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Penis does not belong in the ass, PERIOD! Lets be real here... Who really enjoys sodomy? Both men & women do it, and ask them if it's painful. S & M people do it because they like the pain!But it's still painful, and probably stinks!Self induced pain, just to get off? If people want to be homos, that's fine... I'm not discriminating that, so do not call me a biggot or whatever else. I have homosexual friends and I tell them the samething. It's a personal choice or lifestyle. It's never been proven that it's natural or unatural. Why does someone want feces on their shaft? Lesbians...samething... You strap on a dildo! Were you born with it? Homosexuality is all mental! Maybe it's a form of being handicapped?? I'm just trying to understand... I'm not knocking anybody here. I'm actually harder on the homosexual men, just because of the sodomy thing. I think it's more emotional with lesbians and can understand them better. What's your excuse gentlemen?

If you're speaking from experience; how sad and wrong! I'd say you have a pretty good lawsuit! I'm not going to deny that it never happens, and I would say it is very rare. I would also add that it was probably happening more often in certain areas in the past (L.A. , Watts... Southern states) But society is smarter now. Police are highly scrutinized and monitored, and if that kind of stuff does happen, it's in the news, investigated and the law is hammering down on law enforcement.

This coming from a Canadian who probably voted for Paul Martin? And you criticize America for Reagan & Bush? "Screw the Red Book!... Don't tell me what's in the Red Book. I wrote the godamn thing! And I know that's a lot of crap!" Still waiting for all of those promises? Promises from a man who admits that his political career has been against his own principles. What a moron! But then again, you people voted for him.

Sure Hugo... If that were the case, you would not waste your time trying to debate me! I'm just an average American, who lives a simple life, and loves his country! I graduated high school, volunteerily served in the Marine Corps, graduated from a technical school (No Ivy League by all means)... Just got the skills to pay the bills! And can argue in a reasonable manner. What we have been arguing is not complicated; just see things differently. When are you going to acknowledge that you overestimate govt. and underestimate the American people?

Just picking the main points Eureka... Not going to "Quote" everything. I am dense (already admitted this in an open forum) Just got tired of reading your "political philosophy" It's like poetry... Only the writer can interpret it! I could care less what you and Hugo differ on... It's irrelevant! Interesting... I thought almost all of the previous administrations (not just the current) attempted to recreate or spread freedom & democracy. Just admit you hate anything and everything Republican or Conservative! I might agree with you if we were still living in the 19th century or if America were truly an empire. That's just a classic Liberal argument... Trying to use history & theory to fulfill "self-righteousness"! But of course, has very little substance (only to the believer) You in this case! Only time will tell history, Eureka!

Abortion is a very touchy issue.... Some like me think that it absolutely should not be a form of birth control. (Religious or not religious...it's just wrong) And I think this way because I have a 3 yo daughter. Before my wife became pregnant, abortion did not bother me one bit. And it was easy for me to say that, not personally knowing the value of life at the time. On the other hand, it should not be illegal but controlled. I am for abortion if someone is raped or molested, and should be a personal choice. As for Yoyodyn... His argument is sort of a form of population control. In which we should leave that up to the tobacco/alcohol industry or to the main illnesses plaguing the world (cancer, aids, heart disease) Or "natural selection" But he's right, along with BD that the govt. "politiczes" it to gain or take away votes.

Does it bother you so much that I have been simplifying everything you say with common sense? AGain, you are not an "elitist" so quit trying to act like one. Not an assumption but fact! We've been doing this for what... 228 years now? (You may not like it) But our history, longevity and sovereignty speak for itself! You do the math... You overestimate our govt. and underestimate Americans. Look at Germany now... Are you going to try and speak for all Germans, and say that they are worse off now? Because of the U.S.? What an absurd comparison Hugo!! Is our military rounding up the Jews or any other ethnicity to exterminate them? Did Germany go through any kind of civil war, revolution or civil rights movement? Did they have a right to bear arms? These are just basic answers as to why Americans will never fail to monitor our own govt. There you go again...dodging; one little mind trying to assume, think for and speak for the people. Could it be that HUGO wants nothing from the govt. Why are you even online? You sound like someone who should be hiding out in the wilderness somewhere, trying to survive. As much as you complain about govt. I'm sure you do not mind cashing that tax refund, welfare or disability check you get from the taxpayers of Canada!

