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Because this is a discussion board. No shit Sherlock, but what is your opinion? Ah, here we go: So you are saying the immigration rates are directly in proportion to some sort of political factor and that politicians and leaders would deliberately hard their country in order to secure political power? So politician A, having access to the same information as you - that unquestionably show there to be harmful effects to their current immigration rates, would sell the majority out in order to secure a few immigrant votes. I find that hard to believe don't you?

Agreed. I think if the sources are sound, it has it's utility no less than any other encyclopedia.

Fair enough, sustainable rates, assimilation of the hordes, etc. But tell me, why on earth did they set the rates at the current levels? I mean, do they have some sort of politically correct disease that blinds them to the terror of their present immigration rate? What other explanation could there be?

There is no "PC Party." As bill said, the PC's merged with the Reform to create the Conservative Party of Canada, or CPC...

Need you go on? LOFL! All you have done is shown modern conveniences - and time consuming ones to boot! But you haven't come even a little bit close to explaining why they wouldn't have the same amount of time - leisure or 'free' time - to do such works. Never mind a structured society that had had a class of stone worker bees. A 50 year lifespan could include 25 productive years of tap-tap-tap with a chisel or more, assuming that one apprentices at an early age. And with a society structured a certain way, "retirement" for them might have meant death. I think there is a sort of interesting presentism that assumes that because we have all these modern conveniences, that somehow we have more leisure or 'free' time than ancient peoples. This isn't a necessary concept: Original Affluent Society I don't think this was the status quo for all hunter-gatherer societies, of course not, but when we encounter breath-taking works such as this, it isn't a stretch to imagine that they hand time to spend. If the area of Gobekli Tepe was a rich, bountiful region, sustaining themselves might have been fairly easy and provided for lots of time for their society to create these works over a long period of time.

You don't have a problem with me doing this do you? Invoking the US when it suits my purpose? Because that is what your usual histrionics is all about, or so it seems. If you don't like it, give me a good reason why I shouldn't do it. Using the US to illustrate works perfectly since, as a whole, the US tends to lean more toward the right than up here. So, even there - with it's more right leaning attitudes - socialism and socially oriented programs are safe. So much so that the right wing in the US has found a utility, along with the comfort level, with those big US welfare programs.

I did give you some "data" in the form of a suggestion that domestic abuse, sexual assaults, minor assaults, etc., went unreported in 1962. Also, DUI went largely unreported as well. But now you are saying that crime stats from the 1960's are "obviously" relevant. How so? Do you have an opinion on that or something. Seems to me you are hiding behind another era...

Agreed. But Scotty should knock off all the insults, which are against the forum rules. He might have to report himself!

Ignoring your usual histrionics, are you saying that the US isn't a modern welfare state?

I have a couple of kids that were identified as 'gifted' and one who would have been through sheer hard work. My daughter was sailing along into high school, getting all the awards and then a teacher's strike happened. She was so disillusioned with that process that she basically gave up on high school teaching as being serious about academics and focused on the arts. My second youngest was indentified after he read a novel to his kindergarten teacher - it was a kid's novel series, creepy stories or something. (he picked up on languages right away, around 2) Luckily his kindergarten teacher fostered that brightness. In grade two we had a meeting with the school - a smallish neighbourhood grade school - and they wanted to place him in another school, which he would have to be bused, and we said no. Our position was that his social conditions, with all his neighbourhood buddies, was as important as his advanced schooling. They complained about not having the resources for gifted children. I fired back that they had plenty of resources including material from the grade above. They relented, designed a program for him and he stayed there until he finished grade 8. We never pressured him over grades, but rather encouraged broad learning and critical thinking. He is a few years out of high school now, but all his neighbourhood buddies are still his buddies and he has contact with them on a regular basis. He has settled on Concordia for history and then U of T for law. When I was in grade school back in the day, I wasn't identified as "gifted" but "advanced" in certain subject areas. So while I didn't actually skip a grade, the school was set up in such a way to allow me to particiapte in classes from the next grade up. I was lucky in that respect because I had access to high school classes when in grade school. But my own experience was input into how I dealt with my own kids. Stability and consistency is the key in any schooling decision for any child. When there is stability and consistency, no matter what their achievement level, kids will thrive. This is one of the main reasons why I think smaller neighbourhood grade schools and a lower teacher-student ratio is the way to go.

LOFL! Here is the lastest "cheap shot." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isf4Bo4xHa4

Why do you necessarily presume that they wouldn't have the same amount of time to work in a day for a given period of time as a modern? Even IF it were a few hours a day pecking away at some chunk of stone, they could do an impressive amount of work over a 25 year period. Now imagine hundreds of them.

No, even in the US where welfare, medicare, corporate bailouts, and the other TON of social programming etc., etc,. are pretty safe. They might change form from time to time, but the substance is the same.

Well why is that? The "far right" designation? If you disagree, then say why. Canada and the US are modern welfare states within which the right wing of the political spectrum operates just fine. If challenges to welfare, immigration and interest groups are mainstream with the right wing, well I certainly don't see it in any great degree. Sure there might be the usual rhetoric, but no concrete moves away from welfare, immigration and interest groups, especially since those social entities support most right wing goals. No, the mistake you are making here - especially with a view towards Canada - is that the left is entitled to their legislation that supports the modern welfare state with its welfare, health care, immigration policies and special interest groups. The CPC are in majority power and we won't be seeing any sort of dismantling of our social programs will we? That is because the right wing in Canada will only go so far because they are still, at the core, liberal. The far right in Canada, well, they lack the power to do anything other than whine and complain about the left all the while enjoying the fruits of that leftist legislation.

Yep, TIC for sure. And no, I didn't chuckle when Stockwell Day made his pronouncements, I just shook my head in sadness. But if you have any data that shows why crime statistics from 1962 should be relevant, then please, do share. And if you have any more data showing the unreported crime rate from the 1960's, please bring that too. I'd love to see it.

It was absurd as I could make it without seeming desperate.

Aw, Scotty, I post facts and you post your fantasies. LOFL!!!

The Packers are going to repeat so all you second place supporters just relax.

Well it is an expression of fact, no less valid in a logical argument than any other symbolic expression of an eventuful truth. And that fact is, I laughed out loud when I read Jack's comment. Brought a little tear to my eye it did, it was that funny. That the humour was at your expense is all the more sweet. That you respond with a impotent insult, sweeter still.

No. Fuschians is the stand-in for when all of humanity is a nice blended hue, a golden mean as it were. What?

Well, do you have other numbers of unreported crime rates from the 1960's to which we may refer?

Well I figure that I have spent the better part of 25 years going tap-tap-tap on a computer. Replace the keyboard with a hammer and chisel and I could see how someone could do something pretty amazing over a lifetime.

Meh, they aren't doing a very good job if their goal is to take over Europe: Islam in Europe Map And likely most of them are productive citizens, cool with their digs and not out take over anyone. Probably generating quite a bit of tax revenue too.

Just like the two world wars actually, where the real men went off to fight for freedom leaving the cities in the hands of the sissies. Right?

BWA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!