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I explained that in my post to ac, christmas is just a meaningless name to me, it's the solstice, christmas/solstice it's the same thing ...just as Kleenex has become another name for tissue...my xmas as probably much like yours and ac's

when the serbians attempted to ethnically cleanse kosovo did we let them? no, nato persuaded the serbians to leave by force....when indonesia refused to leave east timor they were persuaded to move with force....when Iraq occupied Kuwait they were also removed by force.... but now here is israel who won't leave and won't negotiate...serious double standards at play...

how do negotiate with some who invades your home, you don't the police remove them...did the allies negotiate with the germans when they had their little lebensraum movement?...

same here...the name christmas is totally meaningless to us it could be called bacchanalia and it would work just as well...

the tree has nothing to do christianity, it's pagan...I'm not being defensive just reversing your logic...why is my lifestyle alternative? maybe your lifestyle is alternative...do you believe non christian families have different values than christians?

I've read population will peak at mid century, I have no idea who or how that was determined, maybe it was based on future education rates...the uncertainty is why we have climate projections and not predictions, unknown/unforeseen factors can come into play...

yes moon is back pretending to understand the science...here's the temp graph he claims I cherry picked the data didn't post back on page 2 "several decades of warming" http://globalwarming...-warming-trend/ not enough I'm cherry picking am I? here's the temps over the last 200yrs http://scitechstory....sy-is-ended…/ you have to wonder about people's thought processes when they still stand by their discredited sources when it obvious even to them they're wrong... the "open letter to the UN"-charlatans and frauds basic grade school science, graphing and logic and some people just don't get it...

my thought as well when i saw it, what if some nutter had a gun ....

and for some it's still only an opinion that the world is round... tim is still pondering that as well...

if we don't control emissions then we lose the battle, I don't believe it can't be done the political needs to be there, or priorities need to change and we need to hold governments accountable as it is now we have an anti-science government that puts short term profit ahead of long term survival... everything that I know about the environment and history tells me we cannot adapt... when I hear people say that it tells me we've given up, we've lost... we don't need sterilization, education reduces birth rates very effectively, western populations grow only because of immigration...nuclear isn't needed, money is better spent on green technology and energy conservation...and the cost be damned the cost of not doing it will be much much greater...

you "never read the Abbas speech did you..."dripping with poison".let's look at some of those poisonous comments not that you'll read it oh so evil! those nasty palestinians speaking of respect peace and a two state solution...

so anything less than a 95% extinction is okay? how about 50% is that okay? how do you think we'll do in that environment?the last ice age was significant to our ancestors, numbers were very low and isolated...70,000yrs ago another geological event nearly wiped out humanity with a rapid short drop in temp...so you think doing nothing to prevent cc is acceptable because a a few thousand humans would probably survive?

a-we have to control emissions, that's an absolute...green energy and energy reduction....there are no other optionsb-not happening just isn't an option, it has to happen or there will be a global catastrophe...

agreed, I don't know the ideal number but I've read estimates that put the optimal number at 1 billion...you overestimate our ability to survive, the planet has a very delicate temperature balance for us to survive in and we survive only as long as other species do, we are not independent of the environment...

not changing isn't an option...it's your "can't" attitude that is the problem...

you'll need to think about as a domino effect, but not a single line of domino's but an expanding pattern, knock one down which takes down two, then four....the smallest changes have repercussions that you wouldn't think possible...eliminate bees and 30% of our food supply is in jeopardy, bee populations are falling nearly everywhere,..a slight rise in ocean temp and the coral reefs die, a huge source of protein...a slight rise in temp and our northern forests are under stress by insect attack...a slight rise in temp and southern forests can die, they can't pick up and migrate...a slight rise in temps and crops fail due to heat stress or drought, move the farms north you say? there is no topsoil in the north...a slight rise in temp and deserts expand....a 2 degree rise is bad, 3-4 degrees is very very bad there will be a mass extinction, the last ice age was only 5 degrees colder than today a few degrees is critical for a healthy ecosystem...one of the problems here is people who are now starting to accept that man can change the atmosphere and cause CC still have no idea what those changes can do...

i would think I wouldn't panic but without being there it's hard to say....we can all be startled by someone coming up from behind but we know that can happen, does that change in an elevator where we know absolutely we are alone and that it can't happen?

ya really, i have no desire to chat...

alternative parenting? I thought you were the alternative, my way is the norm...there is no jezus, there is no god, there is and always will be a winter solstice and I celebrate it's arrival just as my ancestors did...

first, the letter's conclusions based on the interpretation of data that are either deliberately deceiving or amateurish, any conclusion they may come up with should be regarded in the same...adaptation is a fantasy, the environment will not adapt it will collapse and societies along with it...the environment can only tolerate a limited change, even a minimal increase of two degrees puts enormous stress on it... ruination? wow that's really important when death is the other option....following your rigid attitude to adaptation it's you who are condemning many more millions maybe billions to to death....do you think we can build portable air con units and strap them to the polar bears, give each fish in the ocean it's own private aquarium, the environment cannot adapt to rapid change, we cannot adapt without the environment that sustains us...are you being deliberately obtuse in not seeing the entire picture? do I think we can affect the climate? yes we changed it to what it is we can change back too...not reducing emissions is not a option, adaptation will fail because it's impossible...

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what the petition brings home was that it was fraudulent/misleading/inaccurate worthless, it's already been tossed in the trash bin....anyone can send a letter to the UN that doesn't make it relevant or respectable...

nope that's bs...you comparing country to country, do the same comparison on a per capita basis, china has four times the population of the USA and india 3 times,...on a per capita basis the USA leads the lead china by a large margin and India isn't even close....

I was thinking the same thing about predators, in the wing in which axle oscar were kept all the prisoners appeared to have been executed , was this a segregation wing for sexual predators and when the prison system broke down they were eliminated by the guards?...I expected that rick would at some time go to the prison office and look up the offenses their new members were locked up for... yup, I ask my daughters about this when they label older men as "creepers" unless they're rich, movie stars, rock stars or athletes then they suddenly become cool and desirable...agree merle has got to die but when, there's no doubt he adds a lot of tension to the situation...

you can call it christmas but it's not ...I'm celebrating the solstice, mid winter, spring is coming...that and not working spending time with my kids...