Drug Testing in Schools - Thoughts?

[Community Advocate]

School to start drug testing

Participation of Green Valley High athletes required

By LISA KIM BACH

REVIEW-JOURNAL

Jeff Horn

High school principal wants to help students make "positive and productive choices"

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http://www.lvrj.com/news/13672452.html

Edited January 11, 2008 by Charles Anthony
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[BubberMiley]

Mmmmm...black tar heroin. When my cancers go terminal, just send me off in style.

[eyeball]

School to start drug testing

Participation of Green Valley High athletes required

To be fair, I think these kids coaches, teachers and parents should show some solidarity, support and set a good example and join them. You'd think if the state was really truly serious about winning the war on drugs it would be attacking the demand side by making drug testing mandatory for everyone...if it was serious that is.

You're either with us or against us right, what have you got to hide?

[Oleg Bach]

To be fair, I think these kids coaches, teachers and parents should show some solidarity, support and set a good example and join them. You'd think if the state was really truly serious about winning the war on drugs it would be attacking the demand side by making drug testing mandatory for everyone...if it was serious that is.

You're either with us or against us right, what have you got to hide?

First lets test every politician, every judge, every lawyer, every cop, every doctor to see what kind of dope they are on - nothing worse than dealing with so person all hopped up on pharma product that removes guilt and remorse and clouds the moral compass, making it impossible to set a good course of action. Nothing sadder than wondering why a judge fails to be reasonalbe - nothing worse than Prozac or Lorazapam coarsing through ones system and altering the brain chemistry inducing side effects that we have no idea what they truely are - I SAY TEST EVERYONE FOR STREET AND CORPORATE COMPOUNDS PERSCRIBED BY THOSE HENCHMEN FOR BIG PHARMA...

We live in a society of chemically engineered humans....that are not human fully - this is a major problem that is never addressed. Perhaps half the worlds problems are a result of altering human consciouness..removing by accident the more devine part of human nature...test everyone and make it public what they are on - if they are not ashamed and have nothing to hide..then all should be in agreement - Do you think Cheney and Bush are altered? Damn right they are!

[M.Dancer]

First off, this is an american story about education in Canadian federal politics. Last I heard education in Canada is a provincial responsibility.

I don't see a particular problem with testing kids with behavior problem as long as the parents permit.

[Rue]

First off, this is an american story about education in Canadian federal politics. Last I heard education in Canada is a provincial responsibility.

I don't see a particular problem with testing kids with behavior problem as long as the parents permit.

Then what? Youd on't need to do testing to know now that in high schools students are able to get their hands on any drug they want and teachers know who the stoners are, who is on crack, etc. They aint stupid. So you test them. Now you know the obvious, this one smokes dope, this one is doing some smack, this one is on steroids, this one does Ectasy, this one likes amphetamines, so now what?

You want to expel them? See you have to think through the policy and ask what is the point of the drug testing-what do you want to do with the drug report? Jail people? Rehab. them? Let them stay at home and miss school so they can get into even more trouble? What?

To me we don't need drug testing to state what is obvious. What we need to work on is ways to get guns out of schools and ways to get young Canadians to channel their energy into positive alternatives so they don't feel drugs is their only option.

Someone who feels positive about themselves and in control of their life is less likely to lean to drugs as an escape hatch and crutch.

[M.Dancer]

Then what? Youd on't need to do testing to know now that in high schools students are able to get their hands on any drug they want and teachers know who the stoners are, who is on crack, etc. They aint stupid. So you test them. Now you know the obvious, this one smokes dope, this one is doing some smack, this one is on steroids, this one does Ectasy, this one likes amphetamines, so now what?

You want to expel them? See you have to think through the policy and ask what is the point of the drug testing-what do you want to do with the drug report? Jail people? Rehab. them? Let them stay at home and miss school so they can get into even more trouble? What?

To me we don't need drug testing to state what is obvious. What we need to work on is ways to get guns out of schools and ways to get young Canadians to channel their energy into positive alternatives so they don't feel drugs is their only option.

