Multiculturalism, hate, and free speech

[JerrySeinfeld]

Here is a wonderful little treat from Facebook group of Ali Zee, Usher Ahmed, Super Samer, Issam Zeineddine, Khalil Jeha, Hussein Abdulbaki, Abe Rafih, Issam Khalil, and Manal Abdallah, all of Calgary

If you follow this link you can get a good idea of the kind of free speech we're trying to protect in this country.

It's an important tenet of free speech that it protect everybody - even these racist bigotted a**holes.

Perhaps if we invite discourse about this subject onto public forums like these, certain - ahem - groups of people will learn exactly what it means to live in a society free of persecution for what you say.

This is precisely why we need to extinguish the power of Human Rights Kangaroo Courts before they destroy one of our most fundamental freedoms.

[JB Globe]

See, you know you're stretching when you try to pass of the actions of less than a dozen individuals as somehow representative of a larger group.

I mean, really? . . . REALLY?

Do you have any idea how many facebook groups we could find that paint white folks in a terrible light if we wanted to use your ridiculous standards of logic?

[Michael Hardner]

You can use web forums as an example of that too.

[Moxie]

The complaintants filed the complaint on the basis that the Cartoons stirred up hatred. No they didn't but their actions since filing a Complaint with the SS HRC has certainly riled up hatred towards Jews from so called "Moderate Muslims".

Of course the Islamist are always the victim, even when they espouse hatred towards us pigs and Jews. I can only imagine MSM wailing on about the suffering of Muslims in Canada, no mention of the hatred hurled at the Jewish Community from Political Islamist and "Moderate Muslims". At least we know the truth now.

[guyser]

At least we know the truth now.

Care to tell us?

[MontyBurns]

Human Rights Courts are run by a bunch of left-wing clowns. Harper should throw these clowns to the curb where they belong.

[JerrySeinfeld]

See, you know you're stretching when you try to pass of the actions of less than a dozen individuals as somehow representative of a larger group.

I mean, really? . . . REALLY?

Do you have any idea how many facebook groups we could find that paint white folks in a terrible light if we wanted to use your ridiculous standards of logic?

This is really quite an amazing post.

I have put up a link showing a distasteful, hate-filled, anti-semitic and, frankly, disgusting bent, and the very first response is one jumping up and down crying foul? Crying "islamophobia"?

My goodness.

What about Jew-phobia? Could you at least fake some kind of concern about the jew-hating remarks on the facebook site?

This reply you have posted reminds me alot of the old saying: "Muslims caution against terrible backlash of Islamophia following tomorrows train bombings"

[Michael Hardner]

Come on, Jerry.

We wouldn't permit race baiting here to go uncommented if the targetted race were Jewish either.

Edited January 15, 2008 by Michael Hardner

[capricorn]

Here is a wonderful little treat from Facebook group of Ali Zee, Usher Ahmed, Super Samer, Issam Zeineddine, Khalil Jeha, Hussein Abdulbaki, Abe Rafih, Issam Khalil, and Manal Abdallah, all of Calgary

If you follow this link you can get a good idea of the kind of free speech we're trying to protect in this country.

The insults hurled at Mr. Levant by this facebook group are despicable and full of hatred. I read that the group originally totaled 14 but 5 bailed out when the insults against Levant accelerated. Many Levant defenders posted there but apparently the site locks them from posting any further rebuttals.

It's an important tenet of free speech that it protect everybody - even these racist bigotted a**holes.

I agree. Facebook would have more than enough reason to take down the site yet I hope they don't. It's better to have this hatred out in the open for all to see.

Perhaps if we invite discourse about this subject onto public forums like these, certain - ahem - groups of people will learn exactly what it means to live in a society free of persecution for what you say.

I agree. Let them spew their venom. They obviously need an outlet for their frustrations and our right to free speech provides them a vehicle. This group probably feels empowered by insulting Levant so openly and the more reaction they get the mightier they feel. Perhaps once they realize that no one will take the bait and initiate some type of action against them, they will lose that empowerment and will finally shut up. Given Levant's views on free speech, I don't see Levant taking any action against this facebook site.

This is precisely why we need to extinguish the power of Human Rights Kangaroo Courts before they destroy one of our most fundamental freedoms.

Levant wrote a great article on censorship last December 17. He addresses this exact point, i.e. how Human Rights Commissions have gone off the rails. It is a must read.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/f...man-rights.aspx

[August1991]

Levant wrote a great article on censorship last December 17. He addresses this exact point, i.e. how Human Rights Commissions have gone off the rails. It is a must read.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/f...man-rights.aspx

There's a good quote from that piece:

Human rights commissions are a relatively new creation, formed in the 1960s and 1970s for political reasons, not legal reasons. The main issues that these commissions were created to address — such as racial discrimination in rental housing and employment — were already covered by established landlord-and-tenant law, as well as labour and employment law. The commissions were supposed to be an informal, sympathetic forum for vulnerable people who needed extra help; and commissions were limited to dispensing a few thousand dollars. It was like small claims court for minorities; a shield to help them against the sword of discrimination.

Few human rights complaints still fall into those categories. A quick canvass of Alberta’s cases over the past few years, for example, reveals not a single complaint from someone denied rental housing based on race. The most common cases seem to be employees quitting over squabbles with other staff — a female back-hoe operator claimed her rights as a woman were violated for being called “honey” and other locker-room talk on a construction site; a male hair stylist claimed his rights were violated because the girls at salon school called him a “loser.” Another common complaint is sick or injured people being dismissed for not being able to do their jobs anymore, claiming that they have a “human right” not to be fired. In 2004, Albert’s Family Restaurant in Red Deer was ordered to pay $4,900 to a kitchen manager who was fired because she had contagious Hepatitis-C — illegal discrimination based on disability, said the commission.

