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Which is not that same as claiming that in Canada it's illegal to choose your own doctor.

Upon further reflection..... Nope. you still don't have a point. Nope. I would say that Canadians on average have better than average teeth. Hint: next time you use an example of why private care is better, choose someone who didn't die prematurely of what may turn out to be doctor error.

Concede what point? You said there's nothing worse than a bad boob job. I said I could think of some things.. and you're crowing about having won some concession? You're way too good at this debating thingy, because that's way beyond my comprehension. Dental services should be covered for dependant children. I could make an argument that preventive care be covered universally too, if you want to go there. He had a personal live-in doctor. For what good it did him. That's not true.

I can think of worse things. I'm sure you have a point, but it keeps getting lost in all the trolling.

Yes, I know it is. THat's why I odn't really take it too seriously. I find it a little interesting that you feel your anecdote trumps mine though. I don't care. Cosmetic boob jobs aren't covered under UHC. Nice try. Oh right. So people who have more money are more deserving of better health care. I'm sure all the disadvantaged kids will appreciate that kind of thinking.

Yes, I saw that. We were posting at the same time. Thanks. I did notice that Bush/Cheney fell silent on that tangent. I'm all shocked and stuff.

There but for the grace of God and all that. Besides, this isn't about boob jobs.

Are we swapping anecdotes? All right then. I'll see you your premie and raise you mine... or rather, my sister's. My niece was born 15 weeks early, weighing slightly over a pound. My sis was in the hospital prior to the delivery, trying in vain to stop labour. She delivered her right there in the hospital, didn't need a transfer at all. My niece spent the next 3 or so months in the SCN at the adjoining Children's Hospital. Again, no transfer to another hospital, local or the "states" (why are we putting this in quotes, anyway?) My sis had excellent care and her baby thrived too. Point? Not really sure. Anecdotal evidence is interesting, but doesn't give an overall picture.

That's like bitching about EI, whining that after paying into it for years you never collected a cent and how unfair that is. It's insurance. Good for you for maintaining steady employment and having great health. I don't really get the point of your argument. You lost me right off the top, with the home owner comment. Do you have any stats that would indicate a greater percentage of Americans own their homes versus Canadians? If not, I fail to see the relevance.

When one has nothing to add, he must resort to ridiculing his "opponent". I never disputed the "facts". I'm well aware that sometimes patients have to be sent elsewhere. That's one of the great things of being such close allies - we share resources as we can.

My niece got incredible premie care here at home. Is it sometimes necessary to send them elsewhere? Sadly yes. Do people use these situations to puff up their chests and crow about how much better their country is? Again, sadly yes.

Nice dodge. No wait, it's not... I noticed.

How many Canadians are dying in queue vs Americans losing their life savings? Canadians DON'T lose their homes because of Canadian medical costs... and Americans probably die waiting for services too. I can't believe how often stuff like this comes up. Do you think everyone is given a number and told to take a seat and wait? You make some snarky comment about premies being shipped off to the "states" (why the quotes?). Got some stats or numbers or ANYthing to back that up?

Cultural lifestyle of free sex with multiple partners?

I'd add one more thing... if you're returning bottles such as Corona... take the moldy lime wedges out. No-one wants to deal with that. I return my returnables to a return-it depot. THey have counters for sorting and you're in and out fairly quickly. Also, they take everything back, not just alcohol empties,

psssst.... he wants us to have more babies. But only if we're the "right" sort of people.

oh no! oh wait.... my grandparents weren't born here. whew, crisis averted.

I'm left handed... isn't that what you were referring to?

Some are, for sure. I think you understood the "fror free" comment, but just in case... yes, we pay for our health care through our taxes. This means when we go to the doctor or the hospital of the lab for tests, there usually aren't any fees, so in essence, we're going for free. We don't have to sink ourselves into debt or declare bankruptcy if we're sick or injured. Even the poor get decent health care.

Hydro easement. They have use of the land, but they don't own it. Some residents were hoping they'd have the land with no hydro poles... even though they've been there for years. The original option was to bury the lines, but the homeowners said they didn't want their lovely gardens dug up... please dig up the street instead.

He actually meant to say, "That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind"

You're forgetting about the slippery slope. I'm religious and I'm all for "gay rights". I was shocked when Cali voted for Prop 8, although some people seem to think it wasn't about SSMs so much as something else that was in there. I forget.

The government didn't do "a bad job" on the issue. They probably just underestimated the resolve and publicity of their opponents... who were wrong, by the way. Put it this way.... one of the most outspoken people against the power lines bought his house along the ROW precisely because he figured the protesters would win and he'd end up with a large chunk of land for a relatively cheap price. I talk to people in the riding too.

You really don't understand the dynamics of the riding.

The NDP is a perennial also-ran in Delta South. Oppal would have won the riding handily if not for the popularit of Vicki Huntington, then independant, as well as some strong feelings of "èntitlement"in the area, with regard to the overhead hydro lines. She was elected on that issue alone. Delta South is the riding he lives in. He - or any federal Liberal - would have a difficult time defeating the current long-term MP.