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see. you are unable to correct yourself even though you can't find any report that says the people on board were waiting with guns. it's unfortunate that you've chosen to take the route of someone who purposely spreads misinformation and even when it's proven that it's misinformation, you are unable to correct yourself.

no. no guns were on board. not even the israeli government has accused them of having guns. unless, of course, you're able to show otherwise. you need to be a little more responsible when you gather and share information.

maybe you are unintentionally spreading misinformation. i recommend looking at these situations a little deeper than only posting from jpost and the highly biased frontpagemagazine site. have a look at the videos produced by an israeli human rights organization about the water and sewage situation in the occupied territories. it should give you a better perspective and understanding of the facts.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=19439&view=findpost&p=705763 what reports? show me these reports.

here is information on how israel allows the sewage from the illegal settlements flow onto palestinian land: an inconvenient truth that peeves and the rest of the hasbara won't be responding to.

peeves. you are a mouthpiece trying to propagate bs. you were the one that said the people on board the flotilla ships carried guns and when you were questioned on the misinformation, you did not respond. here is a real look at the water situation:

Israel's naval blockade of the Gaza Strip violates international law, a panel of human rights experts reporting to a UN body said on Tuesday, disputing a conclusion reached by a separate UN probe into Israel's raid on a Gaza-bound aid ship. An earlier fact-finding mission named by the same UN forum to investigate the flotilla incident also found in a report last September that the blockade violated international law. The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) says the blockade violates the Geneva Conventions. link "The Palmer report was aimed at political reconciliation between Israel and Turkey. It is unfortunate that in the report politics should trump the law," he said in the statement. About one-third of Gaza's arable land and 85 percent of its fishing waters are totally or partially inaccessible due to Israeli military measures, said Olivier De Schutter, UN special rapporteur on the right to food, another of the five. At least two-thirds of Gazan households lack secure access to food, he said. "People are forced to make unacceptable trade-offs, often having to choose between food or medicine or water for their families." The other three experts were the UN special rapporteurs on physical and mental health, extreme poverty and human rights, and access to water and sanitation. the palmer report, failed to save the turkey/israel relationship. it tried to use both the turkey report and israel report and find a 'balance' without looking deeper into the situation and without doing any real investigation. all the other reports, which have come from different organizations, have concluded that the blockade is illegal.

it shouldn't have to hurt you and there is no need for you to react like this when jews criticize israel's actions and fight for palestinian rights. many of the leading figures in the fight for palestinian rights are jewish and many live in israel. kind of like how many of the leading figures who helped to end the apartheid in south africa were south african whites.

? see? this is what happens when you miss your medication. it makes you imagine things. unless of course you can show any proof of me 'over and over again flooding this board' supporting terrorism against israel. otherwise, i think you should stfu and take a break from internet communication.

• As someone who is Jewish, I was proud to take part in the protests at the Royal Albert Hall against the Israeli Philharmonic Orchestra. Those who proclaim that politics and culture don't mix, when they keep silent as the Freedom Theatre in Jenin is under constant attack by the Israeli military, its premises ransacked and two workers detained without trial, are a prime example of western hypocrisy. Culture, art and sport cannot be divorced from their social context. When I took part in demonstrations in 1970 against the Springbok rugby tour, this same argument was used. The BBC's attitude to broadcasting the all-white South African cricket team then was exactly the same as it is today towards Israel's cultural ambassadors. However, the Guardian and Daily Telegraph's cricket correspondents, John Arlott and Jim Swanton, took a principled stance, refusing to commentate for the BBC. The reason why Israel funds and subsidises artists, musicians and writers to travel abroad is stated in the contract that they sign. The artist agrees they will "promote the policy interests of the State of Israel via culture and art". Who would now say that it would have been wrong to mix politics and culture and disrupt the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra and the performances of their famous conductor, Wilhelm Furtwangler, when they toured in the 1930s? Tony Greenstein Jews for Boycotting Israeli Goods link

• Demonstrators, protesting against the Israeli government's treatment of Palestinians, disrupt the Israel Philharmonic's Prom. Reminds me of when demonstrators, protesting against the Soviet government's treatment of Jews, disrupted the Bolshoi Ballet in 1974. Shakespeare, Twelfth Night: "Thus the whirligig of time brings in his revenges." Gerald Kaufman MP Labour, Manchester Gorton link

yourself not included, i don't think we have people that old on this forum. the only winner after 911 is the military industrial complex. cha-ching.

you blame what israel is doing to the palestinians on the arabs. so the arabs have forced israel to create settlements on palestinian land. the arabs have forced israel to continuously expand these settlements, despite everyone, including the u.s. reminding them that it's illegal and that it works against any resolution. you blame the arabs for the killing of 1000 gazan civilians over a 3 week period. a killing spree where israel was accused of war crimes by every human rights organization and a zionist judge who actually hunted for nazis in argentina. the arabs are also at fault for the water and other resources israel continues to steal. the arabs are at fault for the wall and jewish-only highways that have created south african apartheid style cantons that disconnect palestinian schools, hospitals and communities from each other. you're a fake argus. you can't say you see fault on both sides and then blame what israel does on arabs. it's not simple, but it's a start. a palestinian state is a right for the palestinians. a right that they will see sooner or later. that's because you're a bigot who has a hard time accepting the miserable shithole that the israeli occupation has created.

