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FAIR? Are you under teh impression that we OWE anything to these third world immigrants? There is no fair: we give give give... they receive receive receive... fair would be you come to our country: speak our language, respect our institutions, and ASSIMILATE... but third worlders come: spit on our culture, vilify our great and noble ancestors, scoff at out morals and values, disrepect our women and demand to implant THEIR failed ways IN OUR COUNTRY... some of them even talk darkly amongst themsleves of eradicating Euro "White" Canadians! If we were fair and sane: our ports would be filled with vermin, desperately fleeing from an aroused and angry nation...

What do you mean unable to move beyond human nature? Human nature is what it is! Obama and his wife are still tribal and very much beleive that skin color is a measure of moral and intellectual and physical capacity. Again the foremost arbitor of "change" is really the "back to basics guy" ... Humans will be humans... it is foolish to assume that human tribal loyalty (just as loyalty and preference of ones own children) can be made to go away... its as foolish as deciding that humans can move beyond their current physical form... and can sprout wings and begin to fly... it is a pleasant idea... I agree... but entirely impossible. No human has ever sprouted wings... just as no country has ever managed to be egalitarian and "untribal" sorry.

The reality of third world unskileld immigration: The fact is the haitian or guatemalan that you pay 8.50 an hour an hour to swing a pick and shovel for you, involves more then mere lowering of labor costs (which in itslef is detremental to the average canadian). -The person has never paid substancial enough taxes to afford himself our medical care. If he gets hurt, he’s on the taxpayers’ dollar. -His family also doesn’t have medical insurance or the tax paying clout to "earn" medical care. They are on the taxpayers’ dollar. -If he stabs a guy in a brawl (as is likely with these groups), he goes to jail, needs a courtroom-appointed interpreter. There is a huge expense. -Third world immigration also invites racism, which means endless committees, human "rights" organizations, panles, hate watch groups, special police training, affrimative action, sensitivity training, more government regimentation and other attacks on liberty and again: HIGHER COSTS. -Bilingual education; his children don’t speak English- and will have to be instructed to speak a smattering of English (or French) and of course: we get to pick up the bill for this (and also this also weakens our literacy rates and weakens our school curriculums which in turn makes us a less productive less capable society in the long run and also artificially dumbs down the curriculum). - The children of this immigrant will doubtless never be much more learned then their parents (usually children perform about as well as their parents) and if the parents are unskilled, criminals (as many third world immigrants are) the chances are that the children too will grow up to be criminals and unskilled. So in conclusion the idea that you have made a great contribution to Canada by hiring a guy for 8.50$ an hour is just a tiny, tiny part of the expense that you will have to mop up for DECADES to come. It may seem like a great idea for the Company CEO who can reduce his labor costs and to the immigrant who can increase by leaps and bounds his life quality by migrating to canada... but its a disaster for our economy and tax payers nation wide. By importing poor and crime prone people, you import criminality, poverty and the costs to sustain them.. and we haven't even delved into the huge havoc and ruin of our social fabric... sharia law demands, special religious rights and the like ..

wth!?? Indonesia is not at all linguistically diverse... they do not have 300 languages there... in fact Indonesian "was first declared the official language with the declaration of Indonesian independence in 1945, following the 1928 unifying-language declaration in the Indonesian Youth Pledge. Almost 100% of Indonesia's 240 million inhabitants speak the language and it is one of the most widely spoken languages in the world.[1] So the precise opposite of what you say is the reality... Every line that you wrote is a shrieking falsity. How can linguistic unity be achieved though DISUNITED languages? Diversity is the foremost enemy of unity and cohesiveness... 1/ (Sneddon, James Neil (2004), The Indonesian Language: Its History and Role in Modern Society, UNSW Press)

No the destruction of European derived people, cultures, languages and mores is well under way... Anglophones today speak a weaker and less sophisticated form of English then previous generations... that's a fact. Also sense of kinship and community is pretty much lost in anglo canada (as it is nearly everywhere in the West)... leafless is quite correct in his statement.

