Bob

Municipal, provincial, federal... who cares? It's tax money. It all comes from the same place. I think BC receives transfer payments from the Federal government, anyways, but it's irrelevant. The SCoC's decision will protect Insite from drug possession laws. So Insite "safe injection sites" are now effectively sanctuaries from criminals, where they enjoy immunity from the law with respect to drug possession and trafficking. That's what this whole story is about. It's funny how you jump so passionately into this discussion, yet you don't even know the fundamentals of today's SCoC decision.

And of course once again we've got leftists, this time manifested in the form of the SCoC, telling us that addicts have "rights" to "safe injection sites", while the burden for the provision of that "right" falls on the taxpayer. Apparently the Section 7 of the charter has come to mean, for drug addicts, that they should be provided with "safe injection sites". And of course we've also got the usual crowd of leftists talking about "science", "reason", "logic", "research", and "evidence" that these safe injection sites reduce crime, rates of addiction, and the spread of disease... without any serious proof of their astonishing claims. I'm sure they're using the safe "evidence" that's been around before Insite ever came into being. Like I said in another thread about Canada's deference to Islam's spread, this is just another example of why in the long run Canada and the broader Western world is finished. The ideology and worldview that is at the core of those who advocate for the maintenance of places like Insite, where the loser is somehow the victim who has special "rights", will be our undoing. We're finished in the long term.

Are you really unable to grasp the point I was making? The public service shouldn't be there to make special concessions and accommodations for every whim and desire of the workforce, whether it be Islam or yoga. And it certainly shouldn't be imploring its employees to adjust their ordinary behaviours in order to accommodate special interests. Ah well, eventually we'll have Muslim prayer rooms everywhere. It's just a matter of time.

It's fine, you provide entertainment to the forum in how you view yourself as a logical and rational person who is dumbfounded by certain facts - such as certain ethnic groups being overrepresented in various barometers. Listening to you, one would be left with the impression that Somalian immigrants and their children in Canada aren't overrepresented in all things bad. And heaven forbid, in the event that sufficient "evidence" is provided to you to prove this, you'd then blame external factors such as phantoms of "racism" or "discrimination" that hold these people back. Keep on asking for "proof", "cites", "studies", "research", or "evidence" of facts while thinking that acting like a robot is somehow an endearing quality that places you on a higher plain than the rest of us. When in fact, acting like a robot demanding "proof" of claims such as blacks being overrepresented in prison just tells us you live under a rock or are committed to being obtuse. Don't ever change, you're great comic relief.

American Woman, it's already happening in certain federal offices. We've got this thing up here called Health Canada (I'm sure you're heard of it), it's our Canadian counterpart to your FDA. I know people who work for Health Canada who have told me that unofficial Muslim prayer rooms exists in their buildings. Usually a rarely used boardroom or a vacant office, but they exist. If people can choose to use certain facilities for their religious observances, then so should any person for any other reason. If I want to go do a yoga session and meditation on my break, I should be permitted to use those rooms and be free from interruption. Of course, that isn't going to happen.

It's a fact because people I know very well who work in federal departments have told me so. I'm not making it up, and I could care less whether or not you believe me. There are plenty of "reports" out there regarding similar things, such as prayer rooms being used in public schools and special time off being given to Muslims students who choose to pray with an Imam in places like lunch rooms/cafeterias and gymnasiums.

See, I've met people like him before so he's not a novelty to me. In his own mind he is ultra rational and logical, always seeking "proof", "evidence", "studies", or a "cite". In the real world, however, he just reveals how mechanical he is. You gotta have a sense of humour about these things. As much as I despise people who hold the political views of leftists like Michael Hardner (no doubt he views himself as a "rational centrist"), at least I can take a moment to laugh at his methods of operation.

THIS was a really funny gaffe from Obama. To be fair, being the President of the USA is certainly a hard job and he's always in front of the camera. He's bound to make mistakes. The double standard seen in the media with respect to how Bush was portrayed as dumb while Obama is seen as an "intellectual" (yeah, right) is apparent as these types of gaffes were completely buried.

Here is one of many videos online of Obama's many gaffes. He has said unbelievably stupid things so many times.

Obama is a gaffe-machine. He stutters all the time. He's a much worse off-the-cuff speaker than George Bush. Of course, most people still subscribe to this mythology of Obama being a great orator (he does have a good voice when he tries, and when he's reciting a rehearsed speech), because the media buries his innumerable gaffes.

Your claim was that the ICC is "independent" from the UN. It is not. It "judges" on "international law" largely established by the UN. And the USA's obscene funding of the UN (about 25% of its budget) frees up money for other countries to pay for the ICC, since they don't pay their share in the UN. It's just like how Canada and Europe freeload off of American security guarantees (which are paid for by the American taxpayer).

While bud ignores, or is completely oblivious of, the ways in which the "Palestinians" conduct themselves. Apparently it's alright for "Palestinians" to indoctrinate their children with hatred and aspirations for Jihad, it's totally fine to run lynch mobs on any "undesirables" (a Jewish person who took a wrong turn, another "Palestinian" accused of being gay, or a "Palestinian" girl who didn't obey instructions from her male superiors), regularly engage in mass murder and terrorist campaigns for a century, rewrite history, and glamorize "the resistance" to Jewish existence in "their land". Oh wait, they only do that because the Jews "started it".

Anyone else find it amusing how Michael Hardner fancies himself as some sort of philosopher? He thinks he's giving us a crash course in epistemology, or something. it's hilarious. I bet if I said the NFL was the blackest professional sports organization he's demand a "cite", or if we told him that renters tend to take worse care of their homes than owners he'd demand "proof". It's a complete waste of time speaking with someone so consistently obtuse. He acts as if behaving like a robot is some sort of endearing quality.

Do none of you work in the public service in any serious positions or not know any people that do? They've already got quasi-Islamic prayer rooms in many government buildings. Someone very close to me advised me that where he works (a major federal organization), unused offices have become makeshift Muslim prayer rooms. Just another example of the path of self-destruction that Canada is currently on.

When orthodox Jews are flying planes into buildings and engaging in other suicide bombings around the world, let me know. You think this is just about clothing?

I never mentioned racial superiority, I mentioned cultural superiority. And I will continue to repeat that and stand by it. If people who subscribe to inferior and incompatible cultural values continue to be imported, we'll continue to see the problems associated with such political correctness. As far as religious garb, well, I'm not dumb enough to think that someone dressed as a desert nomad has anything of value to offer our society. Your statement boils down to the assertion that everyone who isn't dressed like a desert nomad is essentially the same. As far as "tolerance" of religiosity, people can do whatever they want, as long as they adhere to all the same expectations and standards as everyone else. I don't care what religion someone identifies with, but don't send me some email on their behalf telling me to be "sensitive" to their month-long hunger due to their choice to fast during the day. Don't tell me to not vomit when I see people washing their feet in the sink before their extra breaks to pray to Allah. Don't tell me not to advise Fatima to wear better deodorant when she's wrapped up like some cavewoman on a hot July day just as I would Rick who bikes to work. If you want to deflect to Israel, another subject you pretend to have familiarity with, let's do it. I am absolutely opposed to Israel's pandering to ultra-religious in Israel, as well. They're not nearly as bad as the Arabs/Muslims, of course, but the problem is there. I am never inconsistent.

Watching the debate was a depressing experience, it was like watching tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum, along with teedle-fem. It was three leftists "debating" each other with talking points and partial speeches. The fact that Tim Hudak is labeling himself as a "conservative" is utterly nauseating. No serious chiding of the e-health scandal (as if transcribing documents to electronic format and harmonizing communications between various healthcare providers is either an expensive or long-term project). No serious criticism of the disgusting identity politics being played by McGuinty with his ten-thousand dollar bribe in order to prioritize new arrivals to Canada. When McGuinty started using his code language in order to portray Hudak as some sort of anti-immigrant or racist man, I wanted to jump through the screen and rip the premier's head off. It's the same disgusting rhetoric we always see in these forums, where such accusations are the norm. Don't remember the name of the NDP woman, but she stayed true to NDP form when she started playing games about "freezing tuition" (in other words, more spending as costs for the delivery of education continually rise like everything else the government controls) as if students in Ontario are being destroyed with debt. She then showed her ideological commitment to socialism by refusing to cede any possibility of introduction of market solutions to address our healthcare shortage problems. She actually used the term "profit" in some sort of derogatory manner, pandering to her idiot base of socialists and communists. If I was a massively ignorant moron who knew nothing about reality, I'd probably prefer McGuinty as he's the most telegenic, charismatic, and has plenty of "facts" and "statistics" to add the illusion of credibility. Since I am not an ignorant moron who lives in the world of fantasy, I saw right through his lies that he muttered with every breath he took. Basically, that "debate" was a perfect example of why Ontario will continue its descent into self-destruction. Keep spending more than you raise. Keep interfering with the economy and crippling growth. Keep pandering to ethnic, racial, and religious minorities (two from a handful of questions were from "Muhammad" and "Bilal"). Spend us into oblivion and keep importing third-world trash while blaming healthcare problems on "six-figure salaries" or hospital executives, and not unions. Real conservatism is dead in Ontario. Oh, and who selected McGuinty's glasses? They were terrible. And Hudak's tie? These are the morons vying for the premiership...

One can only imagine what kind of bubble Michael Hardner lives in. It's as if he was born yesterday. Is it some sort of secret that certain ethnic groups outperform the average (Jews and Asians, for example) while others underperform and are overrepresented in all bad things (Island folks like Jamaicans and Haitians, most Muslims from Arab countries, Somalians, etc)? It's hilarious that the leftists keep calling for "proof", as if they weren't able to notice these truths while living their lives under a rock. Go to a university graduation once in awhile for a real program like mechanical engineering or biochemistry, and you'll see certain minority surnames pop up a lot. I went to a medical clinic the other and noticed that at least 8% of the physicians working there (it had all sorts of specialists and general practitioners) had Jewish surnames, and that was a conservative estimate considering that I was iffy on other surnames. Not bad, considering Jews compose about 2% of the Canadian population. But of course, the endless refrain of "proof proof proof" for people who live with their heads buried in the sand and can't arrive at any conclusions whatsoever without a leftist professor from Carleton University telling them what to think.

Do you also need proof that Jews and Asians outperform the average on most barometers? IQ? Income? Academic achievement? Lowered tendency to be involved in crime?

As you'd expect, Statistics Canada doesn't collect this information because it's politically incorrect. I'm not here to convince anyone, I know the reality of the things I'm speaking of. It's irrelevant to me whether or not leftists like yourself choose to continually obfuscate and deflect (like Michael Hardner did with American Woman's repeated demonstrations of the double standard of "sensitivity" measures taken towards Muslims vs. non-Muslims) in order to cling to your fantasy perception of the world you wish existed, where all people and all groups are equal (hint - they're not).

I know Muslims surgeons, engineers, lawyers, and accountants. Doesn't change the fact that Muslims are overrepresented in all things bad in Canada - welfare, crime, disease, academic underachievement, etc. It takes just a few moments to confirm this, go drive through trashy neighbourhoods and subsidized housing projects, and you'll see a much greater proportion of Muslims than they compose of the broader population. I'm sure it's the same thing in jail, and it's definitely true in the walk-in clinics and emergency rooms as many of them abuse our family reunification laws and bring over their diseased relatives.

I'm laughing at the thought of Michael Hardner tripping over himself apologizing over and over for offering a Muslim co-worker a bite of his pork chops, and the Muslim co-worker wondering what all the fuss is about and why Michael Hardner is so deranged. Why the hell would anyone be offended if you offered them some food that they are religiously prohibited from eating? People who would be so ridiculous need to be deported to Rwanda ASAP, along with Michael Hardner.

I'll trust the intelligent posters in this forum to decide for themselves, based on their own experiences and observations, whether or not Muslims in a broad sense outperform non-Muslim Canadians on any meaningful barometer (they don't, that's why garbage neighbourhoods and subsidized-housing projects have plenty of them). Unfortunately for you, some people in here are intelligent and experienced enough to arrive as accurate conclusions regarding this question on their own. They don't need some 22-year-old social science student with a gig at Stats Can and a political agenda to tell them what to think based on a "study" that did a hundred surveys in Toronto.

And as I've already explained, perhaps you would have preferred that used other names for these hypothetical character I used to illustrate Muslim practises being discusses in a thread about a Muslim sensitivity memo, such as Jane and Justin?

Without question Muslim Canadians do not outperform the average Canadian on any meaningful barometer. And if you want to get more precise, there is absolutely no doubt that there is a positive correlation between Muslim religiosity and lack of education/academic achievement, rejection of fundamental social values, dependence on welfare and other social support, and lower income, and probably even disease and criminal activity. Moreover, immigrants from certain countries are overwhelmingly a failure in our society (Somalia, as a perfect example)