Tasered Polish Man

Drea · November 24, 2007

touche! :lol:

Why though? You're making stuff up now BC2004!

I am not "the volatile one". I am really quite patient for the most part. I am a Libra after all...

You are the one who believes that simply asking questions instead of instantly following orders should lead to tasering.

bush_cheney2004 · November 24, 2007

touche!
Why though? You're making stuff up now BC2004!

And you're not? More whining when faced with the music, eh?

I am not "the volatile one". I am really quite patient for the most part. I am a Libra after all...
You are the one who believes that simply asking questions instead of instantly following orders should lead to tasering.

I'd say....if a police officer removed his/her holstered C2 Taser and pointed it at me, I wouldn't go into my mellow- "I'm a Libra" - "please explain" mode. I would comply with his/her requests. Oh, and I wouldn't look for extra ass-kissing because of my marital or reproductive status.

Drea · November 24, 2007

OOOOhhhmmm...

OOOOhhmmm..

:lol:

Patience grasshopper, you too will see the light (of the taser as it blasts you) when you seek answers to your questions...

I call a truce BC2004.

We are gettin' nowhere and my sis just called and I.....gotta....... SHOP!

Oleg Bach · November 24, 2007

OOOOhhhmmm...
OOOOhhmmm..

Patience grasshopper, you too will see the light (of the taser as it blasts you) when you seek answers to your questions...

I call a truce BC2004.

We are gettin' nowhere and my sis just called and I.....gotta....... SHOP!

Experiement a bit while shopping - jump on the counter and say - I am the womb of the coming Christ and anyone that dare touches me will be destroyed by God...then - take all your clothes of and see if you can get tased....if you get tase...I will send you fifty dollars.

Drea · November 24, 2007

Experiement a bit while shopping - jump on the counter and say - I am the womb of the coming Christ and anyone that dare touches me will be destroyed by God...then - take all your clothes of and see if you can get tased....if you get tase...I will send you fifty dollars.

...hasn't read my tag line...

What do you think Oleg? Did you watch the video? Do you believe the taser use was warranted?

Carinthia · November 24, 2007

The guy was interviewd on CNN and he said that he was pointing at the sign. He was trying to explain that he had not had enough time yet to slow down to the reduced speed. The cop ordered him over while he was still doing the posted speed. By the time he had pulled over he was just passed the speed sign, so he felt that it was unfair and was not going to sign up for a ticket. He also thought the cop had pulled a gun and he started to walk away from this nutjob cop, as he said he was shocked and terrified. His wife and babies were in the vehicle and the cop would have seen that. Yup, he sure appeared to be a dangerous criminal! Clear cut case of a trigger happy cop who was just in an ugly mood.

luvacuppajoe · November 24, 2007

According to Utah State Code, this is how an arrest is supposed to be made:

77-7-6. Manner of making arrest.

(1) The person making the arrest shall inform the person being arrested of his intention, cause, and authority to arrest him. Such notice shall not be required when:

(a) there is reason to believe the notice will endanger the life or safety of the officer or another person or will likely enable the party being arrested to escape;

(B ) the person being arrested is actually engaged in the commission of, or an attempt to commit, an offense; or

© the person being arrested is pursued immediately after the commission of an offense or an escape.

The cop didn't place the driver under arrest when he told him to get out of the car, he simply said to get out, which the driver did.

The cop walked toward his car and as he put his ticket book down on the bumper said "put your hands behind your back" and then pulled out his Taser at the same time he was turning around to face the guy.

Is that what cops are doing now, pulling out their Tasers before there's any threat of violence or escape like this guy did?

The driver was an idiot for walking away and being so obnoxious about the ticket, but the cop did not make an arrest according to Utah state law because he didn't inform the guy of his intentions and none of the exemption clauses fit with what we saw on the video. I don't see anything "textbook" about it.

They were both in the wrong.

To those who think he resisted arrest and deserved to get tased, at exactly what point in the video was he even placed under arrest, and for what? The cop has two ways of dealing with an unsigned ticket -- write on it "refuses to sign" or make an arrest. Easy way or hard way, his call.

I agree with you, Drea...the idea of using the tool of communication seems to be underutilized.

Edited November 24, 2007 by luvacuppajoe

jbg · November 24, 2007

Why did it get to the point where it was deemed necessary to call the police in the first place? That's something that we would all like to know except for those who can't or don't want to see anything other than the actions of the police.

