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You need to realize that Israel, or any other country cannot acquire title to territory by conquest. It's a fundamental rule of international law which Israel and almost all other countries are signatory to. Resolution 242 clears any misconception on whether or not Israel has a right to acquire land by war.

Shame on you Danny. Why don't you go post your ad on Craiglist?

Bob. I think you need to give yourself a timeout. Your propaganda machine is broken. You have totally gone off the script and are now sharing what you are really feeling. This will not help your cause and agenda. You need to stay within the narrative. Your comments would confuse Hitler. He would be thinking why would a Jew be talking about a group of people the way I talked about Jews.

It's desperation. The number of Israeli/Jewish pacifists who are realizing Israel's approach has brought nothing but insecurity and a negative view from the world have increased. The desperation and fear of losing their grip has extremist fascists, who are in the minority, like Bob (and Bonam and the "Radical leftist Lawyer", jbg, who seems to agree with whatever he says) screaming at the top of their lungs. Their true colours are shining brighter than ever.

It's amazing that you would make this comment. Reality seems to disagree with you. Arafat signed an official statement, accepting Israel and resolution 242, way back in the late 80's. It was reconfirmed during the Oslo agreements. It sounds like you either don't know this basic information or you pretend that you don't know, which would make you a dishonest person. Hamas' leaders Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi, Ismail Haniyeh and Khalid Mashaal have also stated several times that their willingness to make peace and recognize Israel based on the 1967 borders. I am amazed that you don't know this, based on the education and knowledge you claim to have. Meanwhile, Likud has repeatedly and officially voted to never allow a Palestinian State, despite what Bibi keeps saying. I would sit here and respond to the rest of your misinformation, but I think you need to learn and accept the simple facts above, before we can move forward. I think it's safe to say that you're advocating fascism.

Reality is that you posted some web site of a restaurant in Gaza that was last updated in 2006 and which has videos of Mahmoud Abbas visiting the restaurant. Then you declared that the restaurant is evidence that the Gazans are living in luxury and that all the organizations, including Amnesty, HRW and now Red Cross are all lying. When you were called on your flagrant bullshxt, you ran off. Get a grip, Army Guy.

Okay. I only have a few minutes because I really need my beauty sleep. How does Israel defend itself? Follow international law and work with the 1967 border. It's not like the PLO rejects it. Hamas has already said they would be willing to consider the Arab League proposal (which supports the 1967 border). In the meantime, they should freeze all the illegal settlement activities while an agreement is reached. An agreement that could involve land swap and compensation to the refugees, instead of a right of return. During the ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, Hamas did not fire any rockets into Israel. Not to say that during the ceasefire no rockets were fired. There were a few militant/terrorist groups in the Gaza strip who did fire a few rockets, but they should be looked at the same way as extremist settlers who commit violent acts towards Palestinians. They should not be the cause of war. As you probably remember, it was Israel who attacked Hamas and killed something like 6 of their members, which ended the successful ceasefire. In retaliation, Hamas fired rockets and well, we know what happened next. Let me ask you a fundamental question (I'm quite sure I know your answer): Yes. Absolutely. The land that has been lawfully allocated to Israel should never be taken from her. Let me ask you a fundamental question - I'm afraid I know the answer, based on the Caroline Glick video you posted: Do you think the Palestinians have a right to have their own state?

