Radical Islamists, or Moderate Islamic victims?

[Moxie]

I came across this article and it left me gobbed smacked. Muslims creating incidents, terrorizing the flying public with unexceptable behavior and then sueing the Airlines. Has political correctness gone to far? Fear of racial profiling is going to cause future deaths unless the courts make it clear these madmen will be held accountable legally. They set up situations, then they scream victim and the left lap it up like koolaide and they sue the victims and the airlines. This is madness. It's a targeted attack to cower the public and the Airlines from identifying Muslim Terrorist. WHY? To ensure further terrorist attacks are successful, that's my opinion. Moderates, I don't think so. Nasty bullies who are getting paid cash visa vie the courts to terrorize the general public.

For the record I favour "Racial Profiling" it's an effective tool to ensure the safety of the public. If seven little redheads flew planes into the Twin Towers I would expect to come under heavy scrutiny after Sept 11. I'd welcome it if it ensure the flying safty of the public, yet the Muslims want to silence us by using the courts to prevent society from reporting "Odd Behavior".

Link: http://pajamasmedia.com/2007/11/six_arabs_and_a_lawsuit.php

Snippet: Based on passenger accounts, the 12 Middle Eastern men on Sun Country Flight 274 appeared to be going out of their way to call attention to their aberrant, in-flight behavior. One passenger explained: “They were so many of them and they were seated all over the plane. They acted like college kids except they were too old. They stood up in unison, kept changing seats, and kept passing cellular phones. They were so disruptive. No one else was being obnoxious like they were. This was totally out-of-line behavior. They were playing musical chairs. The flight attendant kept telling them to sit in their seats. But every time [the flight attendant] was out of eyesight, they were at it again.”

During the flight, this passenger debated whether or not to tell the flight attendant further details of the men’s behavior. “But then one of the men pulled out a video camera, a big camcorder, with a big mike. The flight attendant told him to put it away. He did, until she was gone. Then he pulled it back out and started video taping all the passengers on the plane. It was intimidating. Now, there was no chance of me saying anything. These guys had me on tape.”

The passenger’s mother, who was also on the plane, described in a separate interview what she witnessed in-flight. “What the men were doing was very intimidating, especially with that video camera. I felt scared. They were loud and boisterous. I thought about saying something to the flight attendant. But we live in Minnesota and are aware of the imam’s lawsuit. It’s a little bit scary, thinking you can get sued for giving information like this.” (At the time of the flight, lawyers for six Muslim clerics, removed from an airline for suspicious behavior, had named airline passengers in their well-publicized, racial profiling suit against U.S Airways, and the Minnesota airport authorities.)

[jefferiah]

Wow. I never heard about that. Ridiculous. They were acting idiotic in an attempt to have material for a lawsuit. No doubt about it. Only thing is, what kind of judges would even consider this good grounds for a lawsuit, since they were in fact acting like idiots. And the passengers that reported the behaviour in this other incident were sued?

Edited November 10, 2007 by jefferiah

[RedDaVinci]

I'm disgusted by how lop-sided this discussion has become. Some Muslim men start acting erratically and they are suddenly "terrorizing the flying public". All Muslims must be evil because twelve of them in a well-publicized incident that didn't even make it to the major news media were acting like a bunch of children.

Put yourself in the shoes of the flight attendant. They see a bunch of Muslim (not specified whether they are Canadian citizens... but they're Muslim, so who cares, right?) men doing silly things and disrupting the flight. Ideally, he or she learned to treat men from all creeds and races as equal. In other words, she sees twelve men acting like children. And so she tells them to stop, and they just resume doing their disruptive activities.

Then to create a sensation on this "pajama news" outlet or whatever it's called, they interview a frightened innocent woman to say some very frightened things, with her also frightened mother, in a context that makes it sound like these childish men were making a makeshift bomb out of a watch and a can of shaving cream in some kind of great Jihad against the flying public.

On the other hand, for them to have any grounds to go to court over a matter that they created from their own stupidity and childishness and claim bigotry is a joke. If you disrupt a flight full of people from a country where there is still a lot of fear propagated by the American media towards an entire race and religion, you're going to get bigotry.

But to claim that they did this just for media attention or for the chance to go to court is nothing more than speculation. I don't have to explain why speculation without an iota of proof or any variety of testimony is just not constructive.

