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I wonder how much the ACLU is getting out of this? Seems odd that a civil liberties organization is so wealthy, supposedly by protecting our civil rights; you'd think they really are non-profit. I bet if the government or independent did some thorough research they might find the term, "raketeering" "You''re city better appeal, or we're going to sue!" And I'm willing to bet that almost more than half of those 200 cities, there are a lot of minorities on those councils! Misunderstood! PA's not going after minorities, just suspicious activity; White, Black, Asian, Mexican, Canadian...PA doesn't care what color or nationality! Seems that this is the major argument! Because we all know the govt. can't spy on everyone! Care to state one?

Enlighten me Eureka... Please! Without a poem or political philosophy. Broke off in a little tangent from this thread... And what would that be? Because we're human, would you still love us?

If I believed in anarchy then I would agree with you. Lets just say, that you were not an anarchist, could you still tell me what's wrong with the Patriot Act? (From an "other than anarchy" point of view?) Government is not the only one who has an opinion on this. Public safety health issue, and most people would agree. I don't want to have to walk down the streets with my daughter in my community and see druggies or hookers soliciting or passed out on the street because of their chosen lifestyle. It is unsafe and unhealthy. Ever been to San Francisco? You can literally walk down some of the streets and see passed out bums, next to human feces, laying in their own piss. Have a little pride in you community, and we do not need the govt. to tell us that. We can agree on this! You're probably right, but we can't sue the government. Wouldn't this happen if we were anarchists anyway? Strongest would gain power, corruption, chaos? Sort of like the tribesman in Iraq? You may be right! But until then, we have to trust our govt. that the PA will help protect it's people from another 9/11 or Okla. City, and prosecute those individuals, who are trying to do so. Before the PA enactment, those types of individuals were protected. And I'm sure once there is an abuse on civil rights because of the PA... The ACLU will let us know!

It is a big deal to Americans. Unfortunately we have been caught up in politics and the war effort, and have not acknowledge what Canadians did during that time. I myself (and I'm sure many Americans) forgot what the Canadian communities did, but does not mean we are unappreciative. That was awesome Canada! Thanks for reminding me!

I'm just curious to know from the Eureka's, Black Dogs, Hugos, and everyone else, What's so wrong with the Patriot Act? (In your own words please) Why is it that the government and local law enforcement agencies can and has used these tactics before for the Mafia, prostitution, drug dealing, etc; but not for suspicious terrorist activity? I understand the PA as giving those who are investigating terrorism the same tools and resources that they need when investigating those, in which I listed. And that it allows FBI, CIA, local police to share information that they were not allowed to do before. A lot are saying that 9/11 might have been prevented if they could have just connected the dots, but were not allowed to share the dots. How has it been abused?

I think you are very well educated, but lack the ability to reason. "bravo" "alpha" "1100" "november" (balloon) Your lack of reasoning would lead me to believe that I am unable to prove my military service. What else do you want? There you go again... lack of reasoning, and manipulation of words. You said it not me, not true! No offense taken! Many jobs in the intelligence field (technology) computer science, decoding, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY!! I think you are trying to refer to intel as reciting Literature, poetry, advanced education skills, etc... In which you do very well! And I am not knocking that. Wish I were that smart! Really? I see it everyday. In old people especially (not all, but some). They're happy, go-lucky all the time. And do not pay attention to politics, or what's going on in the world. They're just happy to live life! And I envy that. But I'm probably wrong. I'm sure you will correct me. I was referring to when you started learning. I believed you when you paraphrased the words, "Ad populum" and "Ad hominum", but doubted you because it was too coincidental to the site: Writers Workshop. You know Latin, I don't. I'm pretty good in Spanish though, but I do not want to turn this into a "who's fluent in more languages?"

