Anglophone Quebcers leaving the province

[jdobbin]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

Young anglophones are leaving Quebec and heading west, despite job opportunities in their own province, analysts say.

DJ Randi Plante has taken a job offer in Edmonton, after spending two years working for Montreal's MIX 96 radio.

She's now looking forward to reuniting with friends who have already moved away.

"Four of my girlfriends from high school are in Edmonton, two are in Calgary and three are in Vancouver," said Plante, who was born in Quebec.

Analysts say she represents a growing trend.

"In the 20 to 40 age range for young anglophones, we've seen a few thousand leave in 2006 to 2007, which is quite substantial," demographer Jack Jedwab told CTV Montreal.

In 2003, more people migrated to Quebec than left, but in recent years Quebec has lost more and more residents.

In 2006, the province lost 12,619 people. That was more than double the amount of the previous year, which was 4,874.

From April to June of this year alone, 5,756 have left.

I suppose this is no different than the same age group which seems to be migrating from every province to the west.

[Leafless]

I suppose this is no different than the same age group which seems to be migrating from every province to the west.

No, you are wrong.

Most Canadians do not know that the Province of Quebec has an English population. That is because the politicians in Quebec are KILLING our language and culture. Federal Politicians are NOT helping the Anglophone community in Quebec either. In fact Mr. Harper has embraced the Francophone minorities in other Provinces but NOT done one single thing for the Anglophone community in Quebec!!!

http://worldunited-stewart.blogspot.com/20...-no-rights.html

[Leafless]

And here is more:

http://www.languagefairness.org/Quotes.php

[capricorn]

Here's a different take on the emigration from Quebec.

"Statistics Canada revealed 12,577 people left Quebec between April and June of this year, bringing to more than 40,000 the number who have moved away since mid-2006"

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/ca...4fafebd&p=1

That's a huge exodus that cannot be simply explained by youth leaving for economic reasons. I think it is mostly as a result of the backlash against multiculturalism that is manifest in Quebec today.

What convinced me more of this fact is this analysis by Barbara Kay.

http://communities.canada.com/nationalpost...eparatists.aspx

[seabee]

Or there may be another, simpler explanation.

Quebec has the largest proportion of french-english bilingual people, and also of trilingual people. Other things being equal, they have a definite advantage for getting a better job, even with a premium, in other provinces where fr-eng bilingual people are hard to find.

[capricorn]

Or there may be another, simpler explanation.

Quebec has the largest proportion of french-english bilingual people, and also of trilingual people. Other things being equal, they have a definite advantage for getting a better job, even with a premium, in other provinces where fr-eng bilingual people are hard to find.

Yes, I'm sure some who left Quebec fit into the category you describe. But 40,000 in just over a year? Something else is happening. The next year's numbers will be interesting.

[August1991]

Or there may be another, simpler explanation.

Or there could be an even simpler explanation. The truth.

This National Post article is highly misleading since it only refers to people leaving Quebec without reference to people entering Quebec. IOW, it does not refer to net migration.

Furthermore, the number of people departing Quebec has been roughly declining from around 50,000 per year in the late 1970s to as low as 25,000 in 2003. Since the mid-1980s, the numbers have varied between 30,000 to 40,000. Given in-migration which varies between 20,000 to 30,000, net out-migration is around 10,000 and if there's a trend, it is downward.

[This Statcan data unfortunately requires subscription and so I can't provide a link.]

BTW, Statcan does not collect data on the language of these people so there is no way to know whether these are anglophones, francophones or bilingual people. Moreover, Quebec receives about 40,000 immigrants per year from abroad. Once again, we don't know if the people leaving Quebec are recent immigrants or not.

Statcan compiles its data based on claims for tax credits, I believe.

Incidentally, in the last few years, Ontario has shown a net out-migration also. There's no doubt in mind that the price of oil is a magnet attracting people to Alberta. For example, if I take the first quarter of 2007, 7368 people left Quebec and 19525 left Ontario.