[Guest American Woman]

Then to create a sensation on this "pajama news" outlet or whatever it's called, they interview a frightened innocent woman to say some very frightened things, with her also frightened mother, in a context that makes it sound like these childish men were making a makeshift bomb out of a watch and a can of shaving cream in some kind of great Jihad against the flying public.

I didn't get that impression at all. The impression I got was two (understandably) frightened women said exactly what happened. Furthermore, I think the behavior of the 12 men went beyond "childish." I find it odd that this incident didn't make the news. I also find it odd that the men weren't held for questioning.

[AngusThermopyle]

I dont know very much about this but from what I've read it appears to go beyond the merely childish. It would appear they had a clear agenda that they were exercising it. What that agenda was I really couldn't say. A trumped up lawsuit might be on that agenda though, it really doesn't seem too far out of bounds to assume so.

It is interesting it didn't get much coverage though. Normally anything involving suspect behaviour on an aircraft gets pretty thorough coverage.

[Michael Hardner]

This is another example of some individuals behaving badly, and the results being purposely fuzzified in an attempt to tar all with the same brush, along with a plea against 'political correctness'.

This article doesn't say anything about anything.

[jefferiah]

This is another example of some individuals behaving badly, and the results being purposely fuzzified in an attempt to tar all with the same brush, along with a plea against 'political correctness'.

This article doesn't say anything about anything.

12 muslims. That's an irregularly large group of mischievious friends with airline tickets. Hmmmm. You must be an idiot, Michael. They did it because they thought they could cause fear based upon an underlying prejudice. No matter how unjustified you think that underlying prejudice is, this example of trying to play a game with it when no one was doing anything to them is worse. This is not a court of law. This is discussion. Everybody with at least two grey cells knows what's going on here. Get your head out of your ass.

[Drea]

What if it were 12 Japanese tourists?

No one would have even noticed that they changed seats. People would've smiled nicely for the video camera.

We live in an era of perpetuated fear.

People with brown skin changing seats and having cameras now set people on edge.

Last century, the Commies were comin' -- Japs were at our back doors... this century the muslim is the "villain".

Ho hum.

[Guest American Woman]

What if it were 12 Japanese tourists?

No one would have even noticed that they changed seats. People would've smiled nicely for the video camera.

We live in an era of perpetuated fear.

People with brown skin changing seats and having cameras now set people on edge.

Last century, the Commies were comin' -- Japs were at our back doors... this century the muslim is the "villain".

Ho hum.

Really? You think it would be ok for a bunch of Japanese people to play muscial chairs?

Everyone who wanders aimlessly around an airplane is asked to take their seat. Even on 12 hour+ non-stop flights. I know that from experience. Furthermore, on every flight I've been on, the people asked have complied.

You think it's normal for 12 people to all get up at the same time, switch chairs, and ignore the flight attendants when they are asked to stop? You would smile nicely for the camera if a bunch of Japanese started videotaping you on an airplane? I sure wouldn't! I don't care what color skin they had, I would want their cameras out of my face. Their behavior was inappropriate, and I cannot believe they were not held for questioning. People without brown skin are held for questioning when they act inappropriately, so I believe those with brown skin should be as well. A woman who died while being detained in an airport just made the news. She wasn't Arab.

Furthermore, I bet if a group of 12 Americans/Canadians on a flight did to them what they did, they'd be just as upset as the passengers on this flight were. I also bet if a group of 12 Americans/Canadians did to Muslims what these Arabs did you'd be defending the Muslims' reaction, condemning the Americans/Canadians actions. And rightfully so.

Some people do have "the Muslims are villans" attitude, but just because that attitude is wrong doesn't mean Muslims' behavior is never wrong. And on this flight the behavior of the 12 Arab men was clearly inappropriate, as it would have been no matter what color their skin was. Had I been on that flight, I would have been very uneasy.

Edited November 10, 2007 by American Woman

[Drea]

well don't fly then.

If you are afraid of what "might" happen you are living in perpetual fear.

What is your solution? Perhaps airline passengers (all of them) should be required to wear straight jackets and urine bags so they don't get out of their seats.

Did anything happen on the flight after these men were cruising all around the cabin? Did it crash? Did they threaten anyone? Did they take over the flight? Did they intimidate the crew into changing the flight plan?

No. None of those things happened in reality. They only happened in the minds of the afraid.