Someone who feels positive about themselves and in control of their life is less likely to lean to drugs as an escape hatch and crutch.

It's often the parents who are the last to know. What is to be done afterwards should be up to the parents.

[Wild Bill]

Then what? Youd on't need to do testing to know now that in high schools students are able to get their hands on any drug they want and teachers know who the stoners are, who is on crack, etc. They aint stupid. So you test them. Now you know the obvious, this one smokes dope, this one is doing some smack, this one is on steroids, this one does Ectasy, this one likes amphetamines, so now what?

You want to expel them? See you have to think through the policy and ask what is the point of the drug testing-what do you want to do with the drug report? Jail people? Rehab. them? Let them stay at home and miss school so they can get into even more trouble? What?

To me we don't need drug testing to state what is obvious. What we need to work on is ways to get guns out of schools and ways to get young Canadians to channel their energy into positive alternatives so they don't feel drugs is their only option.

Someone who feels positive about themselves and in control of their life is less likely to lean to drugs as an escape hatch and crutch.

+1, Rue! What do these folks think will happen? The "outed" students will immediately hang their heads in shame and reform?

Even telling the parents won't likely help. It seems most times the parents either don't know or don't care. Perhaps they are doing drugs themselves. Perhaps they simply are ineffective parents! What effective measures are they likely to take at this point?

Besides, these approaches tend to degenerate into "reefer madness", being promoted by people ignorant of the different effects of different drugs. The testing tends to be broad-brush, identifying any and all drugs in someone's system. The assumption is that the young teen who smokes a joint or two at a party a few times a month is equivalent to a crackhead.

The problem is really not that some school kids are doing drugs. That's been going on since the 60's or even earlier if you consider alcohol. The problem is bad behaviour. It's a fallacy to think that the simple use of drugs rots their minds into instantly showing behaviour problems. The kids who exhibit bad and violent behavior would likely act no differently if they were totally straight! They are delinquents who happen to do drugs, not angels made into delinquents by the use of drugs.

Sadly, too often today we tend to "touchy-feely" approaches to discipline problems in our schools. These tend to only be effective in textbooks. Teachers have been severely limited in how they can respond to bad behaviour. Not surprising, with no check or balance the bad behaviour becomes more prevalent! No one wants to admit to this. The Emperor has no clothes, after all. So the bad behaviour runs amok but few are willing to talk about it.

[Oleg Bach]

+1, Rue! What do these folks think will happen? The "outed" students will immediately hang their heads in shame and reform?

Even telling the parents won't likely help. It seems most times the parents either don't know or don't care. Perhaps they are doing drugs themselves. Perhaps they simply are ineffective parents! What effective measures are they likely to take at this point?

Besides, these approaches tend to degenerate into "reefer madness", being promoted by people ignorant of the different effects of different drugs. The testing tends to be broad-brush, identifying any and all drugs in someone's system. The assumption is that the young teen who smokes a joint or two at a party a few times a month is equivalent to a crackhead.

The problem is really not that some school kids are doing drugs. That's been going on since the 60's or even earlier if you consider alcohol. The problem is bad behaviour. It's a fallacy to think that the simple use of drugs rots their minds into instantly showing behaviour problems. The kids who exhibit bad and violent behavior would likely act no differently if they were totally straight! They are delinquents who happen to do drugs, not angels made into delinquents by the use of drugs.

Sadly, too often today we tend to "touchy-feely" approaches to discipline problems in our schools. These tend to only be effective in textbooks. Teachers have been severely limited in how they can respond to bad behaviour. Not surprising, with no check or balance the bad behaviour becomes more prevalent! No one wants to admit to this. The Emperor has no clothes, after all. So the bad behaviour runs amok but few are willing to talk about it.

