Harper unilaterally decides

[noahbody]

Dobbin, I have often laughed at people who accuse others of being paid acolytes of a party...or "paid bashers" as they are known in the daytrading community...but really...if anyone fits the bill of a paid liberal agitator, you do. The only thing you ever post is anti-Harper agitprop, and your attempts to round up issues where none exist is so transparent that it's laughable. Perhaps Harper plans to send uranium tainted Christmas greetings to the folks on his nefarious secret lists, eh?

I wonder if he gets paid in envelopes.

[jdobbin]

First, the "nuclear club" is widely understood to mean those countries with weaponized nuclear energy, so he gets in that little kick right at the neginning with his misleading title.

The decision was unilateral. The group is an association. One of the intents of the group is to repatriate nuclear waste to countries that produce uranium.

Here are some other issues that the Federation of American Scientists says are important.

http://fas.org/gnep.html

Edited December 2, 2007 by jdobbin

[Wilber]

THE problem is that THIS government is a MINORITY and until he get a MAJORITY, Harper can't do whatever he wants!

The opposition has given him a de facto majority because they are more afraid of an election than he is. Why wouldn't he make the best of it for as long as it lasts?

[Fortunata]

Misleading by those trying to attack the Government on the matter?

Absolutely. Glad to see you can admit the truth when it is this painfully obvious.

The key word is IF. IF there is technology to ensure no waste, and there would be none to repatriate, then what the hell was Lunn talking about - just trying to be the tuffie? But IF there is waste and Canada signed on to the treaty specifically stating waste would be repatriated then he misled the house didn't he (or is this government going to not honour the very treaty they signed onto)? Unless, of course, it's more of what is said but not as done behind the scenes, which seems to be this governments m.o.

[jdobbin]

The key word is IF. IF there is technology to ensure no waste, and there would be none to repatriate, then what the hell was Lunn talking about - just trying to be the tuffie? But IF there is waste and Canada signed on to the treaty specifically stating waste would be repatriated then he misled the house didn't he (or is this government going to not honour the very treaty they signed onto)? Unless, of course, it's more of what is said but not as done behind the scenes, which seems to be this governments m.o.

Here is a paper on the subject and many of the problems.

http://www.ips-dc.org/reports/070423-radioactivewastes.pdf

Somehow the government think these details are unimportant in terms of debate.

[Fortunata]

I wonder if he gets paid in envelopes.

Conservatives seem to be good at that.

Here is a paper on the subject and many of the problems.

http://www.ips-dc.org/reports/070423-radioactivewastes.pdf

Somehow the government think these details are unimportant in terms of debate.

Of course they think that. This is their usual m.o.

[runningdog]

more and more people are seeing the cons for what they are...a dangerous group of thugs.

[Wilber]

more and more people are seeing the cons for what they are...a dangerous group of thugs.

The more desperate people get, the more outlandish their statements and the less likely they are to get my support. The Conservatives have an ideology and are governing according to it. Why is anyone surprised? I like a lot of the things they have done, don't like some of the things they have done (a few I really dislike) and don't like the disrespect they have shown for Parliament at times but so far no one else has shown me they are more fit to govern. If another party wants my support they will have to earn it, but it might be done.

[Michael Bluth]

The more desperate people get, the more outlandish their statements and the less likely they are to get my support. The Conservatives have an ideology and are governing according to it. Why is anyone surprised? I like a lot of the things they have done, don't like some of the things they have done (a few I really dislike) and don't like the disrespect they have shown for Parliament at times but so far no one else has shown me they are more fit to govern. If another party wants my support they will have to earn it, but it might be done.

Fair comment.

The histrionics of some of the comments surrounding the Government are ridiculous.

Has Harper held a tight rein? Absolutely. But better that than dealing with a wingnut issue a week.

Harper hasn't done anything totally surprising, or *scary* *scary* *scary* so far as PM.

He's positioned himself as a reasonable choice for PM in enough people's eyes that he would win the next election in almost everybody's opinion if one were held now.

Not everybody likes it, but pretty much everybody agrees that is the situation.

[jdobbin]

Of course they think that. This is their usual m.o.

Hiding in a back room and not debating the issue is not one of the Conservatives finer moments.

Edited December 5, 2007 by jdobbin

[Topaz]

The opposition has given him a de facto majority because they are more afraid of an election than he is. Why wouldn't he make the best of it for as long as it lasts?

[/quote HARPER PREACHED he WAS GOING TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY, HE WAS GOING TO CLEAN UP GOVERNMENT AND IF ANYHTING IS FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH ITS THAT STATEMENT!! Funny that GWBush said to when he ran for office in 2000. "CLEAN UP" means something different to these two!

[Wilber]

HARPER PREACHED he WAS GOING TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY, HE WAS GOING TO CLEAN UP GOVERNMENT AND IF ANYHTING IS FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH ITS THAT STATEMENT!! Funny that GWBush said to when he ran for office in 2000. "CLEAN UP" means something different to these two!

Don't yell.

What is dirty about this government? There are always allegations being made by the opposition but that is normal regardless of who is in power. Not liking Harpers style or how they govern doesn't make them dirty.

[ScottSA]

The decision was unilateral. The group is an association. One of the intents of the group is to repatriate nuclear waste to countries that produce uranium.

