ScottBrison

As I predicted: Once the Gomery commission found Martin not culpable the Conservative Alliance would say the Gomery commission was bogus. Of course as has already been said if the Gomery commission ruled in favor of the CPC mantra they would be tripping over themselves to say it's legitimate.

As much as a victory this is for all of us who said Martin shouldn't be held to blame for actions of those around him this still doesn't mean the Conservative Alliance will back down, why would they let a little thing like truth get in the way of their mad lust for power?

What we'll see next spring is Stephen Harper in the Primeministerial chair. After reading an article by Miro Cernetic in today's Vancouver Sun (page A3), I'm pretty damn sure that THE MOMENT that Stephen Harper starts poking fun at Martin's insistence on selling softwood to the Chinese, his Conservatives will take a giant leap forward in the polls. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Man, you've got to be desperate for spin to resurrect an almost 2 year old thread......

Ya, I too think Chretien set up Martin, and as for him being made Finance Minister, it was probably to heal a divided party.

I have full faith in our political system, I mean so far it's kept the Fascists out.

Liberals contemplating fall election <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The quicker we get a Liberal Majority back into the House the better, I'm sick of the damn Fascist Conservative Alliance trying to send Canada back to the 1800s in terms of Social Policy.

Predicting Elections, interesting..... On a completly unrelated topic I have it on good authority the 6-49 numbers for this week's draw will be: 6 9 18 22 43 47

What the Hell are they talking about? I knew that the money couldn't be touched until 2006 ages ago, where the Hell were they?

And we'll firmly stand behind our brothers and sisters in the UK. Oh wait, we have no military force to help them out anyway. I'd just like to take this time to thank everyone who sold our sovereignty to the United States by relying on their military. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You mean the Conservatives cancelling the Avro Arrow? Or the current crop who wanted to be Bush's lap dog?

I'd just like to take this opportunity to send my (and I hope everyone here's) heartfelt condolances to those killed, wounded, and affected by the Bombings in London today. Sort of stirs up feelings of that grim September day not so long ago. http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07...tube/index.html

Your arguments are so ignorant it's difficult to even post a serious reply to you. The kickbacks were used as campaign funds and deposited into the bank accounts of friends and families all the way up every rung of the Liberal ladder. This game of "it was only a few rogue MPs involved" is about as asinine as saying the mob boss is innocent because he didn't pull the trigger or organize the activities of the mafia. Like the Teflon Don, I expect Chretien and Martin to get off smelling like roses after this entire thing pans out too. Your comparison to the president of a country's intelligent being an indicator of the intelligence of ALL americans is plainly stupid and has no parrallel to the situation we're talking about. And to even suggest that the Conservative Party is anything even remotely resembling the Republican Party in the United States is equally asinine. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ok, since you're obviously living in the land of make believe I'll send you a copy of Mr. Rogers on DVD. Lets wait until Gomery issues his report and then we'll find out who's really responsible, and if you had bothered to read my post you would know I was saying I DIDN'T D-I-D-N-'-T think everyone in the states was an idiot because Bush is their President. And like it or not pal your party is exactly like the Republicans, the only difference is the Bush Administration comes right out and tells you how ignorant they are, the Conservatives are trying to hide it to obtain power and then we'll all know and be repulsed by how many simularities there are.

Martin bought Belinda, and she was more than willing to go. She cared more about her personal career than representing her riding, she deserves every nasty word or bad publicity that gets thrown her way. It had nothing whatsoever to do with leadership. Refer to my earlier post on media portrayals, and how they oftentimes are wrong =p As for doing as they accuse others of doing, explain how exactly they could be responsible for the scandals and money-laundering they are currently accusing the Liberals of? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, I've seen Stephen Harper doing a lot of work for Calgary West since he's been making wild stabs at power. I wonder if he's even been to his riding since he's been elected. And since we're on the subject of buying Harper bought MacKay, he was more than willing to sell and only wanted to be part of a larger party and someday be it's leader. Of Course media portrayls are sometimes wrong, I mean Hell we can't have all Liberal media! The Conservatives wouldn't be able to launch massive misinformation campaigns! Where would the fun in that be?