Nope! I do not speak Latin. So how would I know that you were referring to "99% of people"? You are pathetic. Do you really believe that you are smart because you know a few Latin words? Maybe I should start replying in "Klingon" and then I can condemn you for not knowing, and look like a big "smarty pants"! You are so insecure Hugo! Whatever floats your boat "Latin turd"! I do not need to prove my military service to you... Actually already did. You IM your faggot buddy yet? Go find me a "Bravo" "Alpha" "1100" "November"! If you knew anything about the ACLU, they deem EVERYTHING "unconstitutional" and are totally partisan toward Dems & Liberal governments. Doesn't surprise me... Didn't prove anything wrong to me. Me & many Americans are in full support of the PA. Still there is no clear example that it has violated anyone's rights... That was the argument Hugo! Do you know how stupid you sound? What if a soldier or Marine came to your house in Canada, beat up your mom, your sister, girlfriend, wife, your dog... And then shanked you and your dad in the ass with a K-bar? What would you do? Can't shoot us... You don't have a right to bear arms! Can't defend yourself, because Canadians are pacifists! Anarchists are too dumb to know what to do... So tell me Hugo. I already told you what I would do, and that your statement would not apply to Soldiers or Marines. You're a joke Hugo... A Canadian Joke! You have no friends because of your anti-social behavior, no support for anarchy, you can't debate, or even insult me! But I give you "kudos" for trying... a valiant endeavor... (yeah right!)

If you're talking about me being a Marine... Not at all! Oh...Now it's a lawsuit, eh? (talk about fallacy) Lawsuit still does not prove anything. I still go back to assumptions which is all you have. Hugo, you're the one who thinks it is a civil rights violation, but cannot provide one example where it has violated anyone's rights! You're argument has consistently been that the govt. is spying on us. Not true. And you say that living in Canada! Burden of proof is on you! You idiot! You asked if I would kill U.S. citizens in a time of civil unrest, if given a direct order? What kind of stupid question is that? Let me ask you.... Do the citizens have weapons? Are they firing at me? Because if they are, then I have a right to defend and protect myself. Civil unrest sounds like a protest, in which the local police or Natl. Guard would handle. I'm not a police officer. Never claimed to be articulate. But I think you got the point. LOL...this coming from an anarchist? You probably wear military issued combat boots (in which you never served, and bought at a surplus store), with your mohawk, chaos tatoos, and piercings. Wouldn't you like this character in a person? Or were you just describing yourself? Aren't you tired yet of getting ass spanked, verbally? Suit yourself... You brought it up! Having trouble backing it up? Or am I wearing you out?

You're right Eureka, you actually did debate in your own words. But both of us accomplished nothing, and stand by our beliefs. We just go on and on never agreeing... And of course you are a hard core liberal who resorts to personal attacks when someone does not agree with you. Pretty sad. As I said before, you are unreasonable! So sad that you live your life one way! And Libs are supposed to be open minded. But of course only have opene mouths!

Can't reason with the unreasonable! Little Black Doggie... It's hard to reason with someone who only posts links or does the copying & pasting of articles as their reply! Try debating in your own words next time! You are too gullable! You do not analyze what you read, and seem to go with whatever's popular for your own agenda. You're just mad that Martin stole your taxdollars for his steamboat company, and never got an explanation, And God forbid you to ask! But you have the audacity to criticize everything you read deemed necessary about the U.S. whether it is true or not. You sir, are a follower! Claims, insinuations and assumptions that you cannot prove, but are so desperately trying to do so! You probably bought into the whole Global Warming bit, & Koyote issues... I'd buy into it if someone could explain why we had an Ice Age (about 7 of them) and then the glaciers melted. There were no cumbustion engines, or SUV's back then causing this. Anyone ever think that it could just be an environmental cycle?? This is my point...you probably do not think of stuff like this.

Vote Bush or die, huh? Wasn't the Left saying that when Reagan was running for a second term? I guess we'll see if Bush is re-elected?? I'm dying to see the replies on this one!