[maxsyno]

"are groups of Middle Eastern men purposefully behaving suspiciously in airports and on airplanes in an effort to cash in on America’s civil justice system"?

In all honesty this North American mind set is extremely primative and embarrassing.

How on earth could anybody determin behaviour as ' "purposefully" behaving' as opposed to simply behaving as normal for a start. Could a North American actually ever know how Arabs 'behave' for a start?

And what is "suspiciously"?

This is completely absurd.

For a start if one is behaving suspiciously it is often because they dont really want to draw attention to themselves!

If these people were rude on the airlines then that is 'it'. Simply that. They were rude and the flight atendent should have dealt wit hit.

"The Director of Safety and Security for at least one airline, Sun Country Airlines, believes this may be true.

There are some groups out there pushing the limits to reap the rewards of what happened on 9/11,” Tony Loeks told PJM in an interview. “They behave in a non-violent but suspicious manner to get themselves pulled off the aircraft with the result being a civil suit against the airline.”

Oh really!

I'd hate to be related to this idiot.

[Guest American Woman]

well don't fly then.

If you are afraid of what "might" happen you are living in perpetual fear.

What is your solution? Perhaps airline passengers (all of them) should be required to wear straight jackets and urine bags so they don't get out of their seats.

Did anything happen on the flight after these men were cruising all around the cabin? Did it crash? Did they threaten anyone? Did they take over the flight? Did they intimidate the crew into changing the flight plan?

No. None of those things happened in reality. They only happened in the minds of the afraid.

I'm starting to wonder if you read and/or comprehend anything I say. I never once said I was afraid of what might happen; I in no way live in perpetual fear. I never even remotely insinuated otherwise. Please make an effort to read what I actually SAY and respond accordingly.

I said I would have been uneasy on the flight in question in light of what DID happen. The men, in spite of being Arab, behaved inappropriately; and their behavior would have been inappropriate no matter what their nationality/color of their skin. They should have been required to listen to the flight attendants same as everyone else. Having NOT listened to the flight attendants, they should have been detained, same as anyone else is.

Your moronic "what is your solution" comments don't even warrant an answer, but the solution, as I already stated, is to detain people who act inappropriately, to question them, no matter what color their skin is.

FYI, there are other inappropriate behaviors other than crashing a plane, taking over a flight, and/or forcing a change in flight plans. Furthermore, some would, and did, consider a bunch of strangers video taping them on a flight to be threatening. There are rules to be followed on flight, and they apply to everyone.

Your responses are indicative of a real attitude problem, which I find pretty ironic, not to mention amusing, in light of your accusation that Americans are smug.

[Drea]

If they hadn't been Arab, we would not be discussing this. If it were a group of say, British soccer players acting up, we would not be having this discussion.

The only thing that perpetuates this discussion is your unfounded fear of muslims. You should fear 12 year old girls, after all, there was that one that killed her parents, therefor all 12 yo girls are frightening little things that could kill you on a whim.

I don't care if you think I have an attitude. It's not a problem for me at all.

You own your reaction to any given situation. If you react with fear you own that fear, it's yours -- it doesn't belong to the people you are afraid of.

AW, read maxsyno's post.

Edited November 10, 2007 by Drea

[Guest American Woman]

Get a clue. I HAVE NO FEAR OF MUSLIMS.

You answered my question, anyway. You don't read what I write or else you don't comprehend it. Either way, spending any more time with you on this is a complete waste of time.

[DogOnPorch]

Let's see...a large group of people decide to act like they are 'up to something'...on an aircraft...post 9-11.

It's called asking for trouble...

--------------------------------------------------------

There is so much good in the worst of us, and so much bad in the best of us, that it behooves all of us not to talk about the rest of us.

---Robert Louis Stevenson

[Moxie]

I'm disgusted by how lop-sided this discussion has become. Some Muslim men start acting erratically and they are suddenly "terrorizing the flying public". All Muslims must be evil because twelve of them in a well-publicized incident that didn't even make it to the major news media were acting like a bunch of children.

Good grief one response to the article and it's become Lop-sided. This isn't Rabble with only five members, one post doesn't mean the thread is "Lop-sided" unless you are "Math" challenged.

Put yourself in the shoes of the flight attendant. They see a bunch of Muslim (not specified whether they are Canadian citizens... but they're Muslim, so who cares, right?) men doing silly things and disrupting the flight. Ideally, he or she learned to treat men from all creeds and races as equal. In other words, she sees twelve men acting like children. And so she tells them to stop, and they just resume doing their disruptive activities.