And rightly so! Indonesians aren't quite as stupid as liberal westerners, who foolishly flout the immutable laws of human affairs and insanely deny the ironclad fact: DIVERSITY IS WEAKNESS. It is only majority white nations who think in this peculiar manner... it is only the west that is afflicted with this liberal disease... and childishly idealistic outlook on life. Indonesians understand that the East Timorese are not indonesians, and do not want "diversity" in Indonesia...

I would never attempt to say that diversity (in this case religious and cultural diversity) is a source of cohesion and strength... Europeans (like all other peoples) also fought over issues of "diversity" ... diversity is a source of weakness as I noted. But generally speaking, Europeans when forced to live together, will be able to be reasonably productive. Russian is slavic, but has many borrowing with Polish, Latin, Dutch, German, French, and English language "systems". And culturally... well European culture exists everywhere in Russia... Opera houses, similar history, concepts of politeness are quite similar, Orthodox Christianity... all have clear links and obvious relatedness to Greater Europe.

why is it foolish to believe in Darwinian natural selection and the fact of human inequality? And again were all the people of excellence, achievement and distinction I mentioned (and there are more) also idiots? why can't you address a question directly? Why always sidewind?

see... you can't justify or validate your "belief" that he'S being "honest"... you just move on... (because you don't really care if he's racist... because he's black... and has protective coloring)

Of course reality is that diversity is a source of tension and DISUNITY within people... Far from what you describe, UNITY is impossible with too much diversity. And Indonesia is a Islamic autocratic hellhole that has been responsible for countless atrocities and even GENOCIDE over issues of diversity... (religious and cultural). Indonesia is living proof that diversity is a weakness, not any sort of strength..

No you refuse to answer or provide any qualifications... I've asked you to provide us with concrete evidence of Obama's Egalitarianism, the "he said so, so I'll just generously take his word for it" answer is simply a capitulation and an admission that you are quite biased over the mulatto messiah. It's also an admission of your clear use of double standards... oddly enough double standards that leave little doubt that you would support certain politicians based on race... which highlight the inherent racism of in your hypocritical stance. You forgive (or ignore) Michelle's racism because she was in a majority white school (oh the horror!) ... Again none of what you say would be acceptable to you if you were to put the shoe in the other foot and inverse the races... The examples I provided clearly put the lie on that..

again why do you trust his speechwriters words? UPON WHAT EVIDENCE!? I've asked you this 3 times... His ACTS again (membership of a balck racist church for +20 years, political associations, wife, friends, and own previous quotes clearly put the lie on his 1 minute speech)... Why do you believe a carefully orchestrated teleprompter session over a 20 years of one sided racist ACTS!? Also how is he honest on the issue of race? That blacks are superior then whites? That whites are albino devils? That The black race is god? please elaborate on this.. and "restaure" america's image? How? from what? obama is bush 2 ... more amnesty for illegals, more troops for Iraq and Afghanistan, more threats of nuclear war against Pakistan, threats to Korea ... more war etc... this guy is a carbon copy of the Bush doctrine! Is he trying to "restaure" America's image by doing everything the world hates america for times 2?! your head's in the sand my friend... wake the hell up...

No, it confirms that in your perfect world... whites are extinct... then we will have progress "comrade"! Its a shame that your PC religion of egalitarianism and truth have never met...

No they weren't. The "bigots" were correct in anticipating the disturbance... the country DID CHANGE as a result of this new type of immigration. However the people of Europe were of essentially the same race. It also helped that they spoke very similar languages, and came from similar religious backgrounds, similar cultures... etc. and why do you call "racists" "idiots" ... can't one be a racist and be intelligent? James Watson is a genius.. and he believes in racial differences... The early developers of quantum mechanics were racists: Gustav Kirchhoff for instance. Darwin was a racist... so was Gandhi (he saw blacks as a savage and degraded race)... nearly everyone of quality and achievement in the history of the world has been a racist... so please explain how one is automatically an idiot if one is racist..

much better then your nightmare vision of a world where the minorities are treated like living gods and Canadians have to put up with the suicidal scenario of being ruled by "minority first" politics.. A world of Sharia law in the GTA, chinese communism in Richmond, Haitian voodoo in montreal north, and caste system in "Brown Town"... all of them competing with each other for political capital and trying their damnedest to be the biggest victim... all of them with a welfare, "assist me!" mentality...

oh I'm sorry i did'nt know that your point was that Europeans are more compatible with each other vis a vis other distant ethnicities and cultures. in that case we agree then: Italians and French and Germans are far closer to each other and far more likely to built true communities then a multiracial morass of every failed ethnic enclave from whatever cesspool in the world...

we all know who is the inflexible bigot here Canadien... you are... You hate and cannot tolerate anyone not 100% in ideological lockstep with the party line of crypto-communist egalitarianism..