Here are some other issues that the Federation of American Scientists says are important.

http://fas.org/gnep.html

Excuse me? It seems you aren't quite clear on the meaning of unilateral, not to mention the fact that "unilateral" has no value attachment anyway. What are you trying to say by leveling this claim of "unilateralism" against the tories. If you're refering to the intl level, you're wrong, because an association is by definition multilateral. If you're talking about the toies unilaterally joining, you are misusing the word. The Tories are the government, so they don't require the other parties to sign on. This isn't the UN, thank God.

[jdobbin]

Excuse me? It seems you aren't quite clear on the meaning of unilateral, not to mention the fact that "unilateral" has no value attachment anyway. What are you trying to say by leveling this claim of "unilateralism" against the tories. If you're refering to the intl level, you're wrong, because an association is by definition multilateral. If you're talking about the toies unilaterally joining, you are misusing the word. The Tories are the government, so they don't require the other parties to sign on. This isn't the UN, thank God.

The Tories promised in their election platform to put international agreements before the House of Commons. This is a broken promise. They acted unilaterally on the decision and are refusing to answer questions on it. That is another broken promise in the area of transparency.

Edited December 3, 2007 by jdobbin

[ScottSA]

HARPER PREACHED he WAS GOING TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY, HE WAS GOING TO CLEAN UP GOVERNMENT AND IF ANYHTING IS FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH ITS THAT STATEMENT!! Funny that GWBush said to when he ran for office in 2000. "CLEAN UP" means something different to these two!

I see Bush Derangement Syndrome is leaching across the border and clinging to harper now...

[Fortunata]

I see Bush Derangement Syndrome is leaching across the border and clinging to harper now...

Steve did say he was going to do it differently. In some ways he has, he has brought dirty politics in this country to a new low. But as far as everything else he is same old only more so. Voters seem to more cynical about politics than ever before.

[DrGreenthumb]

Maybe Dion really is a brilliant leader, and abstaining on the votes and giving the cons a kind of defacto majority, was all part of Dion's master plan to "give the cons enough rope". Frankly if that was the plan I think it is working marvelously. The cons house of cards is crashing down, and as they hang themselves, the liberals will regain power, and Canada will be saved from the fascists.

[White Doors]

Maybe Dion really is a brilliant leader, and abstaining on the votes and giving the cons a kind of defacto majority, was all part of Dion's master plan to "give the cons enough rope". Frankly if that was the plan I think it is working marvelously. The cons house of cards is crashing down, and as they hang themselves, the liberals will regain power, and Canada will be saved from the fascists.

Is this what you tell yourself every night when you go to sleep?

Polling does not back you up. Your rhetoric alone will put you on alot of people's ignore list.

[DrGreenthumb]

Awwww the Dunces who like the cons and their police state mentality won't read my posts anymore, boo hoo.

[M.Dancer]

Awwww the Dunces who like the cons and their police state mentality won't read my posts anymore, boo hoo.

Keep it up and I'm pretty sure you won't be able to post anymore either.....

HINT: Read the rules and conduct

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/index.p...E=01&HID=17

[DrGreenthumb]

Keep it up and I'm pretty sure you won't be able to post anymore either.....

HINT: Read the rules and conduct

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Again boohoo. I have complete contempt for the conservative autoritarian agenda, and for anyone who would vote for them. That ain't gonna change. It wouldn't surprise me if i got banned, that is typical conservative tactic, get ppl banned if they disagree with you. Libertarian minded folk like me would rather not ban anyone lest we deprive them of the opportunity to further expose their stupidity. So just so we are clear, its ok to put down ethnic minorities, or people with alternative lifestyles, but pointing out the lack of intelligence of the average conservative poster is a no-no?

[JerrySeinfeld]

I think some lefty wackos out there are just happy to put "Harper" and "Nuclear" in a lefty forum to stir shit up.

[no queenslave]

If the Tories think the nuclear club is a good idea, they should debate it. Instead they make an announcement on Friday just before the day end and then hide in a room to avoid questions. When those pesky reporters continue to ask questions when you leave, you say that everything that needed to be said was said in Parliament.

So I take it is your opinion that Canada should take back waste produced using Canadian uranium even when it is processed in other countries. And where will it be stored? How will it be stored? No debate there? Or are we to see another unilateral decision where it is buried in the Canadian Shield between Kenora and Thunder Bay?

You still do not understand Canada does not have a democratic government; just a dictatorship to look like a democratic government. And in a dictatorship the government does what it thinks it can get away with. If you Keep insisting you have a democracy what are you complaining about.

[M.Dancer]

Again boohoo. I have complete contempt for the conservative autoritarian agenda, and for anyone who would vote for them. That ain't gonna change. It wouldn't surprise me if i got banned, that is typical conservative tactic, get ppl banned if they disagree with you. Libertarian minded folk like me would rather not ban anyone lest we deprive them of the opportunity to further expose their stupidity. So just so we are clear, its ok to put down ethnic minorities, or people with alternative lifestyles, but pointing out the lack of intelligence of the average conservative poster is a no-no?

Here you get banned for not following the rules and acting like a baby or an arsehole, quicker if you are acting like both.

If you don't believe me, I have been suspended twice...or you could ask some old members who you perceive as being your fellow travellers. if what I say is not true...

...anyway, if you don't take the hint it will be no loss to anyone here, left or right.

[M.Dancer]

. Libertarian minded folk like me would rather not ban anyone lest we deprive them of the opportunity to further expose their stupidity.

I think that's an excellent reason why you shouldn't be banned.....