If they test a kid for pot and find that he or she is after questioning following a positive results- a habitual pot smoker or coke sniffer....what do you think the next step will be? Knowing the system..the kid would be force to get councelling and see a "doctor"..the "doctor" would perscribe some sort of "nice compound" - usually an anti-depressant and NOW the kid is off street drug and offically the ward of big pharma - who the corportations hope will consume their product instead of the street variety - This is all this is about - the big boys in big pharma and their friends are really jealous of the crack industry and the pot industry. Seem that tobacco is not enough - or booze sales are not enough...for the condoners and profiteers that thrive on the addiction of the people..If there is a big push for testing - there will be money made on millions of test kits - then money made as they switch the kids over to "legitimate" dope..

[DrGreenthumb]

If they test a kid for pot and find that he or she is after questioning following a positive results- a habitual pot smoker or coke sniffer....what do you think the next step will be? Knowing the system..the kid would be force to get councelling and see a "doctor"..the "doctor" would perscribe some sort of "nice compound" - usually an anti-depressant and NOW the kid is off street drug and offically the ward of big pharma - who the corportations hope will consume their product instead of the street variety - This is all this is about - the big boys in big pharma and their friends are really jealous of the crack industry and the pot industry. Seem that tobacco is not enough - or booze sales are not enough...for the condoners and profiteers that thrive on the addiction of the people..If there is a big push for testing - there will be money made on millions of test kits - then money made as they switch the kids over to "legitimate" dope..

You have pretty much nailed it there Oleg. Most of these "anti-drug" crusaders are really not anti-drug at all. They make money off the prohibition of plant based medicines. Cannabis is an extremely useful medicinal herb that anyone can produce themselves for FREE. That is why conservatives and pharma companies hate it so much. It is FREE MEDICINE given to mankind by the creator. The same people who get their panties in a bunch over the fact that some teenagers are smoking the odd joint to help them deal with stress and anxiety that is a huge part of being an adolescent, are the first to push pharma drugs on our children. These people seem to think its just fine to put kids as young as 5 years old on ritalin(pharma speed), and every teenager on some form of anti-depressant or another. These anti-depressants are mind altering drugs, and far more untested and dangerous than Cannabis use ever could be. The teachers are not allowed to physically discipline anyone anymore so now they push to have any child who doesn't sit in their desk staring straight forward, chemically restrained with the use of pharmaceutical poisons. It makes me sick. If my kid's school ever tried to do any kind of drug testing on one of my kids I would fight them tooth and nail, even though my kids are completely clean. If the option was open I would sue their asses off for invasion of privacy.

It is no coincidence that our Health minister, who is heavily invested in pharmaceutical companies wants to keep the prohibition of his plant based competition in place.

[Oleg Bach]

You have pretty much nailed it there Oleg. Most of these "anti-drug" crusaders are really not anti-drug at all. They make money off the prohibition of plant based medicines. Cannabis is an extremely useful medicinal herb that anyone can produce themselves for FREE. That is why conservatives and pharma companies hate it so much. It is FREE MEDICINE given to mankind by the creator. The same people who get their panties in a bunch over the fact that some teenagers are smoking the odd joint to help them deal with stress and anxiety that is a huge part of being an adolescent, are the first to push pharma drugs on our children. These people seem to think its just fine to put kids as young as 5 years old on ritalin(pharma speed), and every teenager on some form of anti-depressant or another. These anti-depressants are mind altering drugs, and far more untested and dangerous than Cannabis use ever could be. The teachers are not allowed to physically discipline anyone anymore so now they push to have any child who doesn't sit in their desk staring straight forward, chemically restrained with the use of pharmaceutical poisons. It makes me sick. If my kid's school ever tried to do any kind of drug testing on one of my kids I would fight them tooth and nail, even though my kids are completely clean. If the option was open I would sue their asses off for invasion of privacy.

It is no coincidence that our Health minister, who is heavily invested in pharmaceutical companies wants to keep the prohibition of his plant based competition in place.