Perhaps, if the poster who stated that he had served a five year sentence in Poland for armed robbery was right and he wasn't eligible to come into Canada was right, police assistance would have been needed.

bush_cheney2004 · November 24, 2007

The guy was interviewd on CNN and he said that he was pointing at the sign. He was trying to explain that he had not had enough time yet to slow down to the reduced speed. The cop ordered him over while he was still doing the posted speed. By the time he had pulled over he was just passed the speed sign, so he felt that it was unfair and was not going to sign up for a ticket. He also thought the cop had pulled a gun and he started to walk away from this nutjob cop, as he said he was shocked and terrified. His wife and babies were in the vehicle and the cop would have seen that. Yup, he sure appeared to be a dangerous criminal! Clear cut case of a trigger happy cop who was just in an ugly mood.

Another apologist for the "I am special" crowd. The "I am special" crowd do not have to produce driver's license when lawfully directed to do so, or sign traffic tickets, or submit to arrest. The "I am special" crowd thinks they have the privilege to argue and resist law enforcement whenever they feel like it...because...well...they are "special".

I see we have some more pepper spray and Taser incidents this week in Paradise Canada. One chap is critical in hospital. I guess that could be considered "special" too.

Happy Hoildays! :lol:

PS: What does a legal traffic stop and Taze in Utah have to do with your RCMP killing some poor Polish fellow in Vancouver? Blame the Americans? Again?

Edited November 24, 2007 by bush_cheney2004

bush_cheney2004 · November 24, 2007

The cop walked toward his car and as he put his ticket book down on the bumper said "put your hands behind your back" and then pulled out his Taser at the same time he was turning around to face the guy.
Is that what cops are doing now, pulling out their Tasers before there's any threat of violence or escape like this guy did?

Yes.....it is the correct thing to do without backup present. The police officer has no idea what the "obnoxious" citizen is going to do next. There is always a threat of violence...lots of dead cops to show for it.

The driver was an idiot for walking away and being so obnoxious about the ticket, but the cop did not make an arrest according to Utah state law because he didn't inform the guy of his intentions and none of the exemption clauses fit with what we saw on the video. I don't see anything "textbook" about it.
They were both in the wrong.

Then Mr. Obnoxious can have his day in court. In the mean time, our hero gets to go home safely after his shift.

To those who think he resisted arrest and deserved to get tased, at exactly what point in the video was he even placed under arrest, and for what? The cop has two ways of dealing with an unsigned ticket -- write on it "refuses to sign" or make an arrest. Easy way or hard way, his call.
I agree with you, Drea...the idea of using the tool of communication seems to be underutilized.

There was plenty of communication...mostly non-compliance and excuses from the perp. He could have simply signed the ticket.....but nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo....he was "special".

bush_cheney2004 · November 24, 2007

Here is another police video with a "harmless" citizen and family...I'll bet the police officer wished she had a Taser...eh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lohN6F2jxFc

Riverwind · November 25, 2007

There was plenty of communication...mostly non-compliance and excuses from the perp. He could have simply signed the ticket.....but nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo....he was "special".

I can never figure why people think they have something to gain by talking back to the police. Edited November 25, 2007 by Riverwind

Moxie · November 25, 2007

Here is another police video with a "harmless" citizen and family...I'll bet the police officer wished she had a Taser...eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lohN6F2jxFc

Oh my gawd, what an animal. To beat her like that infront of his child. His death by tazer would benifit society.

bush_cheney2004 · November 25, 2007

Oh my gawd, what an animal. To beat her like that infront of his child. His death by tazer would benifit society.

Yep....crushed her face in like a pop can....the police officer spent months in hospital and rehab. The entire video has been televised on American networks several times, and it is one of the most brutal things you will ever see.

Carinthia · November 25, 2007

Yes.....it is the correct thing to do without backup present. The police officer has no idea what the "obnoxious" citizen is going to do next. There is always a threat of violence...lots of dead cops to show for it.
Then Mr. Obnoxious can have his day in court. In the mean time, our hero gets to go home safely after his shift.

There was plenty of communication...mostly non-compliance and excuses from the perp. He could have simply signed the ticket.....but nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo....he was "special".

noooooooooooooooo he was "innocent".

Why would anybody just bend over and pay a ticket when they felt they had done nothing wrong? What a wimpy thing to do! The cop was wrong and he knew it, that's why he got ugly. He was acting with "how dare you question the great me" attitude. He wasn't acting like was is Mr. right, he was acting like he is Mr. always right.

bush_cheney2004 · November 25, 2007

noooooooooooooooo he was "innocent".
Why would anybody just bend over and pay a ticket when they felt they had done nothing wrong? What a wimpy thing to do! The cop was wrong and he knew it, that's why he got ugly. He was acting with "how dare you question the great me" attitude. He wasn't acting like was is Mr. right, he was acting like he is Mr. always right.