They were terrorizing the flying public when the Dolly Trolly was out of sight. Dah. Now why would they do that? Why video tape these passengers without their consent? T

Then to create a sensation on this "pajama news" outlet or whatever it's called, they interview a frightened innocent woman to say some very frightened things, with her also frightened mother, in a context that makes it sound like these childish men were making a makeshift bomb out of a watch and a can of shaving cream in some kind of great Jihad against the flying public.

I like pajama news, what's your favorite commie site? These people spoke out because they were frightened into silence, they were afraid to report the suspicious behavior lest they get sued by the Muslims. You can twist the entire thing around but the witness clearly stated the men were out to scare the passengers. WHY? How long to you think I'd last if I were to take a flight to the Middle East and start preaching the word of god. They'd beat me to death, in the west we cower and stay silent.

On the other hand, for them to have any grounds to go to court over a matter that they created from their own stupidity and childishness and claim bigotry is a joke. If you disrupt a flight full of people from a country where there is still a lot of fear propagated by the American media towards an entire race and religion, you're going to get bigotry.

How's it bigotry? The Muslims were the ones acting wierd, so how do you equate that to "Bigotry? Get a larger vocabulary. Bigot and Racists are so leftard.

But to claim that they did this just for media attention or for the chance to go to court is nothing more than speculation. I don't have to explain why speculation without an iota of proof or any variety of testimony is just not constructive.

Speculation Shirly you jest, remember the six flying Imams who launched a civil suit and counter sued the witness (complaintants). The US passed legislation so this can't happen AGAIN, Radical Islamist are attempting to silence anyone who speaks out on Radical Islam. You side works well with them.

I think there is a group of Muslims working together to cower the flying public, they are attempting to De-sensitize the public towards suspicious behavior using lawsuits and intimidation. WHY? It shall be easier to plan another September 11 if the public is to afraid to report suspicious behavior of know terrorist--Islamic Radicals.

Drea could you give me a link to Japanese people taking our Aircraft hostage in the west? How many did they kill? I realise it's painful for the Islamic appeaser to hear this but it was Muslims who attacked the west using planes as a weapon. They are committing barbaric acts in the name of their god globally, we need to be alert and not lulled into this PC nonsense. I have never suggested all Muslims are terrorist wanna bees but god their are an awful lot living in the West that would love to have a chance to hurt us. They hide amongst the moderates and if we don't stop being afraid to discuss Islam and it's history of using violence to spread it's cult we are going to suffer.

[AngusThermopyle]

They hide amongst the moderates and if we don't stop being afraid to discuss Islam and it's history of using violence to spread it's cult we are going to suffer.

Very well said, also very true.

[RedDaVinci]

Commie site? "Shirly"?

My news outlets are the Montreal Gazette, the Montreal Suburban, the CTV News station and the CBC News station. I am aware of FOX news and its ironic "fair and balanced" slogan, and I am aware of ABC news which is fine, but they hardly mention Canada. If I'm feeling adventurous, I'll pick up a French newspaper, because the francophone media frequently reports different events.

There aren't any communist specific subscriptions that I know of and if there were, it would be pretty pointless reading a lop-sided publication if you want a full story.

Pajama news only interviewed these two frightened women and were vague about what these men were doing. All we know is that they were swapping seats and taking out cameras. Were they laughing? Were they shouting praises to Allah? Were they giving threatening glances? If so, what kind?

So far, no justification is given for the fear of these two women except their own. I don't care how they felt towards the situation, I'm more interested in knowing exactly what happened; I'd like to hear from the some other passengers, maybe one of the Muslim men for perspective.

I have no problem admitting that what they did was incredibly unusual. But unusual to the point of being suspect if you shine the media lens at the right angle and your readership has a particular political leaning. Let's let the courts and the juries decide who's guilty. They have the evidence-- we have Pajama News.

[jbg]

I'm disgusted by how lop-sided this discussion has become. Some Muslim men start acting erratically and they are suddenly "terrorizing the flying public". All Muslims must be evil because twelve of them in a well-publicized incident that didn't even make it to the major news media were acting like a bunch of children.

You'd have to be asleep or anesthetized for the past 5 years 2 months if you believe what you wrote. Any kind of horseplay on planes, whether by visible Muslims or otherwise is a zero-tolerance event these days. As to Muslims, unfortunately, the situation is worse.