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Faced with falling readership, newspapers in general and the National Post in particular seem to make more sensational claims. The front pages of newspapers seem to have larger fonts and seem to resemble weekly magazine covers. Dunno.

Anyway, this is shoddy journalism. The National Post is indulging in a form of Quebec-bashing apparently in an attempt to boost sales.

Edited October 30, 2007 by August1991

[Leafless]

Or there may be another, simpler explanation.

Quebec has the largest proportion of french-english bilingual people, and also of trilingual people. Other things being equal, they have a definite advantage for getting a better job, even with a premium, in other provinces where fr-eng bilingual people are hard to find.

Then why aren't bilingual Francophones leaving the province of Quebec in search of better job opportunities they are supposedly so qualified for?

According to an article in a Gatineau, Quebec paper 'The Bulletin, Wed. Oct. 27/2007', 42% of Quebecers do not pay taxes.

It seems to me Quebec needs all the minorities it can get a hold of working and staying in Quebec for its own survival and prosperity.

Nothing like shooting yourself in the foot, is there?

Edited October 30, 2007 by Leafless

[August1991]

According to an article in a Gatineau, Quebec paper 'The Bulletin, Wed. Oct. 27/2007', 42% of Quebecers do not pay taxes.

That's an entirely false statistic - as opposed to the merely misleading statistics that the National Post and CTV present.

In case you are interested in this Leafless, here's a link to the percentage of people in Quebec who paid federal income taxes. The data was taken from the Canada Revenue Website.

[ScottSA]

What convinced me more of this fact is this analysis by Barbara Kay.

http://communities.canada.com/nationalpost...eparatists.aspx

Excellent. Now if we can instill the same spirit of cultural protectionism in the rest of canada, we might end up surviving.

[capricorn]

Excellent. Now if we can instill the same spirit of cultural protectionism in the rest of canada, we might end up surviving.

Oh, I think it's already there. But outside Quebec it's more under the surface, and still taboo to discuss and debate openly. Charest's critics have accused him of having formed the commission on cultural diversity for the sole purpose of avoiding the hard questions. That may be true. Yet, he has provided a forum for Quebecers to air their concerns over reasonable accommodation demanded by immigrants that is tugging at basic Quebec values, norms and culture.

We need to pay particular attention to what is going on in Quebec at this time. Those outside Quebec may learn a thing or two.

[jbg]

Deleted. Repeat post.

Edited November 5, 2007 by jbg

[M.Dancer]

I left in 83. Not for liguistic or political reasons, but because I had broke up with my longtime girlfriend and our circle of friends were so entwined that it made it hard for each of us to meet new people without bumping into each other.

My brother is still there, living in the Point St Charles and working in logistics and my nephew is a manager with BMO, a position which pay substantially more there than elsewhere in Canada because he is fluent in both languages. As side from that most of my friends have moved away, not for language or politics, but for opportunity. The late 80s and early 90s were bleak for ambitious young adults in Montreal and opportunity beckoned elsewhere, mainly Vancouver....

[kimmy]

Guy Bertrand: a real prick.

M. Bertrand lashes out against Montreal Canadiens captain Saku Koivu for not being very fluent in French. He goes on to lash out against Concordia University and Dawson College for having English-language education, and at a new teaching hospital at McGill that he believes caters to Anglos. 40% of immigrants choose English! Montreal is now only 53% French!

Personally, I really hope Monsieur Bertrand and his ilk get their way. I sincerely do.

I hope they're given free reign to ramp up language persecution as much as they want. I hope they given the power to drive the remaining Anglos out of Montreal for good. I hope they're allowed to make life so intolerable for Anglos in Quebec that none would even consider going there. I hope that Quebec businesses find themselves unable to find any professionals willing to relocate to Quebec, and find themselves forced to move their operations elsewhere. I hope Quebec finds itself left with nobody except the the Pur Laine and the immigrants that are so desperate they don't care where they wind up as long as it's not back home.

I hope the language totalitarians get exactly the kind of society they want to build. That would please my sense of justice.

I hope all their wishes come true.