Yes lovingly grown pot is fine - but now with the coast to coast cloneing from one greed engineered super strain...I hate to say buddy - but the pot is not pot - it is so strong that the buds contain crystals...plus it is not grown in sun light - nor is it watered in a natural manner - used to be folks could smoke and walk away and not smoke for days or weaks...now I see people who are actually addicted to it as if it was opium....sorry to break it to you my friend - but the greedsters have destroyed the herb and replaced it with poison....BUT if you can still find the odd Mexican seed and grow a plant out in the sun - all the power to you - and it is good for you on occassion mixed with a bit of gin.....I almost never use the stuff anymore - don't need it - and I dispise the habitual users who make themselves ill with pot...it is such and adulterated plant now that it enduces mental illness...so I agree with you in part - I HATE THE STUFF....and I was a big users as a kid.

[guyser]

Dont agree with it at all.

Intrusive, used for political reasons , results abused by admins , the list goes on.

So many times I hear that parents need to suck it up and parent, especially heard in the US, and yet, so many admins want to check for this check for that.

Edit to add...This is what PO's me the most......

The test also might be used to identify steroid use.

Yea...just might be. This means if Susie and Johnny are #1 in their state and test positive for steroids...well, we can keep that quiet since our funding is improved by a #1 ranking.

But god forbid the water boy on the Bball team went to a raucus party where there was mary jane smoke in the air and he is asked for a test Monday morning. He gets sacked , even though he pleads he NEVER smoked it since junior high , if ever.

Edited January 11, 2008 by guyser

[Oleg Bach]

Dont agree with it at all.

Intrusive, used for political reasons , results abused by admins , the list goes on.

So many times I hear that parents need to suck it up and parent, especially heard in the US, and yet, so many admins want to check for this check for that.

The more power the state has over our children the less our families belong to us. With family under constant attack by the utilitarians - it's best to maintain as much privacy as possible - once the utlitarians see one weakness in the family - be it some pot in the kids blood stream - they will attack - why allow it? Why give up your familar control to the state - the state does not love your children - only you love and protect your children - what is in your blood or your kids blood is private - besides - what's next? Blood testing for the "God gene" by atheist administrators that might in time genocide believers? There is no such thing as non-intrusive testing - all testing is intrusive...they have to enter your body to get what they want - we bend over enough already to please the power mongers.

[DrGreenthumb]

Yes lovingly grown pot is fine - but now with the coast to coast cloneing from one greed engineered super strain...I hate to say buddy - but the pot is not pot - it is so strong that the buds contain crystals...plus it is not grown in sun light - nor is it watered in a natural manner - used to be folks could smoke and walk away and not smoke for days or weaks...now I see people who are actually addicted to it as if it was opium....sorry to break it to you my friend - but the greedsters have destroyed the herb and replaced it with poison....BUT if you can still find the odd Mexican seed and grow a plant out in the sun - all the power to you - and it is good for you on occassion mixed with a bit of gin.....I almost never use the stuff anymore - don't need it - and I dispise the habitual users who make themselves ill with pot...it is such and adulterated plant now that it enduces mental illness...so I agree with you in part - I HATE THE STUFF....and I was a big users as a kid.

you went from a really good post to this drivel? I would not expect you to buy the government's reefermadness hogwash about pot Oleg. There are literally thousands of strains available now of all different potency levels, and medicinal qualities. The only thing more potent pot means is that you have to smoke LESS OF IT. The more crystally pot is the better it is. There is no genetic modification done, just natural selection of desireable properties from different strains. These "good" qualities are often cross bred into other strains by taking pollen from a male and putting it near a female. 1 joint of about a half gram is enough to share with 3 or 4 friends. The pot is generally better because it is grown indoors and every day in its grow cycle is sunny and warm. If you take one of those "superclones" you describe and grow it under natural sunlight, and natural weather varients you will get that same old mexican crappy pot that you miss from the old days. Trust me, I wouldn't lie to you. When I grow an ak47 Cannabis Sativa in my basement, it comes out very potent and crystally, meanwhile a clone off the same mother plant grown outdoors in the summer has barely any crystal and I would need to smoke about a quarter ounce before it had any effect. That is why most outdoor herb these days is made into hash or oil before it gets used. As for the mental health link, that is just bad science, correlation does not equal causation, many prominent doctors hypothesize that the link is only there at all because people prone to mental health problems often try to self medicate with pot. Saying that pot causes schizophrenia would be kind of like saying that chemotherapy causes cancer, because a high percentage of people with Cancer have used chemotherapy.

