Wilber Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 So what? All the united states had to do was alot some of its naval resources to combatting the U-Boats. They didn't have to get involved the way they did. But they didn't did they? They made the European war the number one priority even though they were attacked by Japan. They understood that Hitler was the more dangerous enemy and acted accordingly. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 Actually it started July 1st, 1916. Verdun in February of 1916. ----------------------------- Hence the Newfoundland dilemma. Canada Day or Beaumont Hamel Day? One of the main reasons for the Somme offensive was to take some pressure off the French at Verdun. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 But they didn't did they? They made the European war the number one priority even though they were attacked by Japan. They understood that Hitler was the more dangerous enemy and acted accordingly. Especially after Midway. -------------------------- In the first six to twelve months of a war with the United States and Great Britain I will run wild and win victory upon victory. But then, if the war continues after that, I have no expectation of success. ---Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 (edited) Hence the Newfoundland dilemma. Canada Day or Beaumont Hamel Day? One of the main reasons for the Somme offensive was to take some pressure off the French at Verdun. Agreed. The really sad thing about the Newfoundlanders was that many were machine gunned from a great distance by the Germans while they were forced to remain in the open waiting to be called in as reserves. They died in rows pretty much like at Waterloo. -------------------------------------------------------- I don't know what effect these men will have on the enemy, but by God, they terrify me. ---Arthur Wellesley (Wellington) re: Irish Guard Edited January 17, 2008 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kengs333 Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Posted January 17, 2008 But they didn't did they? They made the European war the number one priority even though they were attacked by Japan. They understood that Hitler was the more dangerous enemy and acted accordingly. So much of a danger that they sat around for 2+ years twidling their thumbs and making the odd secret deal with the British in order to expand their own network of international military bases. In other words, they exploited Britain's desperate position to continue building the foundations to their own empire. Very impressive. Quote
kengs333 Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Posted January 17, 2008 Actually it started July 1st, 1916. Verdun in February of 1916. Incorrect. The battle started on June 24. Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 the battle started July 1st and was preceded by days of artillery bombardments. Canadians didn't join the battle till late August. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 Oh...you're counting the bombardment as opposed to 'over the top'? Fine...late June. --------------------------------- Now, Doc...let's not start splitting hares. ---Buggs Bunny Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 So much of a danger that they sat around for 2+ years twidling their thumbs and making the odd secret deal with the British in order to expand their own network of international military bases. In other words, they exploited Britain's desperate position to continue building the foundations to their own empire. Very impressive. I'm sure you're aware of the many forces at work inside the United States both pro and anti war. Pro German...anti German...etc, etc. It's very much a shade of grey rather than black or white. ------------------------------------------ I believe that in every country the people themselves are more peaceably and liberally inclined than their governments. ---President Franklin D. Roosevelt Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 The Somme was fought in June 1916, most of the American units first saw combat TWO years later; that's two years to learn from mistakes like that made at the Somme, and to incorporate other knowledge about battlefield tactics. That just common sense. This doesn't make any common sense....the Canadians continued to die with such tactics long after June 1916. Who should have learned first if that be the objective of lessons learned? Of course they don't mean anything because if they did--which they should--you wouldn't have an argument. From a country of 8 million, were have 600,000+ men in uniform, of whom 66,000 died. Given that Canada's population was 1/10 that of the United States, that's the equivalent of 6.6 million men in uniform, with 660,000 dying. Sorry, but you can't win a penis measuring contest based on proportions. Well, Canadian soldiers were in action by March 1915 (earlier if you count the PPCLI) and fought in a number of battles prior to the arrival of the flu. So, yes, a much greater proportion of the casualties were sustained in combat rather than to disease. You mean the Canadians (and Newfoundlanders) were in theatre much longer than the Americans but sustained fewer casualties...you know...being all that elite and a bag of chips. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 I'm sure you're aware of the many forces at work inside the United States both pro and anti war. Pro German...anti German...etc, etc. It's very much a shade of grey rather than black or white. True...the Americans could have joined Germany! Nothing holy about the British Empire after what the 'Merkins had been through with those bastards over the years. Bases and cash were just for openers. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 Agreed. The really sad thing about the Newfoundlanders was that many were machine gunned from a great distance by the Germans while they were forced to remain in the open waiting to be called in as reserves. They died in rows pretty much like at Waterloo.-------------------------------------------------------- I don't know what effect these men will have on the enemy, but by God, they terrify me. ---Arthur Wellesley (Wellington) re: Irish Guard Cept it was the French who died at Waterloo. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 True...the Americans could have joined Germany! Nothing holy about the British Empire after what the 'Merkins had been through with those bastards over the years. Bases and cash were just for openers. No way. Whether you like to admit it or not you have more in common with the Brits than any other European country. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
M.Dancer Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 No way. Whether you like to admit it or not you have more in common with the Brits than any other European country. They are also like the French and Albanians.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 Cept it was the French who died at Waterloo. There was a lot of mayhem at Waterloo. But the Imperial Guard's rows of dead were neater than the rest. -------------------------------------------- Waterloo is a battle of the first rank won by a captain of the second. ---Victor Hugo Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 No way. Whether you like to admit it or not you have more in common with the Brits than any other European country. Including several wars against the British! WW1 cost a lot of lives only to be rewarded with an even bigger European disaster. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 They are also like the French and Albanians.... But they don't like the French and Albanians. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 Including several wars against the British! WW1 cost a lot of lives only to be rewarded with an even bigger European disaster. Lifes a bitch. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 (edited) There was a lot of mayhem at Waterloo. But the Imperial Guard's rows of dead were neater than the rest.-------------------------------------------- Waterloo is a battle of the first rank won by a captain of the second. ---Victor Hugo The French fought in column, not lines. Their piles were higher. Or is that larger? Edited January 17, 2008 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
M.Dancer Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 The French fought in column, not lines. Their piles were higher. Or is that larger? Semantics. In the end, the column turned and presented itself to fire and offered as many muskets as could bear. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 But they don't like the French and Albanians. Doesn't matter...they aspire to french arrogance and albanian healthcare.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 Lifes a bitch. OK...but then you die. America had no real beef with Germany until the Lusitania sinking and Zimmerman telegram. Wilson had to save himself from a failed policy with Mexico, and American banks had financed the French and British far more than the Germans. Next time, I say we back Germany just to change things up a bit. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 (edited) Semantics. In the end, the column turned and presented itself to fire and offered as many muskets as could bear. Not if you were in the front row. It also made them more vulnerable to artillery. One shot could take out a whole bunch. Lines could advance and fire at the same time while presenting a more spread out target but they were more vulnerable to cavalry. Or is it the other way around. Edited January 17, 2008 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 Doesn't matter...they aspire to french arrogance and albanian healthcare.... Tall order. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
jbg Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 The who is "the idiot proven here"?Unless you're either paranoid or an idiot why would you be concerned? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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