Ah. Right doc. Maybe you want to reply to the following which American Woman is unable to do: You haven't pointed to any information confirming that those who are running the tunnels are also firing rockets so they could continue to make 'millions' on these tunnels. Show some reference to these millionaire tunnel owners who shoot rockets to keep their tunnel business going. The situation, despite your suggestion, is not 50/50. Furthermore, I do not see anyone here defending Hamas' illegal actions, like rocket attacks or suicide attacks. Do you see it? Because if you do, point me to it and I will make a comment about it. The reason why I point to Israel's illegal actions is because there are people here, like yourself, who try to defend it. Also, because our governments here in the West defend Israel, even though their actions are illegal. This is why Israel's disproportionate acts and violations of international law are debate worthy. I think international law sets a pretty good precedent on what is right and what is wrong. For example, it is wrong to collectively punish people, which is Israel is doing. Hold it right there. Of course backed by UN? You're babbling and making things up again. Not sure how many times this needs to be repeated that the following have deemed Israel to be violating international law. Some of these organizations are independent of the UN: The Red Cross Amnesty International HRW Richard Goldstone (backed by UN) And numerous other professional organizations Wrong. You are babbling again and creating a story in your head. I look at the report and investigations made by experts in this field and come to my own conclusion. I happen to trust the neutrality and professionalism of organizations such as the Red Cross and Amnesty International and also a person like Richard Goldstone. No one has said you can't fight back and defend yourself. That's not what international law is about. If you knew anything about international law, you wouldn't make such an ignorant comment. Fighting back against these neighbours, if the police in your neighbourhood is unable to help, does not mean that you can go and blow up a whole block and kill everyone on that block. You're babbling nonsense again. Here is a simple fact: - We all call Hamas' violation of law, a violation of law. - You don't call Israel's violation of law, a violation of law and instead you try to justify it.

Sure thing Bob. Wow. Wikipediahas a section about what Bob advocates and supports: Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.[15] They claim that culture is created by collective national society and its state, that cultural ideas are what give individuals identity, and thus rejects individualism.[15] In viewing the nation as an integrated collective community, they see pluralism as a dysfunctional aspect of society, and justify a totalitarian state as a means to represent the nation in its entirety.[16][17] They advocate the creation of a single-party state.[18] Fascists reject and resist autonomy of cultural or ethnic groups who are not considered part of the fascists' nation and who refuse to assimilate or are unable to be assimilated.[19] They consider attempts to create such autonomy as an affront and threat to the nation.[19] Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.[20] They identify violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.

You said the same thing the last few times when you couldn't respond to facts.

I support the right for people like Bob to voice their opinion. Even if their opinion advocates fascism.

You haven't pointed to any information confirming that those who are running the tunnels are also firing rockets so they could continue to make 'millions' on these tunnels. Show some reference to these millionaire tunnel owners who shoot rockets to keep their tunnel business going. The situation, despite your suggestion, is not 50/50. Furthermore, I do not see anyone here defending Hamas' illegal actions, like rocket attacks or suicide attacks. Do you see it? Because if you do, point me to it and I will make a comment about it. The reason why I point to Israel's illegal actions is because there are people here, like yourself, who try to defend it. Also, because our governments here in the West defend Israel, even though their actions are illegal. This is why Israel's disproportionate acts and violations of international law are debate worthy. I think international law sets a pretty good precedent on what is right and what is wrong. For example, it is wrong to collectively punish people, which is Israel is doing. Hold it right there. Of course backed by UN? You're babbling and making things up again. Not sure how many times this needs to be repeated that the following have deemed Israel to be violating international law. Some of these organizations are independent of the UN: The Red Cross Amnesty International HRW Richard Goldstone (backed by UN) And numerous other professional organizations Wrong. You are babbling again and creating a story in your head. I look at the report and investigations made by experts in this field and come to my own conclusion. I happen to trust the neutrality and professionalism of organizations such as the Red Cross and Amnesty International and also a person like Richard Goldstone. No one has said you can't fight back and defend yourself. That's not what international law is about. If you knew anything about international law, you wouldn't make such an ignorant comment. Fighting back against these neighbours, if the police in your neighbourhood is unable to help, does not mean that you can go and blow up a whole block and kill everyone on that block. You're babbling nonsense again. Here is a simple fact: - We all call Hamas' violation of law, a violation of law. - You don't call Israel's violation of law, a violation of law and instead you try to justify it.