my perspective is not as simple as yours. just because i disagree with the israeli government, it doesn't mean i agree with hamas and hezbollah.

you're all over the place bob. are you still denying that arabs have been living in palestine for centuries? now you want to act like a child and start comparing your team to other teams. if islam is a forgery, then so is judaism which copied zoroastrianism. the difference is that islam accepts judaism (and christianity) and does not hide that its beliefs are pretty much the same: Judaism and Zoroasrtianism are both revealed religions and share a great deal in common. God imparts his revelation and pronounces his commandments to Zoroaster on "the Mountain of the Two Holy Communing Ones"; in the other Yahweh holds a similar communion with Moses on Sinai. According to jewishencyclodedia.com the points of resemblance between Zoroastrianism and Judaism are many. In both faiths God is omniscient, omnipresent, and eternal, and creator of the universe. God operates through and governs the universe with the use of angels and archangels. This presents a parallel to Yahweh that is found in the Old Testament. The Zoroastrianism Spenta Mainyu is the Christian "Holy Spirit." link

you're simply trying to create something that is not. fact is that the arabs who have been living in palestine for centuries have a real connection to the land. whereas the european jews have very little if any connection to palestine. sure thing, bob. the jews' "homeland" could have been argentina or kenya. why was that? the israeli nationalism is full of hot air. there is no real history behind the connection. only 8% of the people living in palestine were jewish. the europeans, as it has been mentioned, do not have a real connection to the land. no one really cares or buys the whole biblical bullshit. fact remains that the land was over 90% arab and it was 90% arab for many centuries. who is we? are you a dark skinned descendant of canaanites? because if you're not, then you're talking out of your ass. you wish no ill towards the palestinians, but you want them out of their homeland. i'm sure your definition of israel is different than what the world recognizes. does your israel include the west bank and gaza?

even though it's beneficial towards the formation of a palestinian state, it's only political posturing. u.s. will never allow this to happen. israel, due to it's stubbornness, disrespect for its allies, international law and the political changes in arab countries continues to become more and more isolated. all it has left are u.s. and euro politicians that it funds through its lobby groups.

you are from the bottom of the barrel. welcome back rodent.

israelis didn't exist until the country was formed in 1948. why are you crying about the arabs who had lived in palestine for centuries and want to call themselves palestinian? you're not going to comment because it would ruin your stupid argument. so? israelis are russians, pollacks, hungarian, german, arabs, iraqis, ethiopean, etc. etc. "who cares" seems to have become your response to all the facts. people who care about facts care. you seem to be limited to the talking points and whenever challenged with facts surrounding the issue, you go into your "who cares" or "i don't give a damn". i ask you again, who are you to tell palestinians they can't call themselves palestinian? also, who are you to tell them that the land, which they've been living in for centuries doesn't belong to them? we know you're a racist xenophobe. no need to confirm it in every post.

then, in your definition, so are the words "israeli", "slovak", "salvadorian", "guatemalan", "algerian" and so on and so on. again, before the zionist migration to palestine by jews from all over europe, and before herzl and the rest of the zionist movement agreed to choose palestine over argentina and kenya, the population of palestine was over 90% arab. the land of palestine had over 700,000 inhabitants living there. you just can't make the facts go away.

you're telling me that there were no people in palestine prior to a few decades ago? they just suddenly and magically appeared claiming that their lands were being taken from them. which fantasy books are you getting your history from?

hah!

israeli nationalism is entirely reactionary. it begins with the persecution of jews in europe. palestinian nationalism started when their property and land were confiscated by occupiers in favour of european jews. who the fuck are you to tell these people to leave their land and go build somewhere else? you have to accept that over 90% of the habitant of palestine were arabs before the mass jewish migration from europe. it was their home and it was taken from them by force. they already had their own land where they've been living in for many centuries. why do they need to go build somewhere else to pay for what the europeans did to the jews in europe? it's no surprise how you never touch the argentina and uganda comment. the fact that other places besides palestine were considered by the zionist leaders to build a jewish state kind of ruins the whole facade that palestine is the eternal home of the jews.

we haven't seen the videos. all we've seen are a few edited clips by the IDF marketing team while hundreds of recordings by the passengers and the ship security video recordings have been confiscated by israel and never returned. israel has refused to hand those tapes to organizations, including the palmer panel investigating the incident. why does the IDF not want people to see the videos? hm?

Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, who heads the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva in the Yitzhar settlement, wrote in his book "The King's Torah" that even babies and children can be killed. "It is permissable to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are not responsible for the threatening situation," he wrote, adding: "If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments - because we care about the commandments - there is nothing wrong with the murder." Several prominent rabbis, including Rabbi Yithak Ginzburg and Rabbi Yaakov Yosef, have recommended the book to their students and followers. more: Rabbi Manis Friedman, an esteemed Chabad-Lubavitch rabbi from St. Paul, became the focus of controversy last week stemming from his short article in the recent issue of Moment magazine. In the magazine’s “Ask the Rabbis” column, Friedman, and rabbis from other Jewish streams, responded to the question, “How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors?” Under the “Chabad” heading, Friedman wrote: “I don’t believe in Western morality, i.e., don’t kill civilians or children, don’t destroy holy sites, don’t fight during holiday seasons, don’t bomb cemeteries, don’t shoot until they shoot first because it is immoral.

 The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle).

” it's no coincidence that over 350 children were killed in 3 weeks when israel attacked gaza.