Not quite, there was prejudice against the Italians and Portuguese, but after all these were fellow Europeans, with languages, customs and mannerisms so similar to our own... The gap between an Italian and a Frenchman is nothing when compared to the sundering abyss of a Bangladeshi say or a Medieval and squalid semitic desert people of Saudi Arabia or Palestine... They were quite right to be pessimistic about that immigration though as they did pose problems of integration initially. But these did in fact INTEGRATE and made efforts to do so. That cannot be said of the sneering and cackling Burka wearing, welfare hogging denizens of whatever Islamic pesthole in the world, who call us "ignorant" and "intolerant" because we don't have sharia law in Canada... These do NOT want assimilation, and in fact OPPOSE IT... They want US to convert to THEIR way of thinking and doing things... Correction: they want us to resort to THEIR FAILED ways, THEIR FAILED culture, their FAILED civilizationcraft...

? How much more ridiculous can you get? A country that is 100% black .... can still have institutions that are racist towards blacks?!?!! Huh?"! What the hell are you smoking on? There were black princes and Sovereigns and all manner of pompous titles given to blacks and mulattoes! Blacks were seen as brutish and dim witted by the french (in comparative standards to them) but remember the French (including the White men in Hispaniola- St- Domingue) were afflicted with Helvétius and Rousseauistic egalitarianism... most of the upper class believed in the "noble savage" nonsense and yes 40 years before the Revolution (despite being outnumbered 10 to 1 by blacks) the French began to loosen their grip on "the black man" and began equalizing themselves - the blacks finally revolted and killed ever white man woman and child. And the post revolutionary economic failure is still the fault of white men!!? Even if no white men remained on the Island? What is WRONG with you!? And no: the "economic structure" was left UNTOUCHED! The blacks left in Haiti knew from observation all of the secrets of the sugar cane plating methods and irrigation techniques- they had EVERYTHING at their disposal at the end of the revolution! All the tools and techniques were right there... That the blacks "forgot" how to use these tools effectively is their fault and theirs alone... if a black man trips and falls in the streets of new york: it isn't automatically "whitey's fault". Stop this ridiculous blame-shifting trickery! have some decency please... They had plows, shovels, brick factories, power plants, roads, agricultural know how, abundant water, horses and oxen, everything needed to make the economy work and flourish... but perhaps voodoo got in the way... Excuse me: the money of the planters was in the form of sugar packed Europe-bound boats... and castles in Saint Domingue... all of that was taken by the blacks... Its not like the planters took the sugar plantations and Castles and art back with them to france (they died in haiti!) god help you man... everything you say amounts to an attempt to defame and slander Europeans... and show them as inferiors to minority races... and you call me a racist!? you got a pair of brass balls I,ll give you that...

You offer no evidence to support your belief that Obama is not a racist... you simply gloss over and ignore the obvious fact of his 20 year membership in a black supremacist church who refers to all white people as "the ENEMY"! You gloss over the fact that he described his OWN MOTHER as a "typical WHITE person", you gloss over the obvious racism of his WIFE, you gloss over the fact that as a TUCC church attendee, he is indoctrinated with the ravings of black supremacist basketcase James Cone who equates blacks with Gods on earth (or vicars of god) quote: "The purpose of God is the black man, the black man IS god" quote 2: ""Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love. [1]" Note 1. See William R Jones, "Divine Racism: The Unacknowledged Threshold Issue for Black Theology", in African-American Religious Thought: An Anthology, ed Cornel West and Eddie Glaube (Westminster John Knox Press)." you simply generously overlook all of that and accept "his word for it"... I call that intellectual failure, and dishonesty incarnate. And Obama is CONTINUING THE BUSH DOCTRINE YOU NONCE! Where Bush unsed unilateralism to "fight terrorism" Obama doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING under the flag of "humanitarianism"... he dropped 70 000 more troops in Iraq 2 weeks after taking office, he broke 3 electoral promises before his first week at the job. He issued the most executive orders out of any president EVER (more then bush, the second highest). All it boils down to is this: you trust and worship him because he is black... that's the only reason... you trust him and admire him because he isn't white. A white president doing what he is doing right now wouldn't impress you at all (because there's nothing outstanding about him)... its the fact that his race is not white that charms you...

