15-year-old girl jailed with 20 men, repeatedly raped.

[Moxie]

I always thought Brazil was a civil country with law and order etc. So how does something like this happen? Twice.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0%2C23599%2C2...-23109%2C00.htm

Snippet: 15-YEAR-old girl was put in a Brazilian jail cell with more than 20 men, and for a month was raped relentlessly and forced to have sex for food, human rights groups say.

"She was raped from day one'' at the jail in Para state, a Children and Adolescent Defence Centre (Cedeca) spokeswoman said.

The number of men in the cell varied from 20 to 34 while the girl, a robbery suspect, was there.

"She was raped innumerable times and forced to exchange sexual relations for food,'' said Miere Cohen, the president of the Order of Brazilian Lawyers Human Rights Commission.

Media reports of the case have sparked outrage across Brazil, especially since it closely followed an earlier incident of a 23-year-old woman who was also jailed in Para state for one month together with 70 men.

The teenager, whose

[jbg]

I always thought Brazil was a civil country with law and order etc. So how does something like this happen? Twice.

Brazil was only recently a military dictatorship and even now, each government goes out in a swirl of corruption allegations. Brazil is not Canada; Brasilia is not Ottawa.

[Guest coot]

Snippet: 15-YEAR-old girl was put in a Brazilian jail cell with more than 20 men, and for a month was raped relentlessly and forced to have sex for food, human rights groups say.

So in addition to the thread on boys being used as sex slaves, you add this? You have strange taste in porn.

[Higgly]

An important component in this post is that the girl was a "suspected" person. In other words, this was a police jailing, not a justice system jailing.

If this story is true, it is the police who are the problem.

[Moxie]

So in addition to the thread on boys being used as sex slaves, you add this? You have strange taste in porn.

This is the last time I will tolerate a nonsensical post from you, I'll report you the next time you personally attack me.

The systematic global abuse of "Women and Children" are important to me. Get use to me starting threads on the Global Abuse of Women and Children. If it offends your inner pervert, don't type a response.

Regarding your reference to Porn, raping women and children might be porn to YOU but to me it's criminal offenses.

[M.Dancer]

Regarding your reference to Porn, raping women and children might be porn to YOU but to me it's criminal offenses.

very well said

[capricorn]

An important component in this post is that the girl was a "suspected" person. In other words, this was a police jailing, not a justice system jailing.

What are you saying here? That had this been a justice system jailing, this atrocity would somehow not be so horrendous?

Oh now I get it. You devised a preamble to offer this standard condemnation of police officers.

If this story is true, it is the police who are the problem.

Very shallow.

[capricorn]

This case only reinforces the fact that in too many countries, women are valued less than men. Those same countries would not dare incarcerate a lone male with a group of women.

I sure hope that Brazilians raise hell over this. It's a good thing these cases are reported outside the offending countries. We can only hope that international shame will stir some officials into taking action domestically.

[Higgly]

What are you saying here? That had this been a justice system jailing, this atrocity would somehow not be so horrendous?

Oh now I get it. You devised a preamble to offer this standard condemnation of police officers.

Very shallow.

Not at all. The girl was jailed on police suspicion, she is the responsibility of the police. If you want to talk about incarceration resulting from due process, then that is another matter.

[capricorn]

Not at all. The girl was jailed on police suspicion, she is the responsibility of the police. If you want to talk about incarceration resulting from due process, then that is another matter.

Understand this. The reason why she was incarcerated is not the gist of the matter. It is the fact that she was placed alone with a large number of men in a jail. There is also the matter of the other woman in a previous case who was also placed in this untenable situation.

Due process is not at issue here so don't try to derail things to suit your agenda which is solely to criticize police officers at every turn.

Do you have any views about incarcerating women with men?

[Oleg Bach]

Understand this. The reason why she was incarcerated is not the gist of the matter. It is the fact that she was placed alone with a large number of men in a jail. There is also the matter of the other woman in a previous case who was also placed in this untenable situation.