In another thread you say you're objective, then in this post you toss around labels like "tyrant" as if it's an undeniable truth. Harper is angry that the Canadian public is giving their money to criminals that are squandering it for their own personal benefit. That should make more than just Stephen Harper angry. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm angry about it too, the difference is I UNDERSTAND it wasn't the whole Liberal party who did it. I'm not into this whole "Guilt by association" thing the Conservatives are throwing around, otherwise I'd believe all Americans are idiots because Dubya is an idiot, I know that's not true, and I feel for the poor Liberals down in the States who have to see their country be destroyed by the far right, and prey to God each and every day it doesn't happen here.

Well, Harper's handling of her defection was certainly poor. And it seems as though Harper's management during the time between Brault's testimony and the key vote was a major factor in her leaving. Even discounting Belinda's claim that she left because she didn't believe they should force an election, the Liberals would probably not have offered such a hefty incentive for her to cross the floor had Harper not been trying to bring down the government. And supposedly a big factor in her decision to quit the CPC was Harper calling her into his office to berate her just days earlier. Not a good management move at such a crucial time... Here are some major blunders Harper made during that key time: -as soon as polls started looking favorable, Harper started feeding speculation that he'd force an election ASAP. So instead of talking about the Gomery testimony, the media was talking about Harper forcing an election. Dumb move. The right move would have been to keep the press focused on the Gomery stuff and indicate that they were going to vote on the budget, not on Brault (truth or not, that would have been the right thing to tell the press.) -the procedural non-confidence motion. I know you believe that precident indicated the government should have immediately held a formal confidence vote after losing that vote. Maybe Harper had precident on his side or maybe not... but either way, it was also a dumb move. It made him look like a sneaky opportunist. The right move would simply have been to focus public attention on the government's move to reschedule opposition days, point out how desperate it looked, and remind everyone that the Liberals can't hide forever. -the handling of the Stronach affair. Whether or not he personally shoved her out the door, the party's handling of the aftermath was rather poor. -his dogged determination in standing behind Grewal. Enough said. I don't think any of this shows him to be a smart tactician. It strikes me as ... well, a lot of people seem to think he's passionless and emotionless... C3P0 or whatever... but I think under the icy facade he's got a lot of anger for the Liberals... and I think it got the best of him. Exactly, when you are the Prime Minister of Canada you have to be a brilliant tactician, you need to either make no mistakes, or minimize the damage of those mistakes because Canada, due to it's small population is always teetering on the brink of obscurity. Quite Simply Canada would either be completely irrelivant, or a "yes man" for the United States of Dubya were Harper to become Prime Minister.

First of all, she wasn't bribed she came to them and as a member of the shadow cabinet was placed in an equal position on the other side, secondly it was Harpers own idiocy that CAUSED her to leave in the first place. Making it clear to her she was never going to be leader? What is the CPC a dictatorship? That's not his decision it's the decision of Conservative delegates. I think the only reason they haven't dumped Harper is they know the Liberals would call a snap election right when the new leader took office and they would be annihilated.

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As opposed to any Conservative Surpluses which come from Magic Money Fairies. Oh no! High EI Premiums! I don't know how I'll handle that extra $10 (if that) off my paycheck every month! Especially when I know it goes towards those unimportant things like Debt reduction, health care, infastructure, etc. I will admit it is a pain in the ass when governments collect taxes for one thing and then spend it on another, like here in N.S. the Tories brought in Gas taxes saying the money would go to roads first. Word of advice, if your driving down to Nova Scotia make sure you have good shocks on your car. Otherwise you'll be bouncing around like a plate of jellow in an 9.4 earthquake.

It would take a major doctrinal shift toward the center and personnelle changes before I would even consider voting for the Conservatives. Maybe when I've grown old and don't give a shit about the future since I won't be here to have to live with the consequences I'll vote for them. I definatly wouldn't ever vote for Peter MacKay though, why would anyone vote for a man that sold his soul and sold out his own party? What does that say about him? how bad would things have to get before he sold out Canada as well? Say what you like about Scott Brison, at least he stood up for his principals instead of whoring himself like MacKay did.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