Most cases are not about real rights, and the rulings are wildly inconsistent. The commissions have become a whimsical tax-man, where businesses are charged a few thousand dollars for making the mistake of hiring thin-skinned employees. For most companies, it’s not even worth paying a lawyer to contest the complaint, other than on principle.

Given their caseload and the way they choose to accept to judge some cases and refuse others, the Human Rights Commissions in Canada have become arbitrary. They wouldn't withstand their own judgment.

[DogOnPorch]

The following is excerpted from Ezra Levant's opening remarks to the Alberta Human Rights Commission Interrogation in Calgary on Jan. 11, 2008.

My name is Ezra Levant. Before this government interrogation begins, I will make a statement. When the Western Standard magazine printed the Danish cartoons of Mohammed two years ago, I was the publisher. It was the proudest moment of my public life. I would do it again today. In fact, I did do it again today.

The rest.....(National Post)

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Enie Meenie Minie Mo, Catch A _________ By The Toe

[JerrySeinfeld]

See, you know you're stretching when you try to pass of the actions of less than a dozen individuals as somehow representative of a larger group.

I mean, really? . . . REALLY?

Do you have any idea how many facebook groups we could find that paint white folks in a terrible light if we wanted to use your ridiculous standards of logic?

Yes - judging by the names listed, this group represents a - ahem - what's the catchphrase? "broad strata" of society.

Edited January 15, 2008 by JerrySeinfeld

[jbg]

It's an important tenet of free speech that it protect everybody - even these racist bigotted a**holes.

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This is precisely why we need to extinguish the power of Human Rights Kangaroo Courts before they destroy one of our most fundamental freedoms.

Hopefully the HRC wars with Levant and Steyn/Macleans will be the crucible that establishes Canada's identity as a truly free country, the way that the Magna Carta and Glorious Revolution established Britain's path, and the U.S.'s birthing pains at the Constitutional Convention and the Civil War did for the US.

[White Doors]

Yes - judging by the names listed, this group represents a - ahem - what's the catchphrase? "broad strata" of society.

"Disgruntled youths"

[Moxie]

Let them rail and rant and yes dare I say spew forth their hatred, it's societies role to decide what isn't acceptable not the HRC. As a member of society I deem these vermin hateful thugs and some day when they grow up and apply for jobs their actions vis vie facebook will come back to haunt them. A google search will bring up dozens of forums who posted their words where they are being lambasted, would any sane employer want any of these young men to work for them? Society has already judge their words, no need for a HRC tribunal.

Let free speech reign, and yes even hateful speech is acceptable if no violence is envoked.

[JB Globe]

I have put up a link showing a distasteful, hate-filled, anti-semitic and, frankly, disgusting bent, and the very first response is one jumping up and down crying foul? Crying "islamophobia"?

Stop lying. I made absolutely no claim that this is a case of Islamophobia. Here is my post you are referring to:

"See, you know you're stretching when you try to pass of the actions of less than a dozen individuals as somehow representative of a larger group.

I mean, really? . . . REALLY?

Do you have any idea how many facebook groups we could find that paint white folks in a terrible light if we wanted to use your ridiculous standards of logic?"

^^^^

Where did I say anything about Islamophobia? Where? Show me? You said it, now quote me.

Otherwise stop putting words in my mouth, that's the hallmark of someone who doesn't have an argument to stand on.

Let me repeat my problem with your post: You are attempting to use the actions of less than INDIVIDUALS to say that these actions are representative OF THE CANADIAN MUSLIM COMMUNITY IN GENERAL.

You could easily do the same damn thing with other groups, and I am willing to be money that if you looked long enough you could find anti-semitic Facebook groups by Christian kids or atheist kids.

I added the caps because apparently your reading comprehension skills are in the toilet.

What about Jew-phobia? Could you at least fake some kind of concern about the jew-hating remarks on the facebook site?

I'm no more concerned about a handful of Muslim teenagers being anti-semetic than I am about a handful of Christian or atheist teenagers being anti-semitic. It's a problem, and it needs to be dealt with, but it is a problem which affects involves a tiny minority of people.

[JB Globe]

I have put up a link showing a distasteful, hate-filled, anti-semitic and, frankly, disgusting bent, and the very first response is one jumping up and down crying foul? Crying "islamophobia"?

Stop lying. I made absolutely no claim that this is a case of Islamophobia. Here is my post you are referring to:

"See, you know you're stretching when you try to pass of the actions of less than a dozen individuals as somehow representative of a larger group.

I mean, really? . . . REALLY?

Do you have any idea how many facebook groups we could find that paint white folks in a terrible light if we wanted to use your ridiculous standards of logic?"

^^^^

Where did I say anything about Islamophobia? Where? Show me? You said it, now quote me.

Otherwise stop putting words in my mouth, that's the hallmark of someone who doesn't have an argument to stand on.

Let me repeat my problem with your post: You are attempting to use the actions of less than INDIVIDUALS to say that these actions are representative OF THE CANADIAN MUSLIM COMMUNITY IN GENERAL.

You could easily do the same damn thing with other groups, and I am willing to be money that if you looked long enough you could find anti-semitic Facebook groups by Christian kids or atheist kids.

I added the caps because apparently your reading comprehension skills are in the toilet.

What about Jew-phobia? Could you at least fake some kind of concern about the jew-hating remarks on the facebook site?

I'm no more concerned about a handful of Muslim teenagers being anti-semetic than I am about a handful of Christian or atheist teenagers being anti-semitic. It's a problem, and it needs to be dealt with, but it is a problem which affects involves a tiny minority of people.