Okay lets outline the points again (for a third time). 1/ Membership in a black supremacist church that refers to white people as "The ENEMY" or "White Enemy" or "Devil".... that to you is not racism? You really would call that independence of thought? wow how levelheaded and reasonable of you! 2/ Reported verbiage from Michelle Obama’s tape “Once again, the white man keeps us down, what’s up with Whitey, Why’d he attack Iraq, Why’d he let Katrina happen, Why’d he leave millions of children behind. This is the legacy the white man gives us” 3/ Her thesis blames a race (the white race) for pretty much every misfortune in the world (how's that for egalitarianism? thinking that race has something to do with a person's character or capacities?) The excerpts show that Michelle LaVaugh (LOL) Obama identifies with black militancy, utterly obsessed with race in America and her own blackness. “There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost." She also is a stauch supporter of RACIAL SEGREGATION: that's right separation according to RACE!!! She describes herself as "separationist" “By actually working with the Black lower class or within their communities as a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better understand the desperation of their situation and feel more hopeless about a resolution as opposed to an integrationist who is ignorant to their plight." Here is another typical passage notable for its shabby writing, and further bend on race (again she is OBSESSED with race). For her thesis she asked 400 princeton students to respond to a "which race would you rather spend time with" questionnaire... “Attending Princeton has probably forced [black alumni] to compete intellectually with Whites more than with Blacks and, thus, they have probably become more familiar with Whites intellectually, but in other activities they are likely to have gained familiarity with Whites if they did not spend time with Whites in other activities besides intellectual ones. “ Apparently, most people recoiled from that racist twaddle of a questionnaire: only 89 responded out of 400 who were asked for input... The conclusion of her thesis is nothing shorter then alarming: SHE DEPLORES THAT BLACKS AT PRINCETON identify with their common American culture more than they value the color of their skin(!) The conclusion: Michelle Obama’s poll of black alumni helps her understand that other black students at Princeton do not share her obsession with blackness. She laments that only 1/3 say they are more comfortable around black people than white people. She is very distressed by this: and writes “I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of identification with whites as a result of the educational and occupational path that black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a certain level of identification with the black community. However, these findings do not support this possibility.” Yes she "HOPED" she hoped that black would be racially loyal instead of loyal to country and culture... she hoped that blacks would self segregate and associate ONLY with blacks... You still think that all of this (and there's much more) is not racism at all? Not even a little? puhleaze...

It would be fascinating to know how much was spent to maintain other diversity related policy demands... Managing affirmative action alone I hear costs 1.8 billion yearly... just managing it.. never mind the costs of lost productivity, court cases, lawyer fees etc...

ain,t diversity wounderful canadien? Look at how much of a strength LINGUISTIC diveristy alone is for Canada!!! ah yes the incalculable fruits of diversity... yum yum yum..

I don't claim to be an egalitarian: YOU DO... And it had more to do with a snout like appearance then skin tone but anyways...

yes yes... he SAID he was wrong... but really, there is no reason to BELIEVE HIM... why? First: he's politician Second: He was a supremely active member in a racist black supremacist church for all of 20+ years (about half of his life) Third: the woman he chose for marriage happens to be a hate filled black supremacist that sees white people as diseased and inferior albinos... Fourth: His favorite Ideologue is James Cone (that's like if McCain's favorite author was a KKK Dragon) Fifth: He's a lawyer (!) Sixth: he has NO CHOICE to say he's wrong... because that would cost too much in "political capital" Seventh: HE'S A POLITICIAN.... finally: He calls wright his father like mentor and best friend... and still refuses to disown him (and even if he did again: that would be nugatory: there no reason to believe he would do so for any other reason then to gain political capital... You believe him because he's black... (sorta black) and you're a dupe...