Gitmo lawyers back Obama

Leafless · February 7, 2008

More than 80 attorneys who have been offering free-of-charge legal services to Guantánamo detainees issued a statement Monday supporting Democrat Barack Obama's presidential bid.

Isn't this enough to make you sick to your stomach.

I guess now we have 'THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY (lawyers).

Is this what Obama meant by 'CHANGE' by him and his buddies?

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/story/397031.html

guyser · February 7, 2008

Isn't this enough to make you sick to your stomach.

What..your posts?

Naw , not sick to my stomach, just wondering how you can function outside. But like most internet warriors, you know enough to shut your mouth when out in public.

Cheers,

Your pink swilling chardonnay gay buddy !

(supposedly anyway)

Leafless · February 7, 2008

What..your posts?
Naw , not sick to my stomach, just wondering how you can function outside. But like most internet warriors, you know enough to shut your mouth when out in public.

Cheers,

Your pink swilling chardonnay gay buddy !

(supposedly anyway)

Another unpatriotic nut case.

BubberMiley · February 7, 2008

Another unpatriotic nut case.

I knew you identified yourself as unpatriotic by your internet name “Leafless,” meaning you do not accept the Canadian symbol as your own. The rest of your description, however, surprised me, as I didn’t realize you were so self-aware.

guyser · February 8, 2008

Another unpatriotic nut case.

I'd love to hear your explaination on why I am unpatriotic. That is a serious request.

So, how 'bout it?

BubberMiley · February 8, 2008

I'd love to hear your explaination on why I am unpatriotic. That is a serious request.
So, how 'bout it?

Why ask? The answer would just be that you don't sufficiently distrust and hold others in contempt, but you would have to work to decipher that message through the lack of grammar and the poor spelling.

I guess it's true what conservatives say: for some people, minimum wage is too much.

Leafless · February 8, 2008

I knew you identified yourself as unpatriotic by your internet name “Leafless,” meaning you do not accept the Canadian symbol as your own. The rest of your description, however, surprised me, as I didn’t realize you were so self-aware.

I only wish you would increase your awareness level to understand, that you are compelled by the nature of this forum, to address the topic, rather than insult with a cheap personal attack.

Where are the moderators?

BubberMiley · February 8, 2008

I only wish you would increase your awareness level to understand, that you are compelled by the nature of this forum, to address the topic, rather than insult with a cheap personal attack.
Where are the moderators?

Uh, maybe trying to keep up with you?

Anyone who agrees with words of a sniveling socialist moron like Bubber, is one himself.

Your crazy.

Another unpatriotic nut case.

It is funny that you would think the moderators should respond to your cheap personal attack only when I pretend you were talking about yourself. :lol:

Edited February 8, 2008 by BubberMiley

Leafless · February 8, 2008

Uh, maybe trying to keep up with you?

Trying to keep up with me what?

Beating off arrogant, stupid people like you and guyser, who ruin this forum with your assholic statements.

If you don't have anything intelligent to say, don't reply, you cheap socialist nobody.

guyser · February 8, 2008

If you don't have anything intelligent to say, .

Hell, it never stopped you.

I asked nicely why you think I am unpatriotic, man enough to answer?

Beating off arrogant, stupid people like you and guyser

Wha.......? You must have soft delicate hands like my girlfriend. Thats it, I am locking the bedroom door.

(pssst....Brokeback Mountain was a good movie, I take it you liked it?)

BubberMiley · February 8, 2008

Trying to keep up with me what?
Beating off arrogant, stupid people like you and guyser, who ruin this forum with your assholic statements.

If you don't have anything intelligent to say, don't reply, you cheap socialist nobody.

Your cheap personal attacks hurt my feelings. I've always held your opinion in high regard.

Leafless · February 8, 2008

Hell, it never stopped you.
I asked nicely why you think I am unpatriotic, man enough to answer?

Wha.......? You must have soft delicate hands like my girlfriend. Thats it, I am locking the bedroom door.

(pssst....Brokeback Mountain was a good movie, I take it you liked it?)

Go play with your homo friends.

guyser · February 8, 2008

Go play with your homo friends.

Now now, dont be mean. It was you who posted the words.

Edited February 8, 2008 by guyser

Moonlight Graham · February 8, 2008

Isn't this enough to make you sick to your stomach.
I guess now we have 'THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY (lawyers).

Is this what Obama meant by 'CHANGE' by him and his buddies?

