M.Dancer Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 The way I read it is that if Iran attacks Israel with a nuclear weapon, we are gonna have world war III.And some are asking "Why Israel? Why not Tibet?" There you have it, JBG. You walked into that one, bud. That question should be directed to the Iranians.....God knows Tiobet has it coming but instead they (the Persians) have a huge hate on over Israel...... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
ScottSA Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 Higgly, do you see no difference bewteen Iran and Israel? Is your ability to discriminate so weakened? Those are the wages of imbuing a generation of schoolkids with the notion that discrimination is a bad word. I'm doing some study on the historical process by which this metamorphosis took place in western thought, and I haven't quite got there yet, but the mechanism appears to be this, in a nutshell: A bunch of deconstructionists got together, took a look at history, and decided in the postwar period (the roots are much older, of course) that "discrimination" as it applied to race/religion/culture was the cause of many, if not all, wars. From this grew the ideation of multiculture, and from the practical considerations of multiculture praxis grew the need for "acceptance" of other cultures. So the original notion was released to the general population where it lost all nuance and has been paraded around since as a pan-TRVTH. Concepts tend to flip and reverse like that when they are picked up by lesser, dare I say less-discriminating, minds. They need only point to a single example of discrimination with poor results (eg: drinking fountains for blacks & whites) in order to make the case, to their own satisfaction at least, that therefore ALL discrimination is wrong. This extrapolation from the specific to the general is laughable to anyone who has been within 1000 yards of a logic 101 class, but it makes perfect sense to some. The reason this ridiculous mode of thought gained so much currency in liberal circles is the inherent racism of the left and its ability to excuse all manner of nastiness done by little brown people, because they are little brown people; that is, because they can't be held to the same standard as "us." But that's another story. Quote
Topaz Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 If you go to www.drudge.com he has what the VP and the Prez said. What it said about Bush was that Bush said if Iran keeping doing what its doing than WW3 could happen. It does take two to tango, so one would think Bush and Cheney would go and bomb Iran along with some of their allies which would be who...Israel? I can't see any other country getting into a nuke war and if Bush does he'll regret it. Russia and China wouldn't be happy and he could get more US troops killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Remember , I told you they have this plan to go into Iran and seems to me , that's exactly the way they are talking. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 America's not going to use nuclear weapons on 3rd world bush wars anymore than you're going to take a 7lb sledge hammer and give your car a makeover. ------------------------------------------------------- In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in twelve years, we'll be voting for plants. ---Lewis Black Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 ...I can't see any other country getting into a nuke war and if Bush does he'll regret it. Russia and China wouldn't be happy and he could get more US troops killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Remember , I told you they have this plan to go into Iran and seems to me , that's exactly the way they are talking. The US had a plan to "go into" Iran since at least 1979. But to answer your question, France has already threatened Iran with armed intervention. So much for that theory.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 If you go to www.drudge.com he has what the VP and the Prez said.Let me help you. Go here. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Peter F Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 (edited) Great point, August 1991. Actually its a terrible point. What is rogue-like about Iran? That is, outside of the usual propping up insurgencies in other nations to protect their international interests? sorta like Israel propping up militias in Lebanon and the USofA propping up freedom fighters in central America? Edited October 23, 2007 by Peter F Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
ScottSA Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 Actually its a terrible point. What is rogue-like about Iran? That is, outside of the usual propping up insurgencies in other nations to protect their international interests? sorta like Israel propping up militias in Lebanon and the USofA propping up freedom fighters in central America? You obviously don't have the reasoning capacity to distinguish between the good guys and the bad. I don't suppose you recall several nuns being killed in South America by the "propped up" insurgents, do you? Wait, I bet you do. You do because it caused a decade long stir and renewed calls for a halt to the help we were giving them. The episode was seen by everyone, including the US government, as a mark of deep shame on the US. But what happens in Iran when some thug blows himself up in a crowd of innocents? Their relatives are feted and their pictures paraded around like heros. Have you sunk so low into amoral nihilism that you don't see the difference? Quote
Peter F Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 (edited) You obviously don't have the reasoning capacity to distinguish between the good guys and the bad. I don't suppose you recall several nuns being killed in South America by the "propped up" insurgents, do you? Wait, I bet you do. You do because it caused a decade long stir and renewed calls for a halt to the help we were giving them. The episode was seen by everyone, including the US government, as a mark of deep shame on the US. But what happens in Iran when some thug blows himself up in a crowd of innocents? Their relatives are feted and their pictures paraded around like heros. Have you sunk so low into amoral nihilism that you don't see the difference? sure I recall the event...an unintended consequence of fireing up the rightwing commiehaters. The shame wasnt on the US, the shame was on the freaks who committed the crime. Meanwhile, back to Iran being a rogue state. What is particularly roguish about Iran? as an aside, you do a fair amount of gung-ho cheering whenever muslims get thier heads cracked - so save the second face for your conference. Edited October 23, 2007 by Peter F Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
jbg Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 Meanwhile, back to Iran being a rogue state. What is particularly roguish about Iran?You'd be the first to criticize a Western country for denying the existence of, or executing gays. How would the folks that belong on Rabble (link) feel about that? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Peter F Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 You'd be the first to criticize a Western country for denying the existence of, or executing gays. How would the folks that belong on Rabble (link) feel about that? I most certainly do think draconian law is a very very bad thing. I certainly am glad that I don't live under such system. But, Iran is not the only nation to criminalize homosexuality. Iran, as a sovereign state, can enact whatever laws they feel are appropriate. What makes Iran a rogue state? Its adherence to Sharia Law? As regards rabble.ca, I've never been there. Perhaps you should ask them how they feel about it. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
jbg Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 But, Iran is not the only nation to criminalize homosexuality. Iran, as a sovereign state, can enact whatever laws they feel are appropriate. What makes Iran a rogue state? Its adherence to Sharia Law? Israel is an independent state also and I'm quite sure you have problems with their identity as a Jewish state. As regards rabble.ca, I've never been there. Perhaps you should ask them how they feel about it.You'd enjoy that site. You'd have a nice set of syncophants. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Peter F Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 Israel is an independent state also and I'm quite sure you have problems with their identity as a Jewish state.You'd enjoy that site. You'd have a nice set of syncophants. Afghanisan identifies itself as an Islamic Republic ; Israel can identify itself as a Jewish state - or not, as they wish. Thats thier business. So you are surely wrong. I care not what Israel calls itself. As for syncophants - I don't desire the circle jerk, unlike many on this forum 'oooh we're so good, ooooh we're better than them..." Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
jbg Posted October 24, 2007 Report Posted October 24, 2007 Afghanisan identifies itself as an Islamic Republic ; Israel can identify itself as a Jewish state - or not, as they wish. Thats thier business. So you are surely wrong. I care not what Israel calls itself. Israel didn't come close to executing a convert from Judaism. Afghanistan did last year, until the US and Canada asked what they were fighting for if that was the kind of country Afghanistan was again becoming. As for syncophants - I don't desire the circle jerk, unlike many on this forum 'oooh we're so good, ooooh we're better than them..."No, Rabble is the circle jerk. This forum, for better or worse (I think better) has debate. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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