eyeball Posted February 2, 2008 Report Posted February 2, 2008 (edited) Sentenced to death: Afghan who dared to read about women's rights By Kim Sengupta Thursday, 31 January 2008 A young man, a student of journalism, is sentenced to death by an Islamic court for downloading a report from the internet. The sentence is then upheld by the country's rulers. This is Afghanistan – not in Taliban times but six years after "liberation" and under the democratic rule of the West's ally Hamid Karzai. Story. I guess since we've failed to win the War On Terror its probably no surprise to learn we're losing the Struggle Against Extremism too. Here's my real two cents worth, buy as many helicopters as you can get your hands on and stuff as many of those little kids you've built schools for into them and evacuate them to Canada. The thought of their innocent false hopes being burned along with them at the stake is more that I can bear. EDIT: The title of this thread has been changed. The original title was Redirect my two cents to this poor bastard. Edited February 7, 2008 by Charles Anthony title changed Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted February 5, 2008 Report Posted February 5, 2008 Why would you care what happens to these folks....you've already stated your case, let the natural order of things sort itself out....and thats what it is doing....don't worry those of that are doing something won't let this happen...but hey feel free to use all those freedoms that you have to voice your opinion.... And did i say thanks , i think we spent your 2 cents already, on things we need to hang on the wall here....picture of the queen i think.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
FTA Lawyer Posted February 6, 2008 Report Posted February 6, 2008 Why would you care what happens to these folks....you've already stated your case, let the natural order of things sort itself out....and thats what it is doing....don't worry those of that are doing something won't let this happen...but hey feel free to use all those freedoms that you have to voice your opinion....And did i say thanks , i think we spent your 2 cents already, on things we need to hang on the wall here....picture of the queen i think.... Are you suggesting Canadian / NATO soldiers are going to intervene in this situation and free this kid? If they are, great. BUT... If they have to intervene, the point the original poster makes is it is a pretty piss-poor indicator of success for the mission is it not? I mean, death sentences for reading? Should we not be a little further down the path of enlightenment by now? FTA P.S. I don't intend this as a slight against our troops...I don't really think the original poster did either. The point is if the politicians can't do a better job of making effective change, then we're losing way too many good men and women in the pursuit of an ideal that is at best uncertain and at worst unattainable. Quote
eyeball Posted February 7, 2008 Author Report Posted February 7, 2008 As of yesterday Canadian diplomats had expressed some concern but Harper has remained completely silent about the issue. If this was just a case of some old-school judge in the Afghani boonies who hasn't got with the program yet I could see why he might not be in this particular loop, but this is Stephan Harper we're talking about. I doubt if anyone in his government can so much as fart without him catching wind of it. You can bet he is FULLY aware of this issue. I suppose the last thing Harper wants to do is acknowledge any suggestion that the Aghani government might be using 17 year old Parwez Kambaksh as a hostage to force his brother who is also a reporter, to stop reporting on extensive corruption and human rights abuses being committed by the government. Who want's to go there? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted February 7, 2008 Report Posted February 7, 2008 Are you suggesting Canadian / NATO soldiers are going to intervene in this situation and free this kid? If they are, great. We have already been down this path once already in regards to Afgan putting to death, one of it's people...the last one was for converting to be a christian...was it not... No, i'm not suggesting that Canadian troops will intervene...But i'm sure that NATO is doing something about it, which includes the Diplomatic corps, and NATO military advisors... If they have to intervene, the point the original poster makes is it is a pretty piss-poor indicator of success for the mission is it not? I mean, death sentences for reading? Should we not be a little further down the path of enlightenment by now? I think we are all forgetting that we can not use the same measuring stick as we do for our selfs....and if we do put it in context that there nation is just starting out...we can't expect them to be at our level in just 6 years, when it's taken us over 200 to reach the piont at which we are now. My piont is they are just starting out and they are going to make some major mistakes along the way, it is what they do to solve the problem which we should be measuring. P.S. I don't intend this as a slight against our troops...I don't really think the original poster did either. The point is if the politicians can't do a better job of making effective change, then we're losing way too many good men and women in the pursuit of an ideal that is at best uncertain and at worst unattainable. I don't think most Canadians understand just how large or how complicated this mission was or is...Nor do they understand the time frame that it will take to accomplish it....They've attached an unrealistic time table to it and fully expect us to follow it or leave....kind of like dropping off your car with a blown engine at the garage and telling them you'll be back after coffee break to pick it up....and i'm only paying for one machanic to work on it, and no air tools allowed, or mech hoists.... But then again nothing is certain, in war...and everything is attainable if you commit enough resources and lives to the problem. And while the majority of Canadians will state clearly, that our military is performing thier end of the mission, it is our government that lacks focus and drive....but i think we should also look at the Average Canadain as well. most are not as informed as they should be, most are not aware of the severity of the problem, most don't Care, and those that do care or concentrate on side bars, minor issues that seem to detract from the main issue... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Topaz Posted February 7, 2008 Report Posted February 7, 2008 I, too think that unless we know exactly how the present Afghanistan feels in "civil freedoms" we are there just to take out one violent group and replace with another. We can't change their religious beliefs and after this war is over the west can't say that the people will have freedoms like the west think it should. So, who will answer the question why was NATO countries there, if nothing chances except the government running it?? Quote
