Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 However, with that said, I don't see a story here. No ads here have been approved. They haven't even been produced. They're doing research. Is this something their agency is doing? Have the ideas been presented? Are they doing other approaches and focus testing them? According the article, they have them ready to go. Just not sure they're stupid enough to actually run them. I think they go something like this: 1. According to Ignatieff's Canadian Gemini award winning documentary, he never ate Canadian bacon during it's filming. What does he have against Canadian bacon? Why does he hate Canadians so much that he refuses eat our bacon? Please save my bacon. A message from the party formally calling themselves Conservative. 2. According to Ignatieff's Canadian Gelber Award winning book, the paper he used did not come from a Canadian maple. It was printed on a Chinese elm. Why does he love the Chinese so much that he would turn his back on good old Canadian maple pulp? When we forged receipts in the "In and out" scandal, I can assure you they were on our own paper. Please help us return to pulp. A message from the party formally calling themselves Conservative. 3. When Ignatieff was Head of the Human Rights dep't at Harvard University, he once used the word 'we'. This was a direct insult on our party, simply because most of us can only handle single syllable words. Please make him stop verbally accosting us and return to big words most Canadians can understand. We need to make voters aware that they are smarter than us, to boost their self esteem. This will also give them hope that no matter how uneducated they are they can still earn more than $ 150,000.00 a year as a Conservative MP.A message from the party formally calling themselves Conservative 4. In Ignatieff's Canadian Governor General Award for Literature winning book, he never once mentioned the Canadian flag. Was this intentional? Why does he hate the Canadian flag? I may not have noticed them behind Dion/Layton/Duceppe when they copied my idea of a coalition, but sometimes I can identify them when I'm out in public. Please vote for me because sometimes I can recognize the Canadian flag. It is red and white, right? A message from the party formally calling themselves Conservative. If these guys really want to hilight Ignatieff's resume, I love it. But if they want to run attack ads when they should be trying to reassure Canadians that they actually know what they're doing, they deserve the backlash they will create. Stop campaigning and start governing. Prove that you can do the job, not just apply for it. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 All right now, it's sock it to `im time. Can't wait to see/hear what the brainiac has said/done is his 30+ years outside the "country that I love". He was making a name for himself which won him a place in Canadian who's who. All this while Harper was making speeches to American neo-cons, calling Canada a European Welfare State and urging them not to feel sorry for our unemployed because he didn't. Comforting reminders during mass layoffs. Two can play that game if Harper really wants to go there. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 That's it Harper haters roll out all the sorry old mischaracterizations, at least when the conservatives went after Dion they were spot on. Harper haters did not have to roll out anything. His record speaks for itself. He's bored with being a lame duck PM and is obviously looking for a way out. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 This situation is laughable. Is there a Tory political junkie in this forum that honestly believes John Q. Public will tolerate another CPC character assassination campaign as a substitute for a tight focus on the imploding economy?My guess after a month of negative ads the major poll numbers will read something like this: Liberal - 36% Conservative - 29% How gullible does Harper think voters are? Sober second thoughts will probably prevail. Exactly. Well said. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 The Neo-Cons of the North take every single political play/move right out of Rove's Republican handbook, and they are equally as ruthless. Very much like a political cult. The only thing is their Dion attacks ads did not endear them to Canadians. 850,000 Liberal voters from 2006 just stayed home, because there was no viable alternative. 170,000 Conservative voters from 2006 also stayed home. Ignatieff just has to be a viable alternative to Harper, and he is. The Cons can only attack not inspire and they have a horrible record to live down. Ignatieff does not. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
waldo Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 not a problem - Relevant & Truthful will be the guiding influence. and really... c'mon, who can have a problem when it's packaged with such a benign label as "research". Quote
August1991 Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 In and Out. Forged receipts to claim money they're not entitled to. Airbus. Campaign pamphlets charged to taxpayers. Military jets to hockey games. Tory entitlement. Try as you might there is simply no comparison.The Liberal elite anointed Ignatieff for one reason alone - to get power so that they can access the "spiles". Ignatieff/Liberals will say anything/do anything just to get the keys to the limos. There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever in my mind that the Liberals would crucify Harper if they could. Heck, Dobbin above referred to Harper as a "sociopath" while at the same time criticizing the Tories for even considering to attack Ignatieff. Liberal arrogance knows no bounds. ---- Ignatieff has many, many flaws and if you can't see them, then you're blindly partisan. As Harper said, the NDP can defend the vocal interests and the Liberals will defend the vested interests. But there are many ordinary silent Canadians who watch and will form their own opinion. