lictor616

my belief is not that "SKIN COLOR is a determinant factor in the value of human beings"... My position (one supported by the scientific community) is that there is no such thing under the sun as equality... And that race (or genetic inheritance) does have an impact on the character (physical and mental) of a population. Asians did not build civilizations equal to that of Africans...

According to who? The number of racially exclusive organizations have EXPONENTIALLY MULTIPLIED in the past 40 years... The black actors guild? The Black Caucus? The Negro College Fund? The NAACP? The Black scuba divers instructors league? The Korean mathematician association at berkley? BET? Race relations have gone so down hill now, that we actually live in a dual class system that's based on race... If your of a certain race, you're eligible to all manner of privileges and deference because of it? Affirmative action is an excellent example of this... it uses race to allocate jobs, opportunities, raises. Affirmative action is based on "racism" and is now official government policy in both CANADA AND THE US... how's that for "ending racism"? Is the solution to racism ... more racism? And what a joke! You think that an organization who's sole purpose is in their name: THE ADVANCEMENT OF COLORED PEOPLE... is not racist somehow because it can hire "other races" to advance the black race ... even as you know that is ALWAYS at the expense of another race! Mixed neighbourhoods? Just recently Maguinty deplored the segregatedness of the GTA ... how there is a Jamaican ghetto, a "Brown town" for Indians and Pakistanis, a China town etc... Different Races for all practical purposes DO NOT LIVE TOGETHER, minority neighbourhoods and white flight are glaring and incontrovertible proof of this... Did you know that the GTA has 24 committees and black community groups wanted to officially segregate and submit their municipalities to different municipal rules to "non black ones"... how many petitions have been signed for these groups to get their own ALL BLACK SEGREGATED SCHOOLS? Are you this ignorant of the real world around you?

that's not the DEFINITIVE definition of racism... as I have noted before and often here... THERE IS NO SET DEFINITIVE DEFINITION OF RACISM... Racism is a subjective concept to begin with... Some people actually think racism can only happen to numerical racial minorities in a country... there are hundreds of subjective and contradictory definition of racism itself...

what a deceitful reply. ? And why does preference for one's race AUTOMATICALLY MEANS you hate others? Does appreciation for your own race automatically means your detest others? Really surely you thought of that before... And freedom of association doesn't Mean FORCED INTEGRATION... People usually SELF SEGREGATE regardless ... people should be free to do associate with who they want... If people want to self segregate, it doesn't mean they'll be subjugating other people. why is it okay to have a "black community" or a "black college" but not a white one?

INcidentally your wikipedia article doesn't say that the Solutrean "hypothesis" is controversial for its racial undertones but for its TOOL MAKING ones. They are not sure that the "clovis making" displays an automatic relatedness to the type found in southern France (but it does to the kind found in northern Spain). There is however NO DOUBT whatsoever about the racial makeup of the people who populated america first... research the paracas mummy, the (Peñon Woman) http://www.vimeo.com/473625, Skull of the Minnesota Woman... there are numerous archeological evidence of European (or caucasoid) presence thousands of years before the even the existence of Western Civilization... Of course, many Natives and Mexicans will oppose this for quite rational reasons... ie: they are racists and detest white people and don't want to legitimize their presence on this continent (after all they want us out)... but it doesn't change the fact that Europeans WERE THERE...

no valid argument for embracing racism? Is there any valid argument for embracing your family? Dyou ever wonder why parents prefer THEIR own children to others? Its precisely the same phenomenon. We prefer our children for no rational reason other then THEY ARE OURS. Parents LOVE their children EVEN if they are not objectionnably superior to others... