Bob

Here's a video of incitement to violence (pretty much sanctioning murder) against the Ahmadiyya minority. This is very reminiscent of things I've seen from Imams/Mullahs inciting against Jewish people in the context of the Israel/Arab conflict - we must all be killed, basically. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N-7qeENdDI

Here is a video, surprisingly from Al-Jazeera, which suggests that there is also anti-Christian discrimination in Indonesia. This shouldn't really be surprising to anyone, however, as I'm quite certain nobody ever viewed Indonesia as a country which genuinely practises and enforces basic human rights.

So now I'm a propagandist who is trying to show the brutality of the enemy. Gotcha. Apparently this issue has been thoroughly discussed on MLW, as well. I guess you knew about these events before I made this post, too? Let's take our heads out of the sand for a moment. As you always do, you're running off on a completely irrelevant and incoherent tangent. This post is about something quite specific - that a specific Muslim minority known as the Ahmadiyya are being murdered, at least in this incident, but the a large group from the Muslim majority in Indonesia. You're trying to broaden this thread to the most absurd extreme - "religious violence" and "evil in the world". I'm not talking about the world, I'm talking about Indonesia. This kind of thing doesn't happen in Canada. It doesn't happen in the USA. It almost feels like you're preemptively trying to obfuscate the discussion for suspicious political reasons. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you? Are you afraid that the issue of fundamentalism in Islam will be brought up? Because I just brought it up, sorry. If you don't want to participate in the discussion, stay out of the thread. If you continue to follow me around and intentionally disrupt the dialogue (in this case, before the dialogue has even begun!) with your broad generalities and gibberish, however, I will call you out on it.

I see bud is in the house, I wonder if he'll answer the two or three simple questions I asked him yesterday in a straightforward manner. I'm betting that he will not. Well bud, you gonna give me a few straightforward responses or a few strange tangents and deflections?

Scare people into thinking what, exactly? All the video does is mention that the Muslim populations are growing rapidly in predominantly non-Muslim countries, which will lead to Muslim majority states all across Europe. Is that a cause for concern or isn't it? What exactly won't be an issue? Is it or is it not a concern that the Muslim population of all European countries is growing rapidly and will soon become the majority religion of the countries? If Canada begins to experience a similar phenomenon, as is likely to be the case, does Canada have a right to be concerned? Is there any component of the Muslim population that you find concerning? Any trend within that broader group of people that you find worrisome? So a Canada with a population that is 75% Muslim isn't something to be afraid of?

There are many other related videos on YouTube. The "Allahu Akbhar" chants also reveal quite a bit about the motivations of these murderers. For those who don't know, there have been incidents in Israel and Judea/Samaria where similar religiously-connected lynchings. I'm sure I don't need to mention what types of people were the victims and what types of people were the murderers, right? When I came across these videos I was immediately reminded of the lynching in Ramallah in 2000, when two Jewish men accidentally drove into Ramallah and were murdered by a group of the city's residents once they were "discovered" (for those who don't know, it is extremely dangerous for Jewish persons, especially Israelis, to venture into many Arab areas in the West Bank) to the thunderous applause of the spectators.

I came across this subject when reading the blog of an Iranian self-described "secular democracy activist". Apparently there is some very disturbing violence being carried out by groups of Muslims against a minority group, which apparently is another Muslim group. It's really sick. It also tells you how far behind countries like Indonesia are with respect to basic human rights. Be warned, I'm quite certain the second video shows a murdered man/corpse being attacked by these animals. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3FvE9nq65g

Well, that's your opinion. Judging by your posts, it's clear that you recognize politics for what it is, and although you might view the behaviour of excluding politically hostile elements from campaign events as counterproductive, on the other hand it helps maintain a composed and controlled message - which is clearly something you understand as being an effective part of campaigns. As an aside, assuming this girl was a troublemaker, she would've distracted from the event - which could potentially be damaging. There are degrees of exclusion, as well. Some people might view this as an example of the Harper campaign being too uptight and perhaps even fearful of dissent, and others might view it as a reasonable precaution to avoid rude and disruptive leftist students from hijacking an event in order to secure fifteen minutes of fame via Canadian media and YouTube.

Well, it's my view that it was a reasonable exclusion. I can't see how there was any likelihood that this girl's attendance would contribute positively to the campaign, rather, I think it was reasonable to view her as a potential liability.

You're going off on a tangent. Nobody mentioned anything about Sharia law. Please get back to the point and directly address my question. I have a simple question for you - do you reject the facts presented in the short video? Do you think that Muslim growth rates will NOT continue to lead to greater and greater proportions of populations that will be Muslims in the countries listed (Europe and the Americas_. I'm questioning your allegation of "fear mongering", because you seem to be disputing the facts presented in the video. If you do not dispute these facts, are you then comfortable with the possibility of Canada becoming a Muslim-majority state?

You are a perfect example of the insecure Goy who resents the image of the intelligent and successful Jew. Obviously this prejudice of yours was ingrained in you from a young age. I wonder if you are also, ironically, one of those Russians that came to Canada before the collapse of the Soviet Union by pretending to be Jewish.