So what are you arguing? We were talking about "house rules"... You got the point! Same applies to the farmer's taxes! There might be a day that an asteroid crashes on and destroys his farm, while he is at the market. It's every citizen's taxes (his taxes too) and or donations that are going to come to his aid, so that he may farm again. Sure Hugo...someday we're going to be a bunch of crazy, racially mixed Nazi's! "Aboot time, eh?" Yep, sure did read it! Gee, I wonder if it's being revised? Good answer Hugo! I actually agree with you!

Hugo wrote: Are you trying to outrage me so that I can get banned? (I'm on to you Hugo... ) Hugo, I'm an admitted nationalist, realist and I'll vote Republican this year. I'm not going to get into your hypothetical world of "what if" scenarios" but will give a quick answer: Government will never monitor voting. (period) If anyone monitors, it will be an independent, non-partisan organization, state by state. (I see where you are going, so I'll play...) Pretty much! Federal, State and local levels! Constitution, Law (order)! Shouldn't you already have known this? It's like a bar, Hugo... Everybody's welcome (we don't discriminate) But there are rules to obey. Not everyone is going to like or follow them, and the govt. is the "bouncer"! Well lets just hope not! Our govt. is f*cked up, but not Nazi's! You dodged my question about; If we had the Patriot Act in place pre-9/11, would we even be here discussing such topics?How hard is that to answer? YES or NO? I already know your "ideological agenda", I don't agree, so quit trying to push it on me! Stick to one subject/question at a time Hugo!

Eureka wrote: What a contradiction! One minute you're bitchin about the U.S. not doing enough for the world, (and think you know what's best for Americans) then you bitch about the way we do things! You're never going to be happy. What a double standard! No wonder we choose and support to not want anything to do with the UN or Europe. Like you, they cannot make up their mind. What are we not learning from history? Could you look back on the books for me and tell me how history defeated terrorism? We could've just dropped some "nukes" on the Mid East, taking the course of history. At least you would have had a valid argument that America is committing atrocities; Not the terrorists! How can you even talk about freedom or democracy when you have never experienced it? Set back democracy? How? Afghanistan held free elections for the first time; Iraq is soon to follow... We hold free elections. You're beating a dead horse sister! Could you explain this to me? I know I am dense, but WTF did you just say? Which pile of crap do we want as our President?

Would you say the same for Islam? Or is that too "touchy" for you? Wouldn't want to offend any Muslims in Canada, now would we?

Yeah, Eureka... And Canada's an independent nation! It's us "sleepy Americans" that keep you envious! Why don't you just move down here, obtain citizenship and vote? Then you would rate to criticize or debate OUR politics! If your country had some real media outlets, then you wouldn't have to go online to get all of your news. Must be hard filtering through the crap you read! Or maybe "Uncle Canuk" is already watching you. Tapped your pc and now chooses what news it deems necesary for you to view. You guys get satellite cable up there yet?

For a country who claims to be the #1 leader of Human Rights, you sure would not be able to tell from some of the replies. Does it matter whether it is an Arab or American death? Or would your reply be, "terrorists are justified because of an illegal invasion!"? Did you even watch the beheading MS? Could you even stomach the footage?

Sure Hugo; hypothetically speaking. But that's not the case. Let them snoop. Just be waisting their time... which would lead me to believe that they do not have the interest, time, money, manpower to snoop through 99% of American citizens. I think you have it backward... It's the other 1% that should be worried, who probably intend to committ crime. If you do not like my "house rules" then feel free to leave! Not everyone agrees obviously. But that's why we have the press, ACLU, legislature, Dems & Rep... "Checks & balances" If the PA were to commit serious offenses, we will know. What if they had the PA pre-9/11? Would we be discussing this?

Funny, the ACLU (in which you seem to admire so much) has found zero violations! They want to revise and appeal... That is all you have provided! Based on the information given to us by the CIA and other world intelligence. Not just the govt. cramming it down our throats as you would like to believe. That's how! Has nothing to do with civil rights being violated! Funny how we are finding this out right now... Which backs up my point that Americans are not kept silent! (I'm copying & pasting the same answer.)Based on the information given to us by the CIA and other world intelligence. (Already commented on this...) It's a "Truth War" Eureka! America is not perfect (although Canadians seem to think so.) We've acknowledged the mistakes, and are correcting them. Our cause is still justified! Ask Afghans & Iraqi's!

