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Grosser to dismiss the male suicide problem and its causes. Yes, you consider the implications of failed suicide attempts. So essentially, I'd have to be dead to be taken seriously, is that it? The lie of the patriarchy has nothing to do with a men's rights thread? No I'm not. This is a men's rights thread. And you brought Japan into it. Yes, because evolutionary arguments to explain why gender roles are the way they are is clearly a ditch. *sarcasm*

Have is probably a more accurate verb here. Men are conditioned by gender roles to work more, to an early grave, to benefit women. Differences in reproductive utility cause this behaviour discrepancy.

So you admit it is evidence? Indeed it likely was. As a person who has had such an urge, I disagree. You think about which method you should do, maybe research which method is best, then you construct a plan. That is one way. I know, they have the same lie of the patriarchy there too. Must be why Japanese men are less willing to get married than Japanese women. Or why the soshoku danshi phenomenon exists. Because of the 'patriarchy'. Of course it is. Because memetic evolution favours societies that do not value the lives of men very highly and societies that encourage men to kill themselves for the greater good.

On firearms, male suicide rates are much higher in many different countries, even in countries where access to guns is very difficult (example: Japan).

Sure it is. It is called anecdotal evidence. My claim was that denying men's issues is a contributing factor towards male suicide. Proof? And by accessibility, do you mean accessibility to things like sympathy and empathy, or people not dismissing your concerns? It is both. One of the ways society conditions men to not show emotions is by not caring about those emotions.

I disagree. Turkey shot down a Russian jet for no good reason. What did Russia do that was wrong? Is fighting ISIS wrong?

Of course it won't. Putin is intelligent and knows the consequences of retaliation. Due to NATO, Turkey can shoot down Russian jets with impunity in order to help their Islamist allies, and Russia cannot do anything about it.

And why do you think this is? Maybe it's because men don't have any better options other than suicide because society is conditioned to not care about the emotional concerns of men.

Sure there is. Try asking men that have either attempted suicide or been on the verge of being suicidal. Things aren't that binary. A person may prefer a method that has a 50% probability of success than either a method that has a 0% probability and a method that has a 100% probability. I'm not an MRA. Stop pretending I am.

Canada either needs to leave NATO or kick Turkey out of NATO.

You are misusing the word exponentially...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth

The constant dismissal of men's issues, such as by those feminists and as you are doing in this thread, increases suicide. Can someone please explain the fedora reference to me? I don't really get it. From the wiki: "The hat was fashionable for women, and the women's rights movement adopted it as a symbol. By the early 21st century, the fedora became a symbol of hipsters." Women, on average, have a greater incentive to have a failed suicide attempt due to our society being more sympathetic to women than to men, and this results in more female failed suicide attempts. This does not imply that all these women are flubbing suicide attempts. Reality is not so certain. Some methods have a lower chance of success than other methods. Women are choosing the methods with low chance of success, and the reason isn't because they are too stupid to know which methods have a high chance of success. You don't deny it and it is implied by what you have said in this thread. I don't self-identify as an MRA.

It's a contributing factor. I never said that. Attempting to commit suicide with ineffective methods is a good indicator of mental distress. I'm not faking anything. But you need to think I am in order for you to maintain your view of the world.

You aren't even denying it. Black Dog, the sexist who thinks that women are too stupid to know how to commit suicide properly and need a man on the internet to come save them from the evil people that want gender/sex equality.

Not taking men's issues seriously leads to a higher male suicide rate because men have nowhere to turn.

It's a civil war, so should be called a civil war.

Yes, I think that women and men are equally capable of committing suicide. You don't.

Initially the university was going to mark men's day. Then there was pressure from feminists to get it removed. Then someone committed suicide. Then the university announced their decision to abandon men's day (which they were going to make regardless of the suicide).

I need a cite for the fact that people are more likely to get sympathy/empathy if they are female than male? Really? Do you not live in our society? Okay, how about the double standard with respect to victims of domestic abuse? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B16dTOWaZU

Maybe it was a different study. I don't have time to check right now. I know that Oreopolous has found a Chinese-sounding name advantage when it comes of engineering jobs; that was one of the exceptions he found to the foreign name bias result. As for 'finding the opposite', I don't think you understand the concept of nuance. Things are more complicated than group X is always disadvantaged over group Y in all circumstances. I never claimed that a foreign name bias doesn't exist, my claim was that there are exceptions. Or social conditioning, which constantly tells men not to value themselves as much as women, which means they are less likely to take precautions to protect themselves and more likely to take risks to obtain value. Go see my thread on reproductive utility. Both men and women have agency. The tendency to put all agency on men is sexist and traditionalist. Nope. That's likely rich white cis-gendered heterosexual able-bodied young female. You mean like Ayaan Hirsi Ali? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali Atheists criticize religion because religion is dumb. That has nothing to do with race or sex. You mean like how Saudi Arabia classifies all atheists as terrorists and commits genocide against apostates? But then if an atheist depicts the prophet Mohamed (which isn't even against Islam since there is no risk of idolatry) they should be killed?

Incorrect, I said pressure, not the announcement itself. You think that announcements just occur with nothing leading up to them? Because it's not part of it. Women are perfectly capability of killing themselves if they want to. They just don't want to as strongly as men. On the other hand, if you attempt suicide and fail, you are more likely to gain sympathy as a women than as a man. So there is a larger incentive for women to fail suicide than for men.

Male student commits suicide after feminists pressure university not to take men's issues seriously: http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/11/18/male-university-of-york-student-commits-suicide-on-day-his-university-ditches-international-mens-day-after-pressure-from-feminists/

You are purposely conflating meaning here, aren't you. Anything to deny the existence of trade-offs I guess.

And it isn't as broad as a general consumption tax. Thus less efficient. No it isn't. There are other factors that affect economic growth. And given that the amount of technology we have increases over time, generally you are going to have economic growth.

Which is dumb. There is a net negative cost to the economy since other forms of taxation, such as consumption taxes, are more efficient.