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/story/397031.html

Lawyers are offering to represent detainees at GB for free? I didn't know lawyers could actually do something noble.

Leafless · February 8, 2008

Lawyers are offering to represent detainees at GB for free? I didn't know lawyers could actually do something noble.

Something noble?

Gitmo exist for the suppression of an international terrorist group that had attacked the U.S. killing 3,000 people while attempting to decapitate the government through the hijack of airliners and to house prisoners from the Afghanistan battlefield.

BubberMiley · February 8, 2008

Something noble?

And what sacrifice these defence lawyers must make to sustain the great U.S. justice system, which is based on innocence until proof of guilt. No terrorist should be given the power to subvert one of the key principles of free society.

Charles Anthony · February 8, 2008

Everybody,

Stop the insults and inflammatory language.

Despite the vast majority of this entire thread being nonsense and flamebait, there are a few attempts to actually discuss the topic. I urge everybody to remain focussed on the topic in a civilized manner.

Leafless · February 19, 2008

And what sacrifice these defence lawyers must make to sustain the great U.S. justice system, which is based on innocence until proof of guilt. No terrorist should be given the power to subvert one of the key principles of free society.

Gitmo detainees are an exception.

The US Senate has decided not to consider a measure to give Guantanamo detainees and other foreigners the right to challenge their detention in the courts.
The draft legislation needed approval by 60 votes in order to be considered in the Senate, which is narrowly controlled by Democrats. It received only 56, with 43 voting against.

Congress last year eliminated the right to habeas corpus for non-US citizens labeled 'enemy combatants' by the government.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0919/us.html

Peter F · February 19, 2008

And what sacrifice these defence lawyers must make to sustain the great U.S. justice system, which is based on innocence until proof of guilt. No terrorist should be given the power to subvert one of the key principles of free society.

Alleged terrorist...

Leafless · February 19, 2008

This whole thread, starting with the original post is nonsense. I must say I am really baffled by this one.

Lawyers working against U.S. national interest and national security is nonsense?

"The detainees at Guantanamo Bay are not criminal defendants. They are enemy combatants in the midst of a war against the United States using the courts of the United States as a weapon against the people of the United States whom they are trying to kill," says Andrew McCarthy, senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and NRO contributor. "Interesting that the establishment bar, when it decides to provide pro bono help, picks al Qaeda."

http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murd...00601250929.asp

BubberMiley · February 19, 2008

Gitmo detainees are an exception.

Creating "exceptions" to the constitution and the rule of law weakens them both. I find it strange that the same people who repeat hysterically that terrorists are trying to destroy our civilization would be the first to undermine that civilization's foundation.

Leafless · February 20, 2008

Creating "exceptions" to the constitution and the rule of law weakens them both. I find it strange that the same people who repeat hysterically that terrorists are trying to destroy our civilization would be the first to undermine that civilization's foundation.

Nobody has 'created exceptions', it is simply a fact that 'enemy combatants' simply do not qualify for legal representation under American democratic principles.

BubberMiley · February 20, 2008

Nobody has 'created exceptions', it is simply a fact that 'enemy combatants' simply do not qualify for legal representation under American democratic principles.

FIrst, you say they are an exception. Then you say they aren't an exception and it's just a fact that they are...an exception when it comes to democratic principles. It's sort of difficult to debate with such a position, since it appears you are unclear about what you are debating yourself.

Edit for superior punctuation.

Edited February 20, 2008 by BubberMiley

Leafless · February 20, 2008

FIrst, you say they are an exception.

Simply replying to your statement in which you drag in the good citizens of America: "And what sacrifice these defence lawyers must make to sustain the great U.S. justice system, which is based on innocence until proof of guilt."

Then you say they aren't an exception; it's just a fact that they are...an exception when it comes to democratic principles. It's sort of difficult to debate with such a position, since it appears you are unclear about what you are debating yourself.

This only proves you have no respect for good citizens of the U.S., vs. murderous enemy combatants and turn around and try to confuse or cloud the issue with your undemocratic anti-American sentiments.

BubberMiley · February 20, 2008

I love the U.S., admire it, and think it's the world's greatest democracy. I think its founding fathers were brilliant visionaries that, along with its British cousins, shaped the most successful and positive human society ever. But I understand you would be lost without your standard "you hate America" argument.

But the debate over gitmo is soon to be moot anyway, because all three potential presidents are firmly opposed to torture and will shut it down. Fortunately they, too, believe that the U.S. is better than those countries with secret trials and secret prisons and torture.