Absolutely. And based on the track record of disruptions at all manner of political (or perceived to be political) events, this type of screening is necessary. Leftist students particularly have made a name for themselves by disrupting events, and this girl fits the bill of that type of student in many ways. There is certainly a possibility that she was there genuinely to participate in good faith, but the campaign staff made a reasonable judgement in preventing her attendance.

No, that would be stupid. Only an idiot would suggest that wearing jeans has a correlation to an individual's partisanship/political leanings. That seems to be what you're suggesting. Intelligent people, on the other hand, are able to recognize legitimate correlations between certain variables and an individual's (likely) partisanship/political leanings. Variables such as religion (and degree of observance, in this case the hijab), age, and field of study at university. Combined with the Facebook photo, the campaign staff made a reasonable judgement. Idiots are unable to differentiate between what happened here and the hypothetical example of barring someone from attending a private campaign event because they're wearing jeans.

It's about the context, though. It's in conjunction with the other red flags, as well as the Iggy photo. Although it's fair to assume that a hijab-wearing woman in Canada doesn't vote for the Conservative party, this little girl has even more red flags around her. She probably had nothing valuable to offer to this campaign event - she fits the profile of a disruptive attendee, and it in the view of the campaign staff it wasn't worth letting her in. She's also probably lying about the guards telling her that she was being removed due to affiliation with the Liberal Party. They probably removed her without telling her why.

Let's see a source for that, please. Wow. I mean, it's not like anybody in here respected you to begin with... but I think even this absurd comment is a new high-point for you.

I agree, it looks bad but unfortunately it's necessary. Does anyone really need to be reminded of examples of highly disruptive leftist students "protesting peacefully"? This might be viewed as an example of the few ruining things for the many, where disruptive antagonists ruin things for those who simply want to participate constructively and attend respectfully. Even if this little Muslim girl was indeed there with sincere intentions of simply being informed, the campaign staff obviously made the gamble that it was better to get rid of her than to allow her into event. They obviously thought that she would either be provocative or disruptive in one way or another. She's probably a Liberal or NDP supporters, anyways. Let's examine all the leftist red-flags which make removing her a safe bet - she's young, she's a poli-sci inversity student, and she's wearing a hijab. Maybe I'm wrong, but the odds are that she's a leftist and a risk to the vibe of the campaign event.

In all seriousness, I think you'll enjoy and agree with a lot of the suggestions and themes of these videos.

Exactly.

My mistake. Somehow I missed that you were referencing Obama.

You and I obviously have a disagreement over the death penalty, then. Madoff ruined lives. I don't hold the perspective that only physical crimes (murder, assault, rape) warrant execution as a penalty. Madoff did so much damage to so many people, and to top it off he was completely unrepentant. I'm guessing he's a sociopath, if not a psychopath. The type of sickness and lack of conscience that he must have in order to do what he did is unfathomable. As far as his son goes, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Please don't tell me you don't think his son was directly involved in the crimes. As was his wife. Why do he think he committed suicide, because of shame? He did it to avoid the justice he feared would come for him. I have no sympathy for a family of rats that lived large while stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from others.

Aren't these your own words? For a Marxist, he sure gets a lot of support from the Wall Street capitalists.

The only reason I like Trump is because of the poor alternatives. I like him because of the terrible context. Look at the other persons in the Republican and Democratic line-up: Barack Obama, Mike Huckabee, Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty, etc, etc.... It's a disastrous line-up. So far, anyways. What Trump running for President and having, so far, decent support tells me is how slim the pickings are with respect to decent (potential and declared) Presidential candidates. It's sad, but I think it's a depressing moment for Americans to look at their potential future leaders - hopefully some good challengers to Obama will arise in the not-too-distant future.

Well, you're just making that up. If Trump is serious about addressing the fall of manufacturing in America by imposing tariffs on imports (primarily from China) to give some competitive advantage to domestic manufacturers, then he won't be getting widespread support from many businesses. For example, the largest retailers (Wal-Mart, Target, Costco, etc) would oppose him. That would also translate to opposition from those "Wall Street capitalists" who are primarily concerned with the bottom line of these companies. I also think nobody but yourself really knows who the "Wall Street capitalists" are, or what their degree of support for Trump is.

What would be the purpose of discontinuing foreign aid to Israel? What about foreign aid to the Palestinians (from many states and organizations)? What about foreign aid to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Lebanon, and other Arab/Muslim states?

You're certainly under no obligation to watch anything. One would expect you to actually watch the video rather than address "points" that were never made. You watched a few minutes of the video, by your own admission, and then your ADD prohibited you from being able to complete the video. You then proceeded to come in here and ramble about "social services", which have nothing to do with the original video posted. You're just reaching and pulling things out of thin air, which instantly reveals to anyone that has watched these videos that you HAVE NOT watched the videos. Don't you see how ridiculous your comments are? Your building strawman after strawman, it's so pathetic. Watch the videos, I'm sure they won't hurt you. Or, feel free to continue to posting irrelevant tangents without watching the videos. Perhaps after fifty random posts you may accidentally stumble on a perspective that actually was a part of the videos.