I have no problem with the tunnels. It's a way to survive the illegal blockade. The rockets, as I have pointed out repeatedly, are wrong and illegal. Even though they've only killed a handful of Israelis in the past few years, it is still wrong and I strongly condemn the act. But don't let that fact stop you from you continuously accusing me of supporting Hamas' illegal acts. Remind me when your objective view point condemns Israel's illegal actions, like the blockade which has been described by the Red Cross as a a violation of international law. Israel's blockade is not legal. Usually, violating humanitarian law should end discussions and people don't try to justify it. But in your case, you prefer to justify it, despite strong criticism from many different expert organizations such as Red Cross, Amnesty International, HRW, UNCHR, Richard Goldstone and numerous organizations.

Why is talking about current affairs a nuisance? If you think it is, then maybe you are in the wrong forum.

There you go. So let us look at the situation. What are the reasons and what are the motives? As you have said, is Hamas purposely wanting to prevent the selected fortilla aid to get into Gaza because they want to starve their own people and then blame Israel, or as Hamas have said, are they doing it because they want to protest Israel's illegal blockade? My personal opinion is that Hamas wants to put further focus and international pressure on Israel, while the news is hot, by saying they will not accept the aid as long as the activists are being held and the illegal blockade is continuing. This political move by Hamas will damage them more than help the situation.

I pointed out the misinformation in your previous post and this is the result: "I pick and choose which of your posts I comment on". Your damaged credibility is not necessarily because me or anyone else is smarter than you. It's mostly because people use facts to back up their points while you 'pick and choose' when you are faced with these facts. Maybe instead of your long-winded opinion pieces and overcompensating by using emoticons, why not try citing real information and respond to facts.

You continue to pick and choose. It's your choice to do that.

Maybe to you it does, but Mapleleafweb forum does not represent life. I post an average of 2 posts a day. I don't know how much you spend to type up a post, but for me, 2 posts doesn't take all of my day. Stop being a nuisance.

You cry that no one reads your posts even after your posts are quoted and answered directly. Then you have the nerve to make something up. Who said that it's all Israel's fault? Personally, I even made a thread about Egypt and other groups who are to blame for the mess in Gaza. Think before you type. You either don't inform yourself about what you comment on, or you conveniently omit information, which would make you a dishonest person. Information like: Hamas officials on Wednesday refused to allow into the Gaza Strip 21 truckloads of humanitarian aid that had been offloaded from the Gaza-bound flotilla ships currently docked at Ashdod Port, until “all” of those detained in Monday’s naval raid were released. link Cite some proof of this. You can't afford to make comments and for everyone to take your word for it. You've damaged credibility too much already. A perfect example is right above. Yes, thank you for making the point that the blockade is not working. Smugglers are building tunnels to bring in goods which probably include weapons.

Excellent post Mr. Limbaugh.

I don't care to dedicate every thread to personal information. I posted this, because I am obviously interested in the region's politics. I'm quite certain that Iran is doing this to further inflame the situation. We'll see how Israel will handle it.

Guardian Iran is sending two aid shipments towards Gaza, officials said today, a move likely to further heighten tensions with Israel. It was not clear if the two ships will attempt to sail directly to Gaza or go to adjoining Egypt. In January last year an Iranian boat was refused permission to unload a shipment of supplies for Gaza after it docked in Egypt.

Ireland expels Israeli diplomat I wonder if DogOnPorch and American Woman are still in denial.

Australia expels Israeli diplomat over Dubai killing

Bob, how about some honesty here? Stop pretending that everything Israel is doing is in the name of self defense. Tell me how the illegal settlements are for self defense. Tell me how the wall that cuts into Palestinian territory is for self defense. Tell me how illegally demolishing Palestinian homes and then building Jewish only homes is self defense. Tell me how banning pasta, toys and cinnamon is self defense. Tell me how, allowing some wheelchairs through, but taking out the battery packs is self defense. You have abused the meaning of 'self defense' and 'anti-semitism.' With the way information travels, it is becoming more and more difficult to use the failed self-defense argument. You can't punch someone in the face and then not expect a response. Then if the person responds, you can't grab an axe and cut their head off and claim self defense.