Huh? Signing the ticket is not payment, just a promise to pay or contest the citation in court. Once the police officer decided to cite for speeding, the story should have ended with a routine signature.

But noooooooooooooooooooooo, Mr. Obnoxious wanted to escalate the sitch, so our hero obliged.

Next case.....

jdobbin · November 25, 2007

Second B.C. man dies after Taser incident.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

A man who was hit with a baton, pepper-sprayed, and Tasered by police in Chilliwack, B.C., has died in hospital.
Thirty-six-year-old Robert Knipstrom died Saturday morning, four days after he was confronted by police at a rental store. Police say the case is considered an "in-custody" death and an RCMP investigation has been launched along with the B.C. Coroner's Office.

Witnesses told CTV British Columbia last week Knipstrom had been driving erratically before entering a Chilliwack business. He appeared to be extremely agitated and became even more so when he learned that police had been called.

sideshow · November 25, 2007

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Oleg Bach · November 25, 2007

thats old news. at least he got 60 years......lol.....hope it was worth it for him.

Why would you go off into time and dig up some crap that you found not even in your own back yard but down in the States somewhere..so you run a womans shelter of something..seems like some agenda popping up here - like lets kill the woman abuser and assaulter? Really my friend to post such a video is inflamatory to say the least and very telling on what motivates you ----ohh ----I see - the BIG polish man that got tasered to death was a woman beater...I got you - most big men always hit woman and stomp on infant children...what was I thinking - maybe we have to go into the family court system and electrocute those "angry husbands" when the state conditioning system of "anger management" does not take hold and maybe the "angry" "BIG man will not take his medication after the lawyers have taken everything from him and handed it over to his wifes fling who buys a bass boat and soaks up the proceeds that he worked for..Taser all those scarey BIG MEN - The small compliant ones and the gays we will spare.

bush_cheney2004 · November 25, 2007

Why would you go off into time and dig up some crap that you found not even in your own back yard but down in the States somewhere....

I posted the video to demonstrate what police officers face in the way of "resisting arrest". Sorry if it upsets your sensibilities concerning the balance of power and corporate elite police state.

Seems this is Taser Week in Canada. But we have to include the Americans for blame somehow!

bush_cheney2004 · November 25, 2007

Second B.C. man dies after Taser incident.

Working theory..."B.C." men are prone to Taser death because of long history with ganja (BC Bud). Developing.....

sideshow · November 25, 2007

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Oleg Bach · November 25, 2007

Here is another police video with a "harmless" citizen and family...I'll bet the police officer wished she had a Taser...eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lohN6F2jxFc

It's very odd that I get reprimanded for making a light hearted joke about the Polish people - a dark and humours comment regarding Tasing all of Warsaw buy hooking up wires to the plumbing on bath day - and saying "I don't like Poles" which was just silly talk......THEN I am told by a mod to refrain from the dark humor because some might not get it and it could be taken as an INFLAMATORY statement. NOW this video is posted here at MLW - that is totally off topic..one that is generating hate - and some how has hyjacked the thread as if it was done by some man hating eccentric feminist..

- the horrible video of some Amercan red neck garbage human - beating the life out of a poor female cop....and to play our emotions like out of tune violins even further...by adding comments that are warm and fussy liberalism - to para phrase "and to have the children watch this horror" - I suggest that this video is off topic - inflamatory and unfair to the poor man and his family who was taxered to death in Vancouver - the video should be pulled..it incites viewers - both male and female to hate - and to indirectly hate the Polish dead man....who had nothing to do what so ever with beating a female cop about the face..pull the video please.

bush_cheney2004 · November 25, 2007

that made me laugh a good hearty laugh.........but really, cant we Canadians blame the US for the Polish fellows death because Taser is an American company.......... lol

Yes...the Americans often have the best toys....in this case..."ECDs":

http://www.taser.com/company/pages/aboutTASER.aspx

Counsel will certainly include Taser International in the tort case.

Oleg Bach · November 25, 2007

Yes...the Americans often have the best toys....in this case..."ECDs":
http://www.taser.com/company/pages/aboutTASER.aspx

Counsel will certainly include Taser International in the tort case.

You make light of a very serious potential human rights abuse that may slowly be normalize in society - contain your base sillyness...."Americans often have the best toys" ?? Nuclear weapons are they toys ?