Need anyone forget that the September 11 attacks started with diverting behavior in the cabin by Muslims?

[ScottSA]

So far, no justification is given for the fear of these two women except their own. I don't care how they felt towards the situation, I'm more interested in knowing exactly what happened; I'd like to hear from the some other passengers, maybe one of the Muslim men for perspective.

I have no problem admitting that what they did was incredibly unusual. But unusual to the point of being suspect if you shine the media lens at the right angle and your readership has a particular political leaning. Let's let the courts and the juries decide who's guilty. They have the evidence-- we have Pajama News.

Well, we can all claim it's prejudicial and so on, but in fact Cair and the Imams some months ago did exactly the same thing. It's a common tactic among social activists...continue pushing the envelope and then retreating to a safe position and hurl abuse from behind it. Homosexual activists do it all the time; put forward some ridiculous demand and then claim that all they ever wanted was to be like everyone else. Feminists, when feminism was still a viable interest group, used to do it all the time...demand special laws or tax breaks or status for women, and when called on it, simply retreat, look innocent, and ask why men don't want to allow them equality.

The Imams went on a plane, acted intimidating, got kicked off, and Cair immediately spent gobs of Saudi money launching lawsuits hither and yon in an effort to break the public's ability to practise vigilance. Retreating, of course, to the argument that the Imams were innocent victims of whitey abuse. You see, one thing that few seem to realize is that it's not just the terrorists who are against the west, but so called "moderates" themselves. Anyone who has taken the time to wander through CIC or Cair, or Cair-Can or check out the websites of various madrassas here in the west, can see for themselves that these folks are out to change the way we govern ourselves. The useful fool brigade always jumps on the bandwagon in defence of them, which is why they have such success using the tactics. I don't believe very many of the useful fool brigade has taken the time to look at the situation in any real depth, preferring instead to adopt a kneejerk defence of the poor down trodden "moderates," who are, pound for pound, much more dangerous to our way of life than the terrorists.

[Guest American Woman]

Pajama news only interviewed these two frightened women and were vague about what these men were doing. All we know is that they were swapping seats and taking out cameras. Were they laughing? Were they shouting praises to Allah? Were they giving threatening glances? If so, what kind?

Pajama news did not interview "two frightened women." Two concerned women contacted the author with their concerns, asking her to investigate the incident. And we know enough about what they were doing to know it was inappropriate. We know enough about the incident to know that the flight attendants asked them to stop and they didn't. We know enough about the incident to know that their behavior in not allowed on flights.

I've been on countless flights-- before 9-11 and after. These flights, before and after, include North America, Europe, Asia, and Africa. As I said earlier, passengers on 12+ hour non-stop flights have been asked to sit down. It had nothing to do with being Arab since not a single one of us was Arab. These are airline regulations, and these men were not abiding by them.

So far, no justification is given for the fear of these two women except their own. I don't care how they felt towards the situation, I'm more interested in knowing exactly what happened; I'd like to hear from the some other passengers, maybe one of the Muslim men for perspective.

You don't care how the women who were uncomfortable on the flight felt about the situation?-- But you'd like to know how other passengers felt, as well as maybe ONE of the Muslim men? Why would you not care what these two women felt? Why are their feelings of no consequence to you, while others' feelings are?

I have no problem admitting that what they did was incredibly unusual. But unusual to the point of being suspect if you shine the media lens at the right angle and your readership has a particular political leaning. Let's let the courts and the juries decide who's guilty. They have the evidence-- we have Pajama News.

Any "incredibly unusual" behavior on an airline is something that should be looked into. I say yes, let the courts and juries decide who's guilty. But these men evidently weren't even held for questioning. That's what I don't understand.

Sure there are those who fear/suspect anyone Muslim, and that's ignorant. But then you've got the opposite side of the coin-- ignorant comments like 'a twelve year old once killed someone so we better fear all 12 year olds.' Either position is just as ignorant in light of the fact that extremist Muslims ARE a real threat right now, whereas 12 year old girls aren't.

