclasm could eventually derail that as certain populations grow in size and political power. Sharia Law and such being introduced in Canada eventually, for example.

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If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam.

---George Bernard Shaw

[BubberMiley]

You mean Hitler was a Canadian?

Ooooh...so you're only talking within a Canadian context. Therefore, you'll be able to provide evidence of numerous instances where Muslims in Canada burned Jewish schools and temples.

Because there are thousands and thousands of Muslims living in Canada. If it's "likely" they would want to do this, it must be happening all the time.

Unless, of course, you are once again just talking out of your ass.

[DogOnPorch]

Ooooh...so you're only talking within a Canadian context. Therefore, you'll be able to provide evidence of numerous instances where Muslims in Canada burned Jewish schools and temples.

Because there are thousands and thousands of Muslims living in Canada. If it's "likely" they would want to do this, it must be happening all the time.

Unless, of course, you are once again just talking out of your ass.

Anti-Semitism is, of course, a reality in Canada. It is also on the rise according to many sources. To say it is all fueled by Islam would be a mistake as other groups are just as prone. However to say none of it is caused by Islam would also be a mistake. Numerous synagogues have been targets as well as Jewish schools and such. As with many of these sorts of crimes in Canada, few people get hauled before the courts for us to find out the nature of their anti-Semitism. Neo-Nazi? KKK? Islam?

We simply don't have all the answers.

http://www.wwrn.org/article.php?idd=3866&a...ec=35&con=5

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...752C1A9669C8B63

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2007/90245.htm

On June 29, 2007, for the third time in 3 months, a Jewish cemetery in Ottawa was desecrated. According to reports, grave markers were uprooted and demolished and the watering system rendered useless. In April 2007 grave markers were also knocked over and anti-Semitic graffiti was painted on a cemetery wall. Police alleged that the incidents were related.

In April 2007 Montreal authorities charged two men for arson, uttering death threats, and possessing arson materials in connection with two incidents against the Jewish community. In April and September 2006, the men exploded a small bomb in front of a Jewish Community Center and hurled a firebomb at the front door of an Orthodox Jewish School. No one was injured in either attack.

Also in April 2007 a synagogue in British Columbia was defaced with anti-Semitic graffiti on Holocaust Remembrance Day. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the British Columbia Hate Crimes Unit were investigating the attack as a hate crime.

In March 2007 a man wearing clothing and items representative of neo-Nazi and white supremacist groups was arrested after breaking a window at Toronto's Chabad Midtown Jewish Community Center. Authorities were treating the incident as a hate crime.

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The Jews damn near owned all of Germany prior to the war. That's how Hitler came in. He was going to make damn sure that the Jews didn't take over Germany or Europe. That's why he fried six million of those guys, you know. Jews would have owned the goddamned world. And look what they're doing. They're killing people in Arab countries.

---Chief David Ahenakew, 2002

[Hydraboss]

Argus,

in the past you have said that your problem is with culture, not race. What do you suggest then, something like immigrants having to take pledges to adopt Canadian values like in Quebec? What about the non whites who choose to adopt the Canadian culture over their homelands culture - do you have a problem with them??

I certainly don't. However, the moment they complain to the Human Rights Circus that they want to wear their turbans instead of TRADITIONAL head wear, want their kids to bring DAGGERS to school, refuse to wear HELMETS when they ride motorcycles, don't want their pictures on their driver's licenses, don't want to speak English, etc., then they should get their white or non-white asses on the next dinghy back to wherever the hell they came from. Sharia law? Kiss my Canadian ass. We don't have Sharia law here, and if you really want it...go back to where it's already alive and well.

Think you can come to this country and start up your Triad gangs? F**k you! We have a military that would be happy to blow 105mm holes in that theory! Want to come here and smuggle dope "ya mon!"? Ya, we can deal with your ass too.

When the hell did it become politically incorrect to protect our country from this bullshit? The day some purple-skinned Canadian kid can't say "Merry Christmas" in Canada is the day the immigration policy should change to zero quota from bronze-age countries.

Go ahead and call me a racist. I'm getting used to it.

[BubberMiley]

Go ahead and call me a racist. I'm getting used to it.

Why bother? That would be like telling the Pope he's Catholic.

[iForgot]

I certainly don't. However, the moment they complain to the Human Rights Circus that they want to wear their turbans instead of TRADITIONAL head wear, want their kids to bring DAGGERS to school, refuse to wear HELMETS when they ride motorcycles, don't want their pictures on their driver's licenses, don't want to speak English, etc., then they should get their white or non-white asses on the next dinghy back to wherever the hell they came from. Sharia law? Kiss my Canadian ass. We don't have Sharia law here, and if you really want it...go back to where it's already alive and well.

Think you can come to this country and start up your Triad gangs? F**k you! We have a military that would be happy to blow 105mm holes in that theory! Want to come here and smuggle dope "ya mon!"? Ya, we can deal with your ass too.

When the hell did it become politically incorrect to protect our country from this bullshit? The day some purple-skinned Canadian kid can't say "Merry Christmas" in Canada is the day the immigration policy should change to zero quota from bronze-age countries.

Go ahead and call me a racist. I'm getting used to it.

Hydraboss, you are not racist. You are a culturist which is essentially what I am. I don't give a rats arse what color your skin is, as long as you're Canadian. I propose all immigrants take an official pledge to adore to Canadian values or else they lose their citizenship. Harsh? Take a look at White national forums then tell me who is harsh.

[M.Dancer]

And when they reach marriageable age those little Hannah Montana fans will be shipped back "home" and married off to a proper Muslim and then beaten into submission so the next generation can be raised as proper Muslims.

Well as long as we are in the realm of fantasy....when they go back, with their law degrees and medical degrees, they will take with them the indomitable spirit of the west and reform the legal and fashion worlds of those muslim, hindu and secular nations....

[Argus]

WHATS YOUR SOLUTION?

Um, cut immigration.