buffycat Posted November 3, 2007 Report Posted November 3, 2007 (edited) Funny how we start off talking about riots which happen in the West, under this 'Judeo-Christian' belief system, then the conversation turns into yet another Muslim thread. (Or a diversion into someone's signature) What can one do but laugh? Edited November 3, 2007 by buffycat Quote "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind" ~ Ghandi
marcinmoka Posted November 3, 2007 Report Posted November 3, 2007 does it really matter when the US has the HOMELAND And the French have la "hexagone". So should we also be weary of nations adopting mathematical or geometrical terms. When the state is using the language of "parental security" it would be advisable to watch out!!! For the record, the ever oppressive ultra- colonial powers that are Poland and the Czech Republic also employ terms pertaining to concepts of a parental nature. History demonstrates that clearly. Those damned Czechs. They would enslave the world if they could! Quote " Influence is far more powerful than control"
DogOnPorch Posted November 3, 2007 Report Posted November 3, 2007 Funny how we start off talking about riots which happen in the West, under this 'Judeo-Christian' belief system, then the conversation turns into yet another Muslim thread. (Or a diversion into someone's signature) What can one do but laugh? You want to actually discuss soccer riots? Oh, I thought kuzadd started this thread to show that black = white and the sky = green. But OK...here we go... http://www.daneshjoo.org/article/publish/printer_3299.shtml Meanwhile...this link does have a soccer/football connection...n'est pas? http://www.rawa.org/zarmeena.htm What can one do but laugh? ---------------------------------------------------------------- A penalty is a cowardly way to score a goal. ---Pele Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kimmy Posted November 3, 2007 Report Posted November 3, 2007 Funny how we start off talking about riots which happen in the West, under this 'Judeo-Christian' belief system, then the conversation turns into yet another Muslim thread. Some claim that the Muslim rioting in France or the Netherlands is a protest against racism. But apparently others wish to equate it to soccer thugs. Ok, so is Muslim rioting in France and the Netherlands a political message from an oppressed community? Or is it random and pointless violence by a tiny number of hooligans? Because it can't be both things. It can't be one when it's convenient, and the other when it's not. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Moxie Posted November 3, 2007 Report Posted November 3, 2007 Some claim that the Muslim rioting in France or the Netherlands is a protest against racism.But apparently others wish to equate it to soccer thugs. Ok, so is Muslim rioting in France and the Netherlands a political message from an oppressed community? Or is it random and pointless violence by a tiny number of hooligans? Because it can't be both things. It can't be one when it's convenient, and the other when it's not. -k From my perspective it's random violence by thugs and the government gives them free pass to do it repeatedly using the Oppressed Community angle as an excuse not to enforce the rule of Law. Quote Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy
DogOnPorch Posted November 3, 2007 Report Posted November 3, 2007 When it's your car getting torched...it's thugs. When it's someone else's car...it's a political statement. ----------------------------------------------------- Jimmy Stewart: He killed a dog last night because the dog was scratching around in the garden. You know why? Because he had something buried in that garden that the dog scented. Lt. Doyle (Wendell Corey): Like an old hambone? Jimmy Stewart: I don't know what pet names Thorwald had for his wife. ---Rear Window Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
ScottSA Posted November 4, 2007 Report Posted November 4, 2007 When it's your car getting torched...it's thugs. When it's someone else's car...it's a political statement. That's quite good. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 4, 2007 Report Posted November 4, 2007 (edited) I think it is the ones that are NOT demonstrating Christian virtues that are rioting.But given my choice of living in Christian Italy with its occasional soccer riots and Muslim Iraq with its daily terrorist attacks I will take the former. And I think it's the one's who are not demonstrating Muslim values who are rioting. As for daily terrorist attacks in Iraq-- how many terrorist attacks were taking place before the U.S. invasion? The war the U.S. started is what brought on terrorist attacks in Iraq and it's safe to say that the majority of Americans will say our country's values are based on Christian values. We even pledge allegience to "one nation under God" and our currency states "in God we trust." Our POTUS ends just about every address to the nation with "God bless America." One thing no one can argue is that the Bush administration, which started this war, claims to have Christian values. Edited November 4, 2007 by American Woman Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 4, 2007 Report Posted November 4, 2007 (edited) Riots are riots no matter what the reason. A riot is not the same as a protest; it's wrong. Sometimes riots are politically motivated, and they're still wrong, but so are the 'root causes' behind the rioting. Rioting against injustices has certainly played a strong role in America's history. So some riots are due to social conditions that are also wrong. Some riots, such as soccor riots, are not due to anything wrong. They are simply a riot. Simply people acting out with violence with no arguably 'justifiable' reason whatsoever. And people from all religions take place in riots. That's the bottom line. Muslims do not, by any stretch of the imagination, have a monopoly on riots. So since all people riot, rioting is not a 'Muslim trait' as some apparently believe-- which I believe is the point of this thread. Edited November 4, 2007 by American Woman Quote