Eureka! That's a great idea! At least she would reason better than you. Oh wait, Liberals do not reason!

Just me personally Daniel! Not speaking for all Americans!

Tells me nothing black doggie... Try again! And try to use some of your own reasoning this time. Hugo wrote: Getting mad yet Hugo? Am I getting under your nasty skin? Try again... The ACLU has not provided any civil rights violations since the PA. A lot of assumptions or insinuations though! I need concrete proof Hugo, in which you have yet to provide. Don't bother replying if you have no evidence! You must be a convicted fellon! Or in Canada, "Rehabilitated" Nothing to justify... You break the law, and caught... Tough shit. Felonies only... spare me with your traffic violation bullshit! Difference between right & wrong! You'd better re-read the PA. If you need any help comprehending, let me know! Why answer a stupid hypothetical question? Nice try to set me up... You got a lot of problems Hugo... probably a manic deppressant! Inferiority complex syndrome! Are you threatened by me? It bothers you so much that an American (A Marine I might add) came to your site and whipped your ass and counters everything you have to say. That is why Canada and it's citizens will never, ever be looked upon by any American! Again, we're independent down here, and don't need Canada or the world's "stamp of approval"! And that kills you so much! Here, do a google search for me: What is SMEAC? Maximum effective point target range of the M16 A2 Service Rifle? M203 Grenade Launcher? M240 GOLF? SAW? What is a Devil Dog? And how did that term come about? Where is Tun Tavern? What is the acronym for Combined Arms Exercise? And who is involved? What's "remedial action"? Call for fire? Indirect fire? Do you even know where 29 Palms is? What desert? What is the term "kentucky windage" used for? You fucking boot! That's probably what your buddy is! Not that I expect you to know or answer any of this... I could care less! You're a nobody Hugo, up there in the tundra! And your only friends are online! You'd better hurry and Instant Message your friend, asking those questions!

Any day now BD... All I see is Arabs killing Arabs, with the exception of terrorists picking off some of the coalition forces, and visa versa! Granted there will be times when we are targeting specific buildings, etc that will unfortunatley kill innocent people. Tissue will be damaged when trying to remove the cancer, but in the long run, it must be done. The Iraqi's know we are there to help them, not destroy them. But with people like you saying the opposite (trying to speak for them) it defeats a great cause. The sooner the Iraqi's publicly condemn insurgents entering their country, or do something about it, the sooner occupation will be over. Do you play for the Dodgers? How hard is it BD? I'm just asking for one example! You still cannot answer the question. Hugo wrote: OK Hugo, I guess me and 99% of the world are wrong and just do not agree with you. I'll answer that as soon as you provide me an example. Hugo, Not what I said at ALL! If somebody breaks the law committing a felony (not traffic violations) then YES, they automatically lose certain priviledges (rights). "What if" scenarios, eh? I will refrain from answering that question. There are "lawful orders" and "unlawful". Civil unrest sounds like rioting, in which we are trained to handle those situations (tear gas, rubber bullets, etc.) In which case the military would be called in as a last resort. This would be a policing issue that the law would try and handle first. My service number would be my SSN (in which I do not give out online, or to anyone in general) 1st Batalion, 7th Marines (29 Palms, Ca. Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center), 3rd Platoon, Alpha Co. Commanding officer: Capt. Randall (now a major) SPORT is an acronym in which only the rifleman knows, in which you do not rate. Earn the title Hugo! You're breaking my heart here... "The truth has a certain ring."- Hemmingway "Aboot time!" (Canadian) In English, "About time!"

(HA HA...) Your'e killing me Kimmy! Not literally... I'm rolling here, laughing my ass off at Canada! Not you though... I can't believe this is where some of you get your news! Eh, hoser?

Hey Kimmy, You still believe that the Holocaust never happened? Or was that Ameican forces gasing the Jews?