What many argue about the PA is that it could be possible for govt. to spy on it's citizens. (Need we go over this gain?) And another argument is racial profiling. 1.) Govt. cannot and will not spy on every citizen. Not enough money, time or manpower to do so. This is a failing argument if people truly believe in "big bro politics" 2.) The Left and ACLU uses "racial profiling" to sound like the govt. and local authorities are specifically targeting certain individuals. (In very rare cases, this happens and is wrong.) ~This is where the country is split in half, Hugo... Some do not want racial profiling period. Some (including myself) feel that it is necessary to help law enforcement, even if they target myself, and are willing to allow that. Do you think it is wise that if there is a suspect on the loose, to inform the public of an exact description? Or is that absolutely "unconstitutional"? Would you agree that govt. is more closely watched by the public & media today, than 10 years ago? I trust that the public and media will be the first to let the world know if govt. were spying on everyone, violating America's civil rights. I am willing to take that chance and sacrifice a little bit, than give an illegal terrorist a 'loophole' through our legal system to conduct another 9/11. Or an illegal Mexican who kidnaps a little girl, murders her, and flees back to Mexico. All because we were affraid to tell the public who and what he was. Not flying! Convince me Hugo... If I obey the law, pay my taxes, vote and monitor the government like I do... What am I affraid of?

We get South Park on Comedy Channel!

They did not like the way it was written up, and were affraid of how it may be applied. Which is fine... Needs to be revised and "fine tuned" for complete clarification. Still has not violated anyone's civil rights!

It's kind of hard to debate you when your reply dostorts everything I say! Instead of debating, you whine about how inferior I make you feel. Or: , or: Whatever chief.... You said, and felt this; not me. I really did not think that you were debating... You were too busy trying to correct my English and show that you could speak Latin (which had nothing to do with what we were discussing.) Anytime you want to stick to the subject! Or check the reply under Thread: Patriot Act and the ACLU

You see, you're back at it again. It's pointless to respond to any of your allegations because I cannot disprove any of it on this forum. I will, however, say that it's a sign of a very weak argument when you spend more time insulting your opponent than refuting his points. Why did you leave out that I was clearly not insulting you in any way? This is your problem, Hugo: Word Manipulation! You just "spun" what I was saying! Now you're losing all credibility because you distorted what I said, to mislead other readers. Go back to listening to your KMFDM cd's!

OK Hugo... You're an anarchist! Sorry you're not convincing me though. I guess I'm just too ignorant! Still, I want the junkies and hookers off the street If I want to do those kinds of things, I'll go to a whorehouse and cook-up! Why would you think that, after reading this? C'mon Hugo...I'm losing respect for you now! BD6 Wrote: Is that your answer or contradiction to how anarchy would protect it's people? Guess you'd better win that space travel competition! That argument doesn't fly on this planet! Gee.... Eureka? You want to answer this one for me? Maybe he thought it would be "unconstitutional" As extreme Liberal (judges I might add) do who are afraid of not getting re-elected or was lobbied with a lot of money. But I do not know. I do know there has been 0 (zero) violations or abuses of anyone's civil rights. Would you automatically assume that all who are in favor of the PA are racist, because we want agencies & law enforcement to profile for the protection of ALL, even if they profile myself? Those of us who are in favor are willing to sacrifice certain civil liberties. We just do not agree Hugo!

You didn't make a very good argument for yourself. Most people who are into anarchy are very book smart (philosophy, fantasy, some literature), into the goth thing, anti-social, which leads me to believe that you have no social life, except for your (few) buddies who agree with you. Big fish in a small pond! I am not attacking you, lets be clear on this. And am not being superior... Already admitted you are probably smarter than I, you just lack experience in many things. Marine Corps did not make me superior, just confident! I am secure with myself and beliefs, which is why you are unconvincing. I do not need rhetorical reasons or "elitist" attitude to tell me what is wrong with my country or government. We make mistakes; always have, always will, but you or anyone else has yet to convince me that today (post 9/11) that my country and govt. are committing atrocities, such as terrorism across the world, because of our policies, rather than "being mad" at the current administration. I stand by being a nationalist, and have always admitted when our country is wrong.