kuzadd Posted November 6, 2007 Author Report Posted November 6, 2007 Riots are riots no matter what the reason. A riot is not the same as a protest; it's wrong. Sometimes riots are politically motivated, and they're still wrong, but so are the 'root causes' behind the rioting. Rioting against injustices has certainly played a strong role in America's history. So some riots are due to social conditions that are also wrong. Some riots, such as soccor riots, are not due to anything wrong. They are simply a riot. Simply people acting out with violence with no arguably 'justifiable' reason whatsoever. And people from all religions take place in riots. That's the bottom line. Muslims do not, by any stretch of the imagination, have a monopoly on riots. So since all people riot, rioting is not a 'Muslim trait' as some apparently believe-- which I believe is the point of this thread. BAM! a direct hit! American woman, you the best. So since all people riot, rioting is not a 'Muslim trait' as some apparently believe-- which I believe is the point of this thread. This is exactly the point of the thread, rioting is done by many for many reasons, no one holds an exclusivity to it. I was surprised to find some thing rioting at soccer games is ok, is acceptable. The only reason it was ok, was because it was being done by "acceptable" people. Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
kuzadd Posted November 6, 2007 Author Report Posted November 6, 2007 Funny how we start off talking about riots which happen in the West, under this 'Judeo-Christian' belief system, then the conversation turns into yet another Muslim thread. (Or a diversion into someone's signature) What can one do but laugh? Yes, but 'western' societies don't riot, only Muslims do??(facetious) or so some wish to proclaim but when facts get in the way, diversion becomes the order of the day. Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
kuzadd Posted November 6, 2007 Author Report Posted November 6, 2007 Easy there, GI Jane. Seems we're both right. But does it matter, when Bush is using HOMELAND??? WHEN TWO historically tyrannical figures have the language of "HOME" and "FAMILY" to influence and make the populace comply with the STATE. What do you think BUSH is doing with the moniker the HOMELAND.??? Protecting the Homeland "Emphasizing that as we secure the Homeland we cannot simply rely on defensive approaches and well-planned response and recovery measures." Stalin, Hitler, Bush tyrannical dictatorships, ALL, and the people all got sucked in, save for the few. As the heat was turned up, slowly, on the domestic populace. But hey, have fun blaming Muslims, right? Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
White Doors Posted November 6, 2007 Report Posted November 6, 2007 you have fun comparing Bush to Hitler and Stalin! Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
DogOnPorch Posted November 6, 2007 Report Posted November 6, 2007 (edited) tyrannical dictatorships, ALL, and the people all got sucked in, save for the few.As the heat was turned up, slowly, on the domestic populace. kuzadd: both you and I will be dancing in the streets the day George and Dick are sent back to the ranch in Texas for good. Still a number of months off yet. How can we say this with certainty, though? It's simple. They don't have dictators in the US...they get voted in (chads and all) and after one or two terms (normally...see: FDR), they're gonzo for good never to return except on the Larry King Show. Did you see today's Doonesbury? Gave me a good chuckle.... Stalin was the planet's most successful gangster. Died of apparent natural causes still holding onto extreme absolute power. Now only if he'd been a nice old gangster like Carlo Gambino...lol. Hitler...a bit of an enigma. A true product of his times. Had he only gotten into art school... ------------------------------------------------ Bed goes up...bed goes down...bed goes up...bed goes down... ---Homer J. Simpson Edited November 7, 2007 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kuzadd Posted November 13, 2007 Author Report Posted November 13, 2007 (edited) Oh, it's not Muslims so it was missed.?? Apparently they still don't corner the market on riots Latest news!!!!!! http://www.abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3851431 Italian Soccer Fan Killed, Hundreds RiotItalian Soccer Fan Accidentally Killed by Police, Hundreds of Fans Riot in Rome so some cop shot a soccer fan dead riots broke out. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-11/...ent_7058950.htm rioting lingered: Italian soccer riot toll rises ROME, Nov. 12 (Xinhua) -- The toll of injuries among policemen rose to 40 Monday morning from a night of street violence around the city's Olympic Stadium in the wake of the fatal police shooting of a Lazio fan on Sunday morning. The most serious of the policemen injured was a police officer hit by a metal bar in an assault on a police station near the stadium. Doctors said it would take him about three weeks to recover. Three persons - two men and a woman - were arrested during the riots in which an estimated 500 Lazio and Roma fans attacked three police stations and the headquarters of the Italian Olympic Committee (CONI). Damage to various buildings and vehicles was said to be "incalculable". Authorities were set to meet later in the day to decide possible further measures against hooliganism in the wake of a crackdown after a policeman's death in February . buildings and vehicles damaged in the rampaging riots! what is the problem here?? in this western society? the religion.? Patriarchal ideology? what are the flaws, are they innate? inherited? genetic? learned? EDIT This was the Opening Post of a multiple thread entitled: Riots in Italy-morals in the west ,where are they? another soccer riot-people die, battles in the streets addressing the same topic. The two threads have been merged. Edited November 13, 2007 by Charles Anthony merged redundant threads Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
kuzadd Posted November 13, 2007 Author Report Posted November 13, 2007 (edited) kuzadd: both you and I will be dancing in the streets the day George and Dick are sent back to the ranch in Texas for good. Still a number of months off yet. How can we say this with certainty, though? It's simple. They don't have dictators in the US...they get voted in (chads and all) and after one or two terms (normally...see: FDR), they're gonzo for good never to return except on the Larry King Show.------------------------------------------------ Bed goes up...bed goes down...bed goes up...bed goes down... ---Homer J. Simpson DOP: it's irrelevant if George is there or not, he is simply the man of the time. The office of el presidente is loaded with power, the Bush regime has made sure of that. Wether the next leader is Hillary (dem) or Guiliani (repub) will make no difference. If the power is held in a centralized fashion, in the office of the president, tyranny will ensue. Hitler was elected,also. Tyranny happens. Edited November 13, 2007 by kuzadd Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
kuzadd Posted November 13, 2007 Author Report Posted November 13, 2007 (edited) Charles Anthony" addressing the same topic. The two threads have been merged I figured you would do that CA, but I took my chance, noting the endless/repeating Muslim bashing threads that are allowed. How many of those can we have? They are always the same. Muslims bad-they riot Muslims bad-they wear headscarfs Muslims bad-they want a footbath Muslims bad-perpetrators of all violence on the planet Muslims bad-there religion is evil The premise is always the same, only the reasons to justify the false premise change. Edited November 13, 2007 by kuzadd Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
kuzadd Posted November 13, 2007 Author Report Posted November 13, 2007 DOP: If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.James Madison. Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
Leafless Posted November 13, 2007 Report Posted November 13, 2007 what is the problem here??in this western society? the religion.? Patriarchal ideology? what are the flaws, are they innate? inherited? genetic? learned? Third world countries and European countries are emotional misfits, that is what the problem is. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2007 Report Posted November 13, 2007 DOP: it's irrelevant if George is there or not, he is simply the man of the time.The office of el presidente is loaded with power, the Bush regime has made sure of that. There are good Presidents and bad ones. GWB was/is a bad one...FDR was a good one...IMO. Intelligence also makes for a good President which is why Clinton was a success no matter who he invited into the Oval Office for a wee bit-o-fun. Nixon as well...sharp as a tack...too bad he thought he was smart enough to get away with some really dumb things... Wether(sic) the next leader is Hillary (dem) or Guiliani (repub) will make no difference. I think it will indeed matter who. Guiliani was seen with Pat Robertson...taking the proverbial kiss on the ring. He lost any respect I had for him right there...but if you're a Republican running for President, not pandering to the church might be political suicide. So there we go...yet again. If the power is held in a centralized fashion, in the office of the president, tyranny will ensue. Ain't quite that bad...yet. America has a wonderful set of checks and balances that make sure nobody gets to do everything one wants. Even Georgie Bush... Hitler was elected,also. Tyranny happens. Germany at the time was a huge mess. True, he was elected in a sense...but it was Paul von Hindenburg that gave him the real power...no voting booth in sight. --------------------------------------------------------------- As an English General has very truly said, 'The German army was stabbed in the back.' ---General Paul von Hindenburg Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted November 13, 2007 Report Posted November 13, 2007 Italian Soccer Fan Killed, Hundreds RiotItalian Soccer Fan Accidentally Killed by Police, Hundreds of Fans Riot in Rome Heheh...did you miss this one? http://www.daneshjoo.org/article/publish/printer_3299.shtml ------------------------------------------------------ Pele: Pele is king of the soccer field. To be king of your kitchen, use Crestfield wax paper. (He is handed a bag of money and walks off. The game starts, and the crowd cheers. The Mexican team kicks off, and pass it between them, again and again... and again... The crowd becomes quiet.) Homer: Boring! Krusty the Klown: Come on, you schnorrers, do something! ---The Simpsons Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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