Due process is not at issue here so don't try to derail things to suit your agenda which is solely to criticize police officers at every turn.

Do you have any views about incarcerating women with men?

This stuff is very disturbing and disheartening. What are you going to do about it? Probably nothing - so why post it? Bit of sensationalizm going on here for entertainment sake - and sick it be..what about putting the srews to China who rape a billion people though slavery and force abortion - and the stealing of organs to be sold to the rich - ???? Yet we still encourage this slave labour camp and support it - a billion people being raped and their humanity pilaged..is dark stuff but no one wants to address this - Olypics any one? Suck on lead infant brain scrambling - and we find this exceptable - shame on us - to focus on this post...is useless - forget these rapists - go after the mass murdering rapists of humanity and those that give them support - we are such hypocrites.

[bush_cheney2004]

Understand this. The reason why she was incarcerated is not the gist of the matter. It is the fact that she was placed alone with a large number of men in a jail. There is also the matter of the other woman in a previous case who was also placed in this untenable situation.

Due process is not at issue here so don't try to derail things to suit your agenda which is solely to criticize police officers at every turn.

Do you have any views about incarcerating women with men?

Hmmm....this question seems to be a bit "traditional" (i.e. sexist). We could speak of juveniles jailed with adults, male or female, and the requirement for safe custody conditions for all "prisoners". As we should well know from conditions in many North American penitentaries, the classic notion of separating the "boys from girls" is naive at best.

[capricorn]

what about putting the srews to China who rape a billion people though slavery and force abortion - and the stealing of organs to be sold to the rich - ???? Yet we still encourage this slave labour camp and support it - a billion people being raped and their humanity pilaged..is dark stuff but no one wants to address this - Olypics any one? Suck on lead infant brain scrambling - and we find this exceptable - shame on us - to focus on this post...is useless - forget these rapists - go after the mass murdering rapists of humanity and those that give them support - we are such hypocrites.

I have a suggestion. Why don't you start a thread about the atrocities going on in China.

Like I asked Higgly, do you Oleg have any views on incarcerating a lone woman with a group of men in the same jail?

[capricorn]

Hmmm....this question seems to be a bit "traditional" (i.e. sexist). We could speak of juveniles jailed with adults, male or female, and the requirement for safe custody conditions for all "prisoners". As we should well know from conditions in many North American penitentaries, the classic notion of separating the "boys from girls" is naive at best.

bc the issue may appear sexist to you because you are a male.

As far as North American prisons go, I have never heard of an institution that would be so negligent as to place a lone woman in a situation where inmates could rape her at will. If you know otherwise please share.

[bush_cheney2004]

bc the issue may appear sexist to you because you are a male.

As far as North American prisons go, I have never heard of an institution that would be so negligent as to place a lone woman in a situation where inmates could rape her at will. If you know otherwise please share.

See..that's the point. Why is sexual assault (male on female) any different than the other forms of assault, sexual and otherwise in Canadian or American pens? You don't think inmates are raped in our prisons?

The nature of the sexual assault may be aggravated, but would it matter if her rapists numbered one or fifteen? Males don't deserve the same consideration?

[Guest American Woman]

...Why is sexual assault (male on female) any different than the other forms of assault, sexual and otherwise in Canadian or American pens?

It's different in that male on female rape can be prevented simply by separating women from men in prison. The fact that men are raped too is no reason not to do what can easily be done to prevent one type (male on female) of rape.

Edited November 26, 2007 by American Woman

[capricorn]

See..that's the point. Why is sexual assault (male on female) any different than the other forms of assault, sexual and otherwise in Canadian or American pens? You don't think inmates are raped in our prisons?

Yes, I'm aware rape occurs in American and Canadian prisons. To my knowledge, the prisons don't do anything specifically or intentionally to facilitate those rapes. Taking it to the extreme, I suppose it could be argued the mere fact of incarcerating people together naturally leads to some inmates committing rapes. This problem will always exist. The only way around this would be to build one prison for each individual inmate. But let's keep it to practical terms. Now, whether prisons take specific measures to lessen or prevent the incidence of rape is another matter, one which I am not qualified to address.