As I said before... I think you are well educated, and read a lot, but you do not practically apply what you know, read, see on T.V. etc. to everyday life. Perception. Being as smart as you seem, could you make a decision based on intutition? It's easy to criticize me (I admit, I am not as smart as you) or government, because you are not apart of it, making decisions based on what you know, etc. (Sort of like "Monday Night Quarterbacking") Easy to break down our politics, policies, history, people and underestimate because you do not live under the same freedom and liberties we sometimes take for granted. I've come across people who think anarchy is the best way, but could not explain or debate quite as well as you. (I'm complimenting you) Eureka wrote: How is the PA not treating all Americans equally? Just provide one example.... Do not explain the PA to me, or who's going to appeal or did appeal. Who did it abuse? Doesn't it make sense that if a crime was committed by a white, black, arab, whatever nationality... To inform law enforcement on the description/profile.... These are tools to help prevent crime, not violate one's civil rights! It's foolish to have police, FBI or any other agency look for a suspect, and reprt, "We're looking for a human, 6 ft. 200lbs, dark hair" Is it black, brown, white, red?? "We cannot tell you, that's a violation of civil rights." Next people like you and ACLU are going to complain of gender discrimination!

Funny, I was thinking the same thing when you asked if I would kill my citizens if ordered to (hypothetically) Still waiting.... I know I'm dense, but you need to explain this one to me... I honestly do not know WTF you just said??? Again, wouldn't this all be possible with anarchy? Prostitution and drug use is a state issue. Look at Nevada! Look at Oregon, they've almost legalized marijuana. You asked previously ..."What business is it of mine?" I never said it must be outlawed; just don't do it in front of me. Your examples (with the exception of Alcoholism, suicide, tobacco, and abortion) are not self destructive behaviors. You're going to argue no matter what. We just do not have the same moral values. I'm not religious at all (so do not think I am a "bible thumper" because of my morals) I do not own an SUV, but I do have steak knives, guns, a chainsaw and many other things that could be deemed dangerous. But not to society! If I were a druggie on the street, I would have sold those things, and probably committ crime to maintain my habbit. A personal choice I choose not to make, not the govt. I didn't admit anything, just agreed. America (some say) is a benign hypocrisy. We do not committ atrocities, but piss us off we're coming after you! (This is what our govt. does) Sometimes they are justified, sometimes not. But not a gang of thugs... They just act like it sometimes! You want to believe that democracy is a form of 'statism'. Maybe in theory; but our democracy is not even close to nazism, socialism, or communism... I am a nationalist! (happy now?) I know where you are going and you are probably right... But unfortunatley, we'd need a 2-3 million man army, marching down Capitol Hill to change this. I do not see it happening anytime soon. And that's our fault. We're too consumed with T.V., technology, capitalism and shopping, etc. to get everyone on board all at once. And that's what it would take. It may not be in our best interest all the time, but we really do like our law & order! I see the movie, "Road Warrior" when I think of anarchy What (if anything) has anarchy achieved besides chaos and lawlessness? Plague & disease wiped out whole colonies! How would you answer the extinction of the dinosaurs? Death is inevitable! Whether it be war or natural selection, it is our nature and a product of our environment. Strongest, smartest and now the wealthiest will survive! Would anarchy protect it's people? Human behavior... We're all guilty of selfishness from time to time! I understand what you keep repeating, but why? There is fear, but no clear case of abuse from the PA!

You're not a prophet, but feel free to predict our future all you want. You underestimate Americans! Remember, we're of every nationality... That says a lot and how far we've come! You're right, Iraq is getting worse. But we're not going to ignore terrorism, regardless how far across the world it is spread, and 9/11 was our wakeup call! This is a new age, new kind of war. And America's not the only one in it. There is no manual, history or guidelines on how to fight back against terrorism, and it is obviously tough. I hope we are not still in Iraq 10 years from now, but am curious to see how the world will have changed, and the position on global terrorism. It's minds like yours Eureka that the terrorists will defeat! And your way of thinking, blaming is how they want you to think.