AngusThermopyle Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 there are still business men you can shake hands with and their word means something Plenty of those kinds out here in Alberta. Just last week I had a meeting with insulation suppliers and we shook on it, even though it was a considerable sum we were talking about. Handshake sealed it, paperwork to follow. In this case I have to agree with WB, after seeing the antics and outright lies from Six Nations I wouldn't trust any of them as far as I could throw them. Not too many out here want to do buisness with Natives. Far too many instances of them burning people, contract or no contract. Considering the amount of outright theft that originates from both reserves here nobody is willing to make it easier for them to steal. Why enter into a multi million contract for a building if they're just going to screw you anyway? The shame is that there are some very good ones to work with. Honourable people who are besmirched by the reprehensible behaviour of their fellow Natives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kengs333 Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 No, that would not be good business. Anyway, time will tell if this is fact or propaganda. I live by Hamilton, ON, and I stll remember how protesters for an expressway project "salted" the site with a few arrowheads in hopes of getting it declared a historic native site to block the project. This slipped my mind, so I'll comment on it now. I don't quite recall the "salting" part, but I do remember something about a mound (or mounds) and that the City had to demonstrate that these were not constructed by Indians. The Red Hill creek was a site used by Indians for millenia, but not by (Five)Six Nations prior to the 1650s or after the early 1700s when they were driven out by the Ojibway. I actually find it kind of distasteful that Six Nations would lay claim to Red Hill considering that their ancestors exterminated the Neutrals who once utilized the the region, and this is the kind of warping of history that has caused me lose sympathy for these people. I'm all for human rights, but when people start bolstering their activist propaganda with dubious historical legitimacy, I'm not interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusThermopyle Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 I don't quite recall the "salting" part, but I do remember something about a mound (or mounds) and that the City had to demonstrate that these were not constructed by Indians. I do remember hearing something about this but the details slipped my mind. Does anyone have more information about this incident? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMouse Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Plenty of those kinds out here in Alberta. Just last week I had a meeting with insulation suppliers and we shook on it, even though it was a considerable sum we were talking about. Handshake sealed it, paperwork to follow. In this case I have to agree with WB, after seeing the antics and outright lies from Six Nations I wouldn't trust any of them as far as I could throw them.Not too many out here want to do buisness with Natives. Far too many instances of them burning people, contract or no contract. Considering the amount of outright theft that originates from both reserves here nobody is willing to make it easier for them to steal. Why enter into a multi million contract for a building if they're just going to screw you anyway? The shame is that there are some very good ones to work with. Honourable people who are besmirched by the reprehensible behaviour of their fellow Natives. I works both ways! The shame is there are good caucasians out there but the likes of you make them all look bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 I works both ways! The shame is there are good caucasians out there but the likes of you make them all look bad No one seems to get it..the native elders have finally got it..they understand that the system is corrupt - and they have decieded to follow suit. There is no big mystery about the Caladonia affair...this reminds me of when a Jane and Finch gangbanger goes to court on a gun charge and walks - HE knows the system - and feels that he is part of it..one of the boys. I swear that crimminals are released to harrass the public and break spiritual resolve in the population - it's a type of auto-pilot..let the stronger slave whip and harrass the weaker one - and let the weaker one harrass and defocus the even weaker - then the powers that be do not have to do a damn thing - the lazy clever bastards!....The great act of human maturity consists of one lesson - that the system you trusted is not trust worthy - the natives have matured - we have not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusThermopyle Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 I works both ways! The shame is there are good caucasians out there but the likes of you make them all look bad The real shame is actually those who know nothing of others but feel free to judge those people. Or the ones who are hung up on race and constantly make sweeping generalizations about others based on nothing but impressions formed through ignorance. If you did actually know anything about me you would know that I'm very equal opportunity. If a person is a worthless bum then that is what they are, race means nothing in such a context. If you had been a member any amount of time you would notice that I always try to differentiate between the good and the bad. as a result I view what you posted as worthless, this really is no surprise though since everything you've posted since you joined is prejudiced and worthless. From what I've seen so far anyone who doesn't buy into your crap is like me. Too bad, back up what you say and maybe you'll sway some opinions your way. As long as you keep posting racist biggoted unsupported crap you will not win anyones opinion. Have a nice day sonny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted July 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Just thought I'd bump this thread so we can think about what has happened! It's now almost August and we're still waiting for video and evidence that apparently would prove those thugs that beat up the old man in the house were actually only defending themselves from some "geezer ninja" who had provoked them. Also, there supposedly were at least 10 developers who cheerfully had paid the native HDI building department for the right to build on "native" property, or at least property in dispute. Has anybody seen ANY names of such developers? Has anybody seen ANY development happening? Has Caledonia successfully rebuilt the trust between the town and Six Nations that used to exist before the protests? Has Caledonia's economy recovered? Are the people happy and prosperous? There were a number of posts from SN supporters that predicted such things. I just thought we should check once in a while to see if their predictions had come true. All I've seen is the problem escalating into Brantford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Just thought I'd bump this thread so we can think about what has happened!