-k

[jbg]

I hope the language totalitarians get exactly the kind of society they want to build. That would please my sense of justice.

I hope all their wishes come true.

Me too. I felt that way in 1976, when the Jewish community, feeling expelled, moved out en masse. Montreal's Jewish community has dropped from about 150,000 to about 75,000, and Toronto's changed in inverse proportions.

Of course, it didn't start in 1976; in 1967 my first Hebrew School teacher was a lovely English-speaking Montrealer who moved to the New York City suburbs. The family of my band-exchange host in Toronto (spring of 1973) had moved from Montreal about six years earlier (the father was Jewish). Apparently, the pure 'lainers feel/felt the same way about the Jews as the Frenchmen who packed Jews on the trains at Drancy during the 1940's.

[Topaz]

Here's another way things could go. IF the SPP goes through and Canada, US and Mexico become ONE country, I think Quebec would try to become their own country and all people born there may go back to live in Quebec. Would the languages become English, Spanish and French officially if this were to happen??? I believe that since Harper and the Libs want this to happen, he's trying to divide the country so the SPP can conquer it. He's peeve off the Maritimes, there talk of Quebec and Alberta separating.

[kimmy]

Why are you trying to derail this thread with fantasy-inspired nonsense about SPP?

-k

[jbg]

Why are you trying to derail this thread with fantasy-inspired nonsense about SPP?

Because he can't answer my post or yours on the merits.

[Moxie]

Why are you trying to derail this thread with fantasy-inspired nonsense about SPP?

-k

I need more tinfoil Kimmy, got any spare lying around?

Quebec is similar to Nova Scotia, the young can't find job opportunities there. If English is your only language you have few career options.

[Leafless]

I need more tinfoil Kimmy, got any spare lying around?

Quebec is similar to Nova Scotia, the young can't find job opportunities there. If English is your only language you have few career options.

Even if you are English and bilingual, forget most job opportunities in Quebec if your last name is English.

[M.Dancer]

Even if you are English and bilingual, forget most job opportunities in Quebec if your last name is English.

I guess our Scot's name is the reason my family thrived in Montreal.....

I wonder how many topics you would participate in if you confined your posts to subjects you actually knew something about?

[August1991]

M. Bertrand lashes out against Montreal Canadiens captain Saku Koivu for not being very fluent in French. He goes on to lash out against Concordia University and Dawson College for having English-language education, and at a new teaching hospital at McGill that he believes caters to Anglos....

Guy Bertrand always lashes out because Guy Bertrand is the Quebec equivalent of Brittney Spears: he's a publicity whore.

I think at one time or another he has taken every position imaginable on Quebec's National Question. He's a beau parleur who always takes a contrarian position. I think we've all met people like this in life and in general, it's wise to avoid them. The only explanation that I have for his continued presence in public affairs is that he's presentable (his now white hair makes him look like Marcus Welby) and he speaks eloquent French (even though his meaning is often nonsensical). Quebec has several characters like this.

In his latest incarnation, for some unfathomable reason except the visuals, he appeared before the Taylor-Bouchard Commission with two black women beside him. Dunno why.

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One has to understand that Quebec is a society of several million French-speaking people in a continent of several hundred million primarily English-speaking people. Assimilation is a constant fear.

Edited November 3, 2007 by August1991

[Leafless]

I guess our Scot's name is the reason my family thrived in Montreal.....

By 2001 50% of of mother-tongue anglophones had left the province. I guess your family preferred to be discriminated upon and treated like second or third class citizens. Good show, Dancer.

I wonder how many topics you would participate in if you confined your posts to subjects you actually knew something about?

I am unlike you, everything to everybody, a man without class or standards or convictions.

[jbg]

One has to understand that Quebec is a society of several million French-speaking people in a continent of several hundred million primarily English-speaking people. Assimilation is a constant fear.

Whose fear, the politicians' whose fortunes rise and fall on statism and divisiveness?

[M.Dancer]

I am unlike you, everything to everybody, a man without class or standards or convictions.

I agree, you have no class......but I bet a background check would show some convictions.....