One could similarly conclude that isulin use causes diabetes.

Just wanted to add one more thing to the botany 101 class. The "crystals" you refer to are the active medicinal ingredient in raw cannabis. The plant produces these "crystals" as well as essential oils to protect the leaves from drying out in times of LOW HUMIDITY and intense sunlight. This is also why no properly operated cannabis garden will produce mold or damage a house from high humidity levels. LOW HUMIDITY is required to produce high quality pot.

Edited January 11, 2008 by DrGreenthumb

[Pliny]

Drug testing? Sounds good. God forbid they start testing for literacy.

[Drea]

Someone who feels positive about themselves and in control of their life is less likely to lean to drugs as an escape hatch and crutch.

For teens trying drugs isn't about "self medicating" or "an escape". It's about FUN!

It's pure fun to get all f**ked up!

That's why I like shrooms (been years and years and years since I had any) because one gets utterly messed up (make sure you are somewhere safe!).

I did acid once. Half a hit. It was sooo fun. My g/friend and I were safely in my apt. We stayed up all night laughing our faces off at simple things... like the word "the"... would send us into a fit of giggles.

I would do it again in a heartbeat, just that I'm so old now I have no idea where to get "safe" stuff from.

[DrGreenthumb]

For teens trying drugs isn't about "self medicating" or "an escape". It's about FUN!

It's pure fun to get all f**ked up!

That's why I like shrooms (been years and years and years since I had any) because one gets utterly messed up (make sure you are somewhere safe!).

I did acid once. Half a hit. It was sooo fun. My g/friend and I were safely in my apt. We stayed up all night laughing our faces off at simple things... like the word "the"... would send us into a fit of giggles.

I would do it again in a heartbeat, just that I'm so old now I have no idea where to get "safe" stuff from.

Yes sounds like a lot of fun, and since you seem to have survived it without hurting yourself or anyone else, i say you should have every right to have your fun, and it is none of the state's beezwax. Another main reason why kids use drugs is BECAUSE they are not allowed to. The more forbidden a fruit, the sweeter its flesh will taste.

[Who's Doing What?]

Yes lovingly grown pot is fine - but now with the coast to coast cloneing from one greed engineered super strain...I hate to say buddy - but the pot is not pot - it is so strong that the buds contain crystals...plus it is not grown in sun light - nor is it watered in a natural manner - used to be folks could smoke and walk away and not smoke for days or weaks...now I see people who are actually addicted to it as if it was opium....sorry to break it to you my friend - but the greedsters have destroyed the herb and replaced it with poison....BUT if you can still find the odd Mexican seed and grow a plant out in the sun - all the power to you - and it is good for you on occassion mixed with a bit of gin.....I almost never use the stuff anymore - don't need it - and I dispise the habitual users who make themselves ill with pot...it is such and adulterated plant now that it enduces mental illness...so I agree with you in part - I HATE THE STUFF....and I was a big users as a kid.

So now pot is too powerful?

Funny, cause most of the highest potency strains have been around since the 70's. There is just more of it.

If you don't know the difference between Opiate addiction which is physical and a psychological addiction like pot you are going to have trouble convincing any knowledgable person of your position.

Ever see a pot smoker puke and crap and and halucinate when they stopped using for a few months? No.

Whereas I've seen people who had serious sickness from prescribed opiate painkillers after only using them for a week. Big difference.