************** Has Caledonia successfully rebuilt the trust between the town and Six Nations that used to exist before the protests? Has Caledonia's economy recovered? Are the people happy and prosperous? There were a number of posts from SN supporters that predicted such things. I just thought we should check once in a while to see if their predictions had come true. All I've seen is the problem escalating into Brantford. Quite the contrary. The FN's around the area have successfully built a prosperous economy on their own, no government subsidies, peaceful relations with all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 First Nations here are settling grievances, signing treaties, building new homes for their increasing population, starting logging companies and partnerships with others and entering into develpment agreements with mining companies. Some are thriving and some soon hope to be. Some are expecting they'll be facing blockades at some point in the not too distant future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted July 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 First Nations here are settling grievances, signing treaties, building new homes for their increasing population, starting logging companies and partnerships with others and entering into develpment agreements with mining companies. Some are thriving and some soon hope to be. Some are expecting they'll be facing blockades at some point in the not too distant future. Every FN tribe is a distinct and different entity. I am well aware that many are very self-reliant and successful. I understood this particular thread to be solely and only about Six Nations protests and what's happening at Caledonia, which appear to be quite different than what you and jbg are describing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Every FN tribe is a distinct and different entity. I am well aware that many are very self-reliant and successful.I understood this particular thread to be solely and only about Six Nations protests and what's happening at Caledonia, which appear to be quite different than what you and jbg are describing. They all are self-reliant and successful: Quite the contrary. The FN's around the area have successfully built a prosperous economy on their own, no government subsidies, peaceful relations with all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry J. Fortin Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 They are publicly funded, in an expanding budget. They ask for and receive treatment that is beyond the reach of most citizens. They have "rights" where we have only privileges. Look how many casino's exist on tax haven native reserves. Look how much tax the native population contributes and how much they take out of the system. Look at how much it costs a native for secondary education and how much it cost the other citizens. Look at the treatment of natives for loans and grants based on federal moneys compared to all other citizens. This situation is intolerable to a great many of the citizens of this nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted July 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 They all are self-reliant and successful: Quite right! I had forgotten! I tend to be too literal at times. Some of the other posters have injured my sense of humour. Where's Chauchee when you need him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusThermopyle Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 They all are self-reliant and successful: Oh how very true. They also choose to demonstrate this success with actions such as road blocks and occupations, the standard hallmark of the thought process that leads to success. Such as the recent one in Oka. You know, where they rammed police cars with trucks and set up a road block because the police had the infinite gall to arrest one of them for excessive speed and intoxication in a motor vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Oh how very true.They also choose to demonstrate this success with actions such as road blocks and occupations, the standard hallmark of the thought process that leads to success. Such as the recent one in Oka. You know, where they rammed police cars with trucks and set up a road block because the police had the infinite gall to arrest one of them for excessive speed and intoxication in a motor vehicle. Exactly as Jewish businessmen and lawyers in Toronto and New York City conduct themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Exactly as Jewish businessmen and lawyers in Toronto and New York City conduct themselves. However....the "roadblocks" are in different form.....and for some reason "roadkill" keeps coming into mind.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 (edited) Straight line ......and for some reason "roadkill" keeps coming into mind.... Punch Lines 1) Left overs? This late at night? If you have bad dreams young man.... 2) And soap comes to our minds as well 3) Don't buy the aftershave on sale at the Army Navy 4) jEWISH lAWYERS & bUSINESSmEN? Edited July 30, 2008 by M.Dancer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Straight line Punch Lines No punchlines....just that slimy streak left after the raccoon gets hit by an International and smeared by 1000 cars per hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry J. Fortin Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Drunk driving is a legal offense. That individual if caught and punished got what they deserve. Acts of road rage and violations of law should be punished as well. Criminals are those convicted of crimes and should be treated as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Drunk driving is a legal offense. That individual if caught and punished got what they deserve. Acts of road rage and violations of law should be punished as well. Criminals are those convicted of crimes and should be treated as such. That should only be the case if a white man commits the crime or injures an FN. If an FN wants to drive drunk, that is a motoring tradition going back over 600 years and should be allowed to continue unfettered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 That should only be the case if a white man commits the crime or injures an FN. If an FN wants to drive drunk, that is a motoring tradition going back over 600 years and should be allowed to continue unfettered. Actually no. Since early settlers had so contaminated their drinking water that they were drinking wine and beer in place of water - even serving to their kids. It's no wonder that the white man has no oral history. Being perpetually drunk there is no way they can remember what they even had for supper, half an hour later. Seems that tradition is protected by law, since the average white guy gets a suspended sentence for multiple convictions of drinking and driving, while the ordinary native gets thrown in jail. I realize that tradition escapes you...must be the trace alcohol in your system from generations of drunks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 I realize that tradition escapes you...must be the trace alcohol in your system from generations of drunks. Ah, personal insults. The last refuge of the loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Actually no. Since early settlers had so contaminated their drinking water that they were drinking wine and beer in place of water - even serving to their kids.Quite a novel theory. Where did you dredge that one up from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Quite a novel theory. Where did you dredge that one up from? Oral history, of course. It's the most convenient kind of record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusThermopyle Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Actually no. Since early settlers had so contaminated their drinking water that they were drinking wine and beer in place of water - even serving to their kids. Cite please. Waiting, waiting, waiting patiently...again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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