The nature of the sexual assault may be aggravated, but would it matter if her rapists numbered one or fifteen? Males don't deserve the same consideration?

The number of rapists is irrelevant. After the first one, I doubt the victim is counting. No argument, rape is rape regardless of the gender of the rapist or the victim, and is contemptuous. In the case at hand, the victim is a woman and the prison officials ought to have known she would be a target. The question becomes is it systemic in Brazil's jails?

[capricorn]

It's different in that male on female rape can be prevented simply by separating women from men in prison.

That's the simple solution to prevent males raping females. It's obvious that males can rape males and even women can rape women in segregated prisons. Bottom line is prison is not a nice place to be for either gender, and should be avoided.

[bush_cheney2004]

That's the simple solution to prevent males raping females. It's obvious that males can rape males and even women can rape women in segregated prisons. Bottom line is prison is not a nice place to be for either gender, and should be avoided.

Yes..they can and do....which makes me wonder if this is even an international story had the victim been a juvenile male. I understand the practical realities of sexual assault, but the way in which we invoke the old paradigm for victimhood only perpetuates assumptions. Most prisons are not nice places regardless of gender.

[Guest American Woman]

Yes..they can and do....which makes me wonder if this is even an international story had the victim been a juvenile male. I understand the practical realities of sexual assault, but the way in which we invoke the old paradigm for victimhood only perpetuates assumptions. Most prisons are not nice places regardless of gender.

If the victim had been a 15 year old male who was knowingly incarcerated, without being charged, with more than 20 homosexual men for a month, and he was raped relentlessly and forced to have sex for food, I think it just may have been an international story too.

You say you understand the practical realities of sexual assault, but in light of your response to this case, I have to wonder if you really do.

[jbg]

The nature of the sexual assault may be aggravated, but would it matter if her rapists numbered one or fifteen? Males don't deserve the same consideration?

Do males get pregnant, especially by some creep/criminal? Do males have any part of their anatomy that lends itself to such a horrible crime? Is not sex supposed to be based on love and/or procreation, not sick, utter hatred?

As everyone knows, I am far from politically correct. This is beyond any pale.

[M.Dancer]

Do males have any part of their anatomy that lends itself to such a horrible crime?

Hate to be an ass about that, but yes, yes they do.....

[Rue]

An important component in this post is that the girl was a "suspected" person. In other words, this was a police jailing, not a justice system jailing.

If this story is true, it is the police who are the problem.

As you are aware and many of us are the police in certain countries such as Brazil are a world to themselves. This is a country where the police still go out at night and murder children on the beaches. This probably was deliberately done. Brazil most certainly segregates based on gender. Someone probably did this because they are sick and wanted to deliberately kill this girl slowly.

Part of me wishes we could take the man who made the order to put her in the cell be raped for over a month but I appreciate this is not a rational response.

[bush_cheney2004]

If the victim had been a 15 year old male who was knowingly incarcerated, without being charged, with more than 20 homosexual men for a month, and he was raped relentlessly and forced to have sex for food, I think it just may have been an international story too.

Ahem...I don't think you understand the nature of sexual assault in prisons. It often has nothing to do with "homosexuality".

You say you understand the practical realities of sexual assault, but in light of your response to this case, I have to wonder if you really do.

See above.

[Guest American Woman]

Ahem...I don't think you understand the nature of sexual assault in prisons. It often has nothing to do with "homosexuality"

I understand perfectly. Obviously you don't have a clue as to what this issue is all about. I repeat what I said above. If a lone 15 year old boy had been put in with 20-34 known homosexuals, and he suffered the same fate as this girl, it would have made international news AND I'm sure you'd have something to say about it.

As I said, your responses in this thread show you don't have a clue as to what the issue is in this particular case. Keep thinking putting a 15 year old girl in with a bunch of males is the equivilent of putting a 15 year old boy in with males, I'm done trying to explain the difference to you.