As for the mental illness, if it wasn't already there the pot didn't cause it. If pot was directly responsible for inducing mental illness then half the country would locked up in a looney bin. As for adulterated, pot is less adulterated than the grain that is used to make your bread today.

[Who's Doing What?]

you went from a really good post to this drivel? I would not expect you to buy the government's reefermadness hogwash about pot Oleg. There are literally thousands of strains available now of all different potency levels, and medicinal qualities. The only thing more potent pot means is that you have to smoke LESS OF IT. The more crystally pot is the better it is. There is no genetic modification done, just natural selection of desireable properties from different strains. These "good" qualities are often cross bred into other strains by taking pollen from a male and putting it near a female. 1 joint of about a half gram is enough to share with 3 or 4 friends. The pot is generally better because it is grown indoors and every day in its grow cycle is sunny and warm. If you take one of those "superclones" you describe and grow it under natural sunlight, and natural weather varients you will get that same old mexican crappy pot that you miss from the old days. Trust me, I wouldn't lie to you. When I grow an ak47 Cannabis Sativa in my basement, it comes out very potent and crystally, meanwhile a clone off the same mother plant grown outdoors in the summer has barely any crystal and I would need to smoke about a quarter ounce before it had any effect. That is why most outdoor herb these days is made into hash or oil before it gets used. As for the mental health link, that is just bad science, correlation does not equal causation, many prominent doctors hypothesize that the link is only there at all because people prone to mental health problems often try to self medicate with pot. Saying that pot causes schizophrenia would be kind of like saying that chemotherapy causes cancer, because a high percentage of people with Cancer have used chemotherapy.

One could similarly conclude that isulin use causes diabetes.

Just wanted to add one more thing to the botany 101 class. The "crystals" you refer to are the active medicinal ingredient in raw cannabis. The plant produces these "crystals" as well as essential oils to protect the leaves from drying out in times of LOW HUMIDITY and intense sunlight. This is also why no properly operated cannabis garden will produce mold or damage a house from high humidity levels. LOW HUMIDITY is required to produce high quality pot.

First off if you grow a clone outdoors that was from a plant grown indoors you will get the same pot.

If you got crap from your outdoor you harvested too early, or had poor growth conditions.

[Who's Doing What?]

Drug testing in school?

That has been going on for years.

When I was in school kids tested all kinds of drugs.

[Moxie]

I would think it be a violation of their Charter of Rights to drug test minors without parental consent. Drugs have been in schools since drugs started being manufactured, back in the "Olden Days" when I was in collage one wing of the school was for drug use and smokers. These people smoked their pot and did what ever one does with hash oil and went on about their day. On a side note the cafetaria did a booming business as a result of that wing's activity.

The more we stigmatize drugs the more appealing it is to our youth, open and honest dialog is the only way to combat our youth abusing drugs. A trip to the morgue would do wonders for young people who are doing hard drugs like Crack or Coke, it might scare them to get clean. I doubt it though.

[Community Advocate]

It's often the parents who are the last to know. What is to be done afterwards should be up to the parents.

Yep. should be. but there's nothing a parent can do. From the age of 12, and before, our kids in Canada fall under the Federal Privacy Act. Section 8 (2) forbids you from obtaining any information about your own child's medical or criminal status.

And, when you know they are using, you'll be laughed at when you reach out for help. And when you know they are addicted, they will tell you there is nothing you can do - you can not mandate treatment for your own child addicted to drugs, unless you live in Alberta. Saskatchewan and Manitoba have laws that can be accessed, but they are much more difficult to get through.

So, even if the parents are the last to know, when they find out, there is nothing they can do short of selling the Playstation game they planned to give their kid for Christmas, or sellign the car they bought for their kid after they've found booze in the front seat.

If you have a kid using drugs, you don't approve, the advice you will get from all the professionals, including RCMP, Ministry for Children and Families, Mental health workers, counsellors, school staff, and al the rest is:

"kick'em out!".

Then, they find out there are no resources for them.