White Doors Posted February 7, 2008 Report Posted February 7, 2008 Harper better get on the phone and tell Karzai that this isn't kosher. I am a supporter of our mission there, but if this is the outcome maybe we should at least threaten to pull out. this is nuts. Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
MontyBurns Posted February 7, 2008 Report Posted February 7, 2008 It's only a feminist supporter. No big deal. Continue the mission! Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
eyeball Posted February 7, 2008 Author Report Posted February 7, 2008 It would be refreshing to see Harper put it as delicately as Monty wouldn't it? Damn that political correctness eh, it takes all the fun out of being a warhawk. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
White Doors Posted February 7, 2008 Report Posted February 7, 2008 It would be refreshing to see Harper put it as delicately as Monty wouldn't it?Damn that political correctness eh, it takes all the fun out of being a warhawk. Whatever dude. Do you even remember the last time you did not frame some information through you partisan retina? eyeball indeed. Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
eyeball Posted February 9, 2008 Author Report Posted February 9, 2008 (edited) Violations of 'Islamic teachings' take deadly toll on Iraqi womenBoldly splattered in red paint just outside the main downtown market, a chilling sign reads: "We warn against not wearing a headscarf and wearing makeup. Those who do not abide by this will be punished. God is our witness, we have notified you." The attacks on the women of Basra have intensified since British forces withdrew to their base at the airport back in September, police say. Iraqi security forces took over after British troops pulled back, but are heavily infiltrated by militias. This is what Canadians must steel themselves against because when the West does pull out of Afghanistan the same thing will happen. Of course we could stay for... well, lets just say we should seriously think about creating a new Cabinet position for a Minister of Afghanistan because we will be there for at least a couple of generations. Another option of course is to negotiate and try to secure as many protections for human rights in the deal as we can. This is what we signed on for. We bought it and we own it. Edited February 9, 2008 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
M.Dancer Posted February 11, 2008 Report Posted February 11, 2008 This is what Canadians must steel themselves against because when the West does pull out of Afghanistan the same thing will happen. Of course we could stay for... well, lets just say we should seriously think about creating a new Cabinet position for a Minister of Afghanistan because we will be there for at least a couple of generations.Another option of course is to negotiate and try to secure as many protections for human rights in the deal as we can. This is what we signed on for. We bought it and we own it. So you are saying if we pull out, non governmental forces will takje over and oppress the weak? Is this an epiphany for you? Pray tell, hopw does one negotiate with non governmental islamic extremists? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Rue Posted February 11, 2008 Report Posted February 11, 2008 I can only repeat these words from FTA again: "P.S. I don't intend this as a slight against our troops...I don't really think the original poster did either. The point is if the politicians can't do a better job of making effective change, then we're losing way too many good men and women in the pursuit of an ideal that is at best uncertain and at worst unattainable." Well said as usual FTA. Quote
eyeball Posted February 11, 2008 Author Report Posted February 11, 2008 So you are saying if we pull out, non governmental forces will takje over and oppress the weak?Is this an epiphany for you? No, I said when we leave Afghanistan conditions will be similar to Basra's now that the British have left. No epiphany required here, I'm pretty certain I told you this or something like it years ago. Pray tell, hopw does one negotiate with non governmental islamic extremists? Carefully I imagine. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
M.Dancer Posted February 11, 2008 Report Posted February 11, 2008 No, I said when we leave Afghanistan conditions will be similar to Basra's now that the British have left. No epiphany required here, I'm pretty certain I told you this or something like it years ago. I can't think of a better reason for staying then. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
eyeball Posted February 11, 2008 Author Report Posted February 11, 2008 You're prepared to stay for decades then? Good luck. By the way, when are Canadian troops being dispatched to Basra or are you suggesting we ignore our international duty to do something about that? We better re-institute the draft. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
M.Dancer Posted February 12, 2008 Report Posted February 12, 2008 You're prepared to stay for decades then? Good luck.By the way, when are Canadian troops being dispatched to Basra or are you suggesting we ignore our international duty to do something about that? We better re-institute the draft. How about either we move the strawman to a farming thread or remind me when there was a UN mission to Basra started... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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