Blackie... You went on so many tangents your post was very difficult to follow. Still waiting for the info. on millions of Iraqi's who feel we are murdering them, oppressing them, and that they do not want a free democracy.... Your breaking down of the PA sections was nice (For anyone who did not know what it said) But you seem to misunderstand it. Still waiting for those examples.... And no I am not scared. I have faith in a legislature that will protect me if these rights are violated. And trust me, there are many organizations, lawyers, and people waiting for the PA to violate civil rights! Again, most Americans who agree with the Patriot Act have nothing to hide! And are willing to sacrifice. The rest of your ranting are just misconceptions, and you will continue to try and justify your misbeliefs! And I'm tired of repeating myself while you dodge! Carry on Blackie...

Easy Rita... Was not directed towards you or an attack on women. I'm happily married! And love her dearly! My wife even agrees with this point I will make to you.... It is a proven, scientific fact that women are more emotional than men (HELLO minstrel cycle!!) Most women are insecure (not in a dependent way) but with "how they look", clothes, hair, etc. And always gossiping about one another. Most men are naturally independent. We don't gossip or wonder who likes who in the workplace or anywhere else! Or if someone's offended or not. I will admit that women groom us, making us more sensitive and compassionate, and this is a good thing

You could be right. And I'm sure some are innocent, unfortunatley we are not taking that chance. Still doesn't mean we are above Intl. Law, or committing atrocities. I can agree with you on this... I see everyday, how little the average American knows about his/her country, politics, taking advantage of what we have, and taking it for granted. But not all of us are like that. I've had the opportunity to travel through Europe, Asia, Mexico and always look forward to coming home. I've seen some "shitholes" and it is not because of American policy. We do not force any country to choose what government they want or continue to use. It is not America's fault that other governments do not provide ways to educate, employ, provide healthcare, capitalism, enterprise, social services, etc. Again, these people are coming or finding a way to us... Not the other way around. What does that tell you? Not that we're ugly, ignorant, uneducated Yanks... So far from the truth. How many different nationalities do we have? Now I do take offence to this, being a Marine. When I first enlisted (1994) I scored very well on the ASVAB test The Marine Corps wanted me in intelligence, but I chose Infantry. They could not understand why someone with such a high score wanted to join the Infantry. Our commanders, must have a 4-year degree to enlist in "Officer Candidates School." Most countries DO NOT have volunteer military! This is a fact. Do a little research and you will see that it is required for most male citizens in other countries to at least enlist in a 1-2 year term, upon turning 18 or 21. Plus they receive very little pay, and absolutlely NO benefits! (Not that we are getting much, but most of us didn't join for those reasons) Work is work, whether it is in the military or not. (For a person who wants world peace, and to help the human race so much, regardless of creed, you have such disdain and condenscending attitude towards the military.) And we still do have families that follow military tradition and honor. You are so kind and philosophical! Thanks for the "heads-up"! Most of the time those principles are followed to a "T" I beg to differ... And believe many Americans would too! I could very easily turn this around and list "Problems in Canada"; Paul Martin, Cretien, Canada's involvement in Serbia, Canada's social issues, problems with Canada's healthcare system, unemployment rate (8.7%??), Secularism, sympathy towards terrorists/ criminals, government controls everything, etc. Simply what you are trying to do... It's a sad time when people like you underestimate others for not agreeing with you. I'm a nationalist, and will probably never agree or change my mind to think precisely like you. It does not make either one of us wrong or right. Your last quote I listed is just ridiculous! If you're talking about what we can and can't broadcast over public airways, or because the Bush Admin. does not answer to the rest of the world the way you would like, that is another thing. But the American people are not kept quiet. And the American media (quite Liberal I might add) does it's fair share of criticizing Bush, along with the rest of the world. We may have to do some research on our own, because we are misinformed at times, or not told the complete truth, but each American has that responsibility, and should take heed. What government in the world is completely honest with it's people? I bet if I called the Queen a whore (In Canada or England) I'd be beat down or going to jail! But anywhere here in the U.S. I am free to call Bush or any other President or any part the government whatever I want, freely and criticize accordingly!