The fact is there is a very real threat to air travel, and anyone and everyone, regardless of the color of their skin, should be held accountable to the rules and regulations. I repeat again. ANY "incredibly unusual behavior," on an airline would be of concern to me and make me uncomfortable, regardless of nationality/color of skin. It's not difficult to understand why "incredibly unusual behavior" would have made the two passengers in question uncomfortable. I really don't understand your dismissing their feelings when you yourself admit the mens' behavior was "incredibly unusual." Why you don't think "incredibly unusual behavior" on a flight would be "justification" for their fear is difficult to understand.

If you don't think security should be concerned about "incredibly unusual behavior," I have to wonder where you are coming from.

Edited November 11, 2007 by American Woman

[jbg]

Any "incredibly unusual" behavior on an airline is something that should be looked into. I say yes, let the courts and juries decide who's guilty. But these men evidently weren't even held for questioning. That's what I don't understand.

The fact is there is a very real threat to air travel, and anyone and everyone, regardless of the color of their skin, should be held accountable to the rules and regulations. I repeat again. ANY "incredibly unusual behavior," on an airline would be of concern to me and make me uncomfortable, regardless of nationality/color of skin. It's not difficult to understand why "incredibly unusual behavior" would have made the two passengers in question uncomfortable. I really don't understand your dismissing their feelings when you yourself admit the mens' behavior was "incredibly unusual." Why you don't think "incredibly unusual behavior" on a flight would be "justification" for their fear is difficult to understand.

If you don't think security should be concerned about "incredibly unusual behavior," I have to wonder where you are coming from.

Good post. I do believe the Courts should summarily dismiss the lawsuits, and use the fact that these people exposed themselves to justice by suiing the people on the plane as a way to bring them to justice for interfering with aviation.

I agree that the Muslim/non-Muslim distinction is usually irrelevant. However, the Muslims knew, in this context, why people would be afraid of them. Reminds me of a visit to a relative years ago. They had a very friendly and affectionate Doberman Pinscher. The dog got to know that people who never saw him before would be afraid, so his greeting to newcomers was to plant his paws firmly on their chest, and lick their chin, knowing that many would be thoroughly terrified. Here, the Muslims have no "owners" present to let people know that they're harmless and just playing a prank.

Edited November 11, 2007 by jbg

[ScottSA]

Here, the Muslims have no "owners" present to let people know that they're harmless and just playing a prank.

Perhaps you've stumbled on a solution! We could open a slave market in Madison Square. Of course selling the females would be problematic, given the bagged aspect; sort of like selling a pig in a poke, so to speak. And it would open up whole new industries, what with chain makers and slave feed manufacturers, although I suppose it would depress the price of porkbellies, since feeding pork to Muslims has resulting in a few unfortunate incidents, as the British will attest to. And we could install a rating system, similar to the early roman law requiring anyone selling a slave to attach warnings on the slave's propensity to bolt. Things like "Prone to explode 3 weeks into Ramadan," "Easily provoked by cartoons," "May lick face, but generally harmless..."

Edited November 11, 2007 by ScottSA

[M.Dancer]

Honestly I have zero fear of flying...so I really couldn't care less if the plane is filled arabs, sikhs, irish, kurds, basque, tamils.........all doing the hokey pokey.....

...landing on the otherhand (one way or another) scares the crap out of me....so I prefer that the plane is seated with innocent babies and all of good god's children.....praying, for me.

[Moxie]

Good post. I do believe the Courts should summarily dismiss the lawsuits, and use the fact that these people exposed themselves to justice by suiing the people on the plane as a way to bring them to justice for interfering with aviation.

I agree that the Muslim/non-Muslim distinction is usually irrelevant. However, the Muslims knew, in this context, why people would be afraid of them. Reminds me of a visit to a relative years ago. They had a very friendly and affectionate Doberman Pinscher. The dog got to know that people who never saw him before would be afraid, so his greeting to newcomers was to plant his paws firmly on their chest, and lick their chin, knowing that many would be thoroughly terrified. Here, the Muslims have no "owners" present to let people know that they're harmless and just playing a prank.

Good analogy Jpg, the fact they aren't being charged for being a "Public Nusance" is absurb. These incidents aren't being reported by MSM media, WHY? Makes me wonder how bad is it up THERE. Can anyone really ask "Why would they be afraid" of this kind of behavior after Sept 11? Honestly ignorance is bliss, but to think this is just fluff is scary. I suspose 3000 people slaughtered using aircrafts as weapons isn't really an issue anymore, well until it happens again. Then it's to late to question this kind of behavior, kinda what they're hoping for