I anticipated this sort of simplistic response. First: to say Alberta's success is due to oil is to say that Ontario's succes is due to manufacturing. It's ridiculous. Of course Ontario's success is due to manufacturing. Just like the maritimes economic succes depends upon fisheries, or Cancun's depend's upon tourism. How simplistic can you get. I mean -- NO SHIT!! All economic regions have economic drivers, but the previous poster is right; alberta eliminated it's deficit when oil was at $10/barrel. Bulletin to the rest of the country: that's what you do! Tighten your belt when times are hard, then when times turn you will be in an excellent positionheld to take advantage of it. Alberta is spending literally BILLIONS on education, health and even a publicly held endownment for times when oil prices are low. This is called smart management. The rest of Canada can snarl all it wants in an effort to poo-poo good government, but we are laughing all the way to the bank in Alberta because we are smart. Keep doing your own little money-shuffle, money-stealing games all you want out east you retards -- we are living GOOD and pretty out here. Take a lesson. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ok.... Try selling a barrel of oil try selling a fish TAKE A LESSON.

Yeah man, I admire Alberta greatly, they've had it so rough, I mean it sure is tough dealing with finances when you got an oil patch in your backyard..... ....Hell even Jed Clampett was livin high on the hog when he discovered his "bubblin crude." Then take a look at how well Conservative Governments have done when they didn't hit the 6/49 on the texas tea, They ran Canada into the ground during the Mulroney years (and now have the audacity to blame the Liberals for our current fiscal problems), then destroyed our most populous province Ontario during the Harris Regime (and are doing the same damn thing), here in Nova Scotia they promised an ill advised tax cut and then after the election was won they were forced to pull it back when they realized they couldn't afford it (something the Liberals had said would happen all during the campaign), In New Brunswick and Nova Scotia they bungled the Auto Insurance question and came up with answers that helped Insurance Companies and hurt Insurance Customers. I've even come up with a great slogan for their next federal campaign: "Vote Conservative, sure we've screwed you over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, but hey everyone deserves a 13th change right?" So, as I've indicated, the Alberta Conservatives deserve as much credit for fixing their province's finances as a poor guy who stumbles upon a bag filled with a million dollars.

Have you even been to Vancouver recently? I am guessing not based on that comment. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Vancouver makes toronto look like a sweatshop. It'snot even fair to mention the two cities in the same sentence; Vanouver blows away the big smoke. Vancouver is the best city in Canada by a long shot and the world will see it in 2010. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Bah I love all of Canada, except Alberta. The only good thing to come out of there were the Oilers.

That's what I did, and on the things I disagree with the party on I try in my own little corner to change it instead of jumping ship.

I don't recall ever even having discussed this issue with you. As far as I'm concerned you are, to be as polite as I can, a nonentity. Have you ever posted anything of note? Apparently not. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ummmm first off, **DELETED.** secondly, the more posts of yours that I read the more I think you may be a close relative of RightWingers or worse. You spew hate around this board continuoulsy. Sorry if I touched a nerve big boy. Carry on with the Hate. The Simpleton Nonentity, <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, along with Melanie and others, I too have made it to his hate list. But we're not the ones who suppress free speech. We'll let him carry on with this bile and sweeping insults. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm on it too! and COULDN'T BE PROUDER!

(did you mean to type "B.C. cops", or was "B.S. cops" deliberate? ) I was actually kind of enchanted with an idea that Sparhawk raised earlier: why should the government recognize *any* marriage? Why not use the phrase civil union in a legal sense, and leave government completely out of the marriage biz? As for polygamy... I've got no personal objection to consenting adults entering whatever arrangements they're comfortable with (but I do object to girls being raised as brides and married off at the age of 12, which is why I think the RCMP ought to go into Bountiful with flamethrowers and bulldozers... but I digress.) However, my support adults being able to live their lives as they wish doesn't extend to wanting to extend spousal benefits to every union that calls itself a family. -k <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I got no problem with multiple parner marriages, as long as everyone is cool with it, I wouldn't like to see it become the norm but that's just my personal feeling and i'll not force it on anyone else As for arranged marriages I'm not a big fan of that either but once again only my opinion, the only way I would condone interfearing in that is if someone threatened their child or their child's arranged spouse because they refused to go through with it. And even then it wouldn't be a marriage issue as much as it would be a legal one. It's my opinion that religion should be chosen, not forced.