You call "In The Times" a legitimate news source? To be fair, I read the article... 1.) Regardless of all the press about the 2000 electorial mess in Florida, It has for the longest time been a Republican state! Bush would've won anyway! If it were a split state or Dem state, then it would have been very suspicious! 2.) Every state votes whether we use traditional voting polls or machines. (Dems & Rep.) 3.) Unlike Canada, it is illegal for felons to vote! And we like that! 4.) Keyword is "think"... Has this been proven, or are we speculating again, because we hate Bush? 4.) Dems started this during the civil war, even prior... About time Republicans started to catch on. We could just close our boarders, but that would give you something other to bitch about. Good political tactics whether you agree or not. 5.) What law firm is really non-partisan? I don't blame Bush for hiring them.... The Lawyers Association (Firm/Guild) has always been "pro Democrat"... They're backing Kerry as we speak! Why would a Republican hire a pro Democratic organization, when they have shown complete partisan? This is common sense Blackie! If you're so smart, why aren't you asking yourself these questions?

Black Dog's memeber status is in "The Big League" You post a lot in here... Trying to get to the "Majors" huh? Must be easy when you're unemployed, milking Canada's welfare system. Anything for member status posts, huh? As I said in a previous post, you must be a women! You're too emotional Blackie... Or depressed?? Depression and discouragement usually set in when on the governments nipple too long!

You and your 1%... Keep living you oppressed lifestyle! You have yet to say anything of high quality, and the more you reply the worse you sound! You & Blackie... And your point? (Yawwwnnnn....) Thanks for the definition. Now that I know what an empire is, I stand by what I said! Still no empire! I'll ask again... Can you find me one example? This is not an example of the PA infringing on anyone's civil rights. I can 99.9% guarantee you that the Patriot Act does not apply to your examples of misdemeanors! Majority of us like order, which is why you and your anarchy of 1% like chaos! Now on to Blacki... The difference of personal opinion! If you were to show me something of millions and millions of Iraqi's disputing the cause, rather than the few hundred or 1,000 you see on TV, then maybe I would have a change of attitude. But that is not the case! Like I asked Hugo... Show me! Hey Blackie? We finally agree on something... I can't stand O'reilly either

So that means you probably do not vote? Because you never have a party running for office! Therefore, you don't rate to talk about politics or "lecture" in your words. Funny that anarchy is probably 1% of the worlds population. Maybe because it's not a good thing?? We're waiting.... With our right to bear arms! Because we're an independent nation! Those who are insecure say what you just said! I like "special Ed.".... Have to educate the retards! Guess they should have thought about who they were hanging around with, when captured! Affiliation by association! We'd have to be an empire in order for this to apply. Funny how people like you claim that most of the world thinks like you (hates America, etc...) But it's the world, who is knocking on our boarders trying to get into this "empire" Anarchy is a clear sign of oppression! Could you find me one example of the Patriot Act invading one's civil rights? They can tap my phone, Internet, cable TV, all they want... No shame in my game, I've got nothing to hide! But will they? No... Not enough money, time or people to invade the U.S.'s privacy or civil liberties. If someone is breaking the law, it shouldn't matter that their civil rights were infringed upon! Once they start disobeying the law, they lose those rights! Nope I'm not oppressed, and definitely do not see it like you! Freedom is not entirely free in any country and always has a price! We do have a bloated budget, and are heavily taxed (what you're repeating, we hear every election year!) but I can still afford cost of living, choice of healthcare, education, vacation, home ownership, etc. May not be the best of everything (I am not rich) but it's mine and I always have a choice. Government is not taking anything away from me. Spare me with the unemployment, uninsured, statistics... We always have room to improve! Some years are good, some are not.

Let me get this straight.... Because he was over in Iraq, "beheading" is justified?