ETA: Another issue is that if a kid goes to the school counsellor to disclose drug use and the problems its causing them, the child's right to privacy supercedes the parents' right to know. They call it 'confidentiality'.

Edited January 17, 2008 by Community Advocate

[Community Advocate]

For teens trying drugs isn't about "self medicating" or "an escape". It's about FUN!

It's pure fun to get all f**ked up!

That's why I like shrooms (been years and years and years since I had any) because one gets utterly messed up (make sure you are somewhere safe!).

I did acid once. Half a hit. It was sooo fun. My g/friend and I were safely in my apt. We stayed up all night laughing our faces off at simple things... like the word "the"... would send us into a fit of giggles.

I would do it again in a heartbeat, just that I'm so old now I have no idea where to get "safe" stuff from.

Yes, this is what I hear from the kids - the purpose is to get 'ripped'. It's fun. . . if nothing serious happens, and until it's too late and an addiction has set in.

Thanks for your great advice on ensuring you are somewhere safe when you load up the brain and body with poison mushrooms! I suppose as long as you are somewhere safe, no overdose can happen, everything will be just fine. My friends' brother was safely in his own living room when his gf had to call an ambulance for an overdose of poison mushrooms. He barely made it out alive. I say most kids are not smart enough to use these illicit drugs safely, if there is such a thing.

You're so cool - you did acid! Wow. I can only imagine how much fun that must have been. Going into a fit of giggles over the word 'the' - sounds like great fun to me!

PS: There is no 'safe' stuff.

Edited January 17, 2008 by Community Advocate

[Community Advocate]

So now pot is too powerful?

Funny, cause most of the highest potency strains have been around since the 70's. There is just more of it.

If you don't know the difference between Opiate addiction which is physical and a psychological addiction like pot you are going to have trouble convincing any knowledgable person of your position.

Ever see a pot smoker puke and crap and and halucinate when they stopped using for a few months? No.

Whereas I've seen people who had serious sickness from prescribed opiate painkillers after only using them for a week. Big difference.

As for the mental illness, if it wasn't already there the pot didn't cause it. If pot was directly responsible for inducing mental illness then half the country would locked up in a looney bin. As for adulterated, pot is less adulterated than the grain that is used to make your bread today.

First quote = Pot smoking can be too powerful today, because some of it is laced with crystal meth, which makes it more potent, and more addictive. But the pot smokers smoking it think it's 'good weed'.

Last quote = wrong. Pot can cause psychosis in some people.

[Community Advocate]

I would think it be a violation of their Charter of Rights to drug test minors without parental consent. Drugs have been in schools since drugs started being manufactured, back in the "Olden Days" when I was in collage one wing of the school was for drug use and smokers. These people smoked their pot and did what ever one does with hash oil and went on about their day. On a side note the cafetaria did a booming business as a result of that wing's activity.

The more we stigmatize drugs the more appealing it is to our youth, open and honest dialog is the only way to combat our youth abusing drugs. A trip to the morgue would do wonders for young people who are doing hard drugs like Crack or Coke, it might scare them to get clean. I doubt it though.

LOL Without parental consent? Parents can not legally mandate a drug test for their own kid - certainly their consent would not be an issue. The child themselves have to consent. The way our school approached this was to offer the student the opportunity to take the drug test to proove they weren't high. If they refused the test, back home they went. Simple as that.

Today, parents need their children's signed consent for medical or criminal information from the age of 12 forward.

Here's the most world-wide accepted charter of rights and freedoms for the children of the world (up to the age of 18) stating that these kids actually have the right to be protected from these illicit drugs:

WORLD-WIDE/INTERNATIONAL:

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/k2crc.htm

Convention on the Rights of the Child:

Article 33: States Parties shall take all appropriate measures, including legislative, administrative, social and educational measures, to protect children from the illicit use of narcotic drugs and psychotropic substances as defined in the relevant international treaties, and to prevent the use of children in the illicit production and trafficking of such substances.