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) Ignatieff has many, many flaws and if you can't see them, then you're blindly partisan. As Harper said, the NDP can defend the vocal interests and the Liberals will defend the vested interests. But there are many ordinary silent Canadians who watch and will form their own opinion. Who doesn't have flaws, but do those flaws impede their ability to govern? Harper is neo-partisan. This has impeded his abilty to govern as proven by the non-confidence vote. His priority while Canadians are losing their job, their homes and their hopes for the future, is to attack the other guy, instead of working with him to the benefit of Canadians. It doesn't get more partisan than that. Making broad generalizations like 'Liberal arrogance' without basis is just rhetoric. He can't ride the sponsorship scandal forever and at some point has to convince us why we should vote for him, and not just simply why we shouldn't vote for the other candidate. His hatred of the Liberals is clouding his judgement and drove people away from the polls last election. Ignatieff just has to bring them back. Edited March 2, 2009 by Progressive Tory Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Topaz Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 I think with more people losing their jobs and now have time to watch the Commons, they will come to realize that they may not getting their money worth from the the Tories. I've noticed that some of the men are putting on the weight from all that good eating they are doing, maybe its the stress of being on probation! Harper may think the attack ads will work again but its getting boring with the ads. Canadians want to KNOW what the Tories are doing NOT personal attacks on Iggy. Is that were this 3 Billion surplus is going??? I think the Libs should start and get some numbers from the voters and see how they feel about an election and how they feel about the Tories personal ads. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) I think the Libs should start and get some numbers from the voters and see how they feel about an election and how they feel about the Tories personal ads. It's because Ignatieff is polling well that the Conservatives are getting desperate. Last time they wasted money on pre-election attack ads, they didn't work. I'm surprised they're going down that road again. Tory attack ads only working with Conservative base, says poll They didn't even work with their base because they got 170,000 fewer votes in 2008, than 2006. You'd think they'd have learned their lesson. This is the poll they really should be looking at: Federal Conservative attack ads 'poisoned' election "The attack ads the Conservative Party of Canada launched during this fall's election campaign not only convinced some declared Liberals not to vote for their party, they turned even more Canadians off from voting entirely. Officials from Angus Reid Strategies on Thursday revealed polling results to The Vancouver Sun that showed the ubiquitous roll-of-the-dice TV ads that targeted Liberal leader Stephane Dion as a flip-flopping advocate of a carbon tax persuaded 11 per cent of Canadian respondents not to vote for any candidate at all. The roll-of-the-dice attack ad - as well as a series of anti-Dion TV spots that were broadcast soon after the Quebec MP was elected party leader in December 2006 - were key to producing the lowest voter turnout in Canadian electoral history, pollsters Andrew Grenville and Mario Canseco said in an interview" "...political advertising, Grenville argued his company's pre-election poll of 1,500 Canadians shows this year's hard-hitting Conservative ads were part of a disturbing trend that is "poisoning the well" of Canadian politics. And they claimed the Coalition was Undemocratic. Attack ads only work in the short term and they've got a long way to go. Edited March 2, 2009 by Progressive Tory Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
jdobbin Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever in my mind that the Liberals would crucify Harper if they could. Heck, Dobbin above referred to Harper as a "sociopath" while at the same time criticizing the Tories for even considering to attack Ignatieff. He is a sociopath because he keeps repeating what hasn't worked in the past at getting him a majority. Liberal arrogance knows no bounds. And Conservative attacks knows no bounds. Quote
MontyBurns Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 I heard a rumour that Ignatief plans to fill government cabinet positions with homosexuals, drug dealers and biker gangs once he is elected. Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
Keepitsimple Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) If they stick to facts and don't make things up, I don't have a problem with being aggressive in trying to portray someone through their past actions. With Ignatieff, there is plenty to pick on. Let's not forget that the Liberals will do just abouit anything to get back into power - that's a natural political instinct but its also a more devious and troubling one with all of the Liberal backroom old-boys working in the shadows. Jean Chretien was the ultimate alley-cat....poor old Stockwell Day...regardless of what you might think of him.....no sooner had he been appointed leader, Chretien ridiculed him and called an election - for no reason other than to pick on a weak opposition.....and let's not forget Paul Martin's shameful last gasps of how Harper's hidden agenda was going to destroy Canada......soldiers in the cities - we're no making this up. So.....nothing's happened yet - let's just see if any criticisms of Ignatieff are based on facts. Edited March 2, 2009 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
MontyBurns Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Let's not forget that the Liberals will do just abouit anything to get back into power - "We've got to get back to power" Stephane Dion Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 I heard a rumour that Ignatief plans to fill government cabinet positions with homosexuals, drug dealers and biker gangs once he is elected. You heard that too? It's going to be a great victory party. And you know what, in Ignatieff's books that have been translated into 12 different languages, and won numerous awards - all have a page 6 and a page 66! He has to be the devil. Just don't tell Conservative MP Maxime Bernier about the biker gangs or John Baird about the homosexuals. They'll be wanting to cross the floor, and we don't want them. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 "We've got to get back to power" Stephane Dion “It's the government's obligation to look really to the third parties to get the support to govern.” Stephen Harper “And I think the real problem that we're facing already is that the government doesn't accept that it got a minority.” Stephen Harper “What the government has to do, if it wants to govern for any length of time, is it must appeal primarily to the third parties in the House of Commons to get them to support it.” Stephen Harper "If you want to be a government in a minority Parliament, you have to work with other people.” Stephen Harper What's your point? Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
MontyBurns Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 You heard that too? It's going to be a great victory party. That's what I heard. I also heard that he is thinking about the sponsorship program again to help promote the Liberal party in Quebec. I don't know if this stuff I'm hearing is true but you know the old saying "Where there's smoke ...". Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
MontyBurns Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 What's your point? Here is another funny quote: "This is unfair." stephane Dion Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 I don't know if this stuff I'm hearing is true but you know the old saying "Where there's smoke ...". The only smoke is what the Conservatives are blowing. Don't worry though, nobody really believes anything they say anymore, but they've got a great theme song for the next campaign. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
MontyBurns Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) Don't worry though, nobody really believes anything they say anymore, As opposed to the ultra credible Liberal party. BTW why do you call yourself a tory? The Feminist Party in Sweden is more conservative than you are. Edited March 2, 2009 by MontyBurns Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Here is another funny quote:"This is unfair." stephane Dion Here are more funny quotes: "I do not intend to dispute in any way the need for defence cuts and the need for government spending cuts in general. …I do not share a not in my backyard approach to government spending reductions." - Stephen Harper "I’m not doing witch-hunts on people’s pasts.." Stephen Harper He supports defence cuts? Doesn't like witch-hunts? Hmm. Good to know. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
MontyBurns Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Here are more funny quotes:"I do not intend to dispute in any way the need for defence cuts and the need for government spending cuts in general. …I do not share a not in my backyard approach to government spending reductions." - Stephen Harper "I’m not doing witch-hunts on people’s pasts.." Stephen Harper He supports defence cuts? Doesn't like witch-hunts? Hmm. Good to know. These quotes aren't funny. How about: "Do you think it's easy to set priorities?" Stephane Dion Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
Topaz Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 I heard a rumour that Ignatief plans to fill government cabinet positions with homosexuals, drug dealers and biker gangs once he is elected. Well, lets see who Harper has....three ontarians EX-Mpps, looking for more pensions, at least two foreign car dealers, yes bring in those Korean cars, and he did have a former Pakistan general, who wasn't voted back in this last election but Harper used him as a advisor for Afghanistan and the Middle-East?? Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 As opposed to the ultra credible Liberal party.BTW why do you call yourself a tory? The Feminist Party in Sweden is more conservative than you are. I was a Progressive Conservative, something Harper calls an oxymoron; which was more to the centre. That party was disbanded, but I never liked Paul Martin as a PM (Only as a finance minister) and for awhile voted NDP. I turned away from Harper when he said that Canada should be in Iraq, but completely turned off him when he went on a rant against Canadians to save his job, and ran a campaign based entirely on lies. Now that the Liberals have a just left of centre leader, I'm backing Ignatieff. I worked on Flora MacDonald's campaign when she represented Kingston. If I lived in Sweden I would probably join the Feminist Party. Fortunately, with Ignatieff, women won't have to worry about fighting for our rights. I recently joined the Liberal Party and will do what I can to promote the Party locally. I haven't really been inspired since Flora retired, but am now inspired again. I will no longer have to hold my nose when I vote. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) These quotes aren't funny. How about:"Do you think it's easy to set priorities?" Stephane Dion See if these don't get you laughing out loud "If you don't want a deficit and recession, the only way to ensure that is the case is to vote for the Conservative party." - Stephen Harper (Oct. 12, 2008) "This country will not go into recession next year and will lead the G7 countries." - Stephen Harper (Oct. 10, 2008) "We will not run a deficit." Finance Minister Jim Flaherty (Oct. 9, 2008) National Post "Today’s budget will be the final act in a long transformation of Mr. Harper’s Conservative Party from a policy- driven, principled voice for conservatism to a process-driven electoral machine, intent only on surviving the coming budget vote and winning the next election." Now that's funny, but this'll be sure to please. Tick, tick, tick goes the debt "It's proof there's been an almost overnight shift in Canada's political zeitgeist, one that's worrying fiscal conservatives and probably going to shape politics for years to come: It's politically acceptable, once again, for politicians to spend more than the government takes in." Edited March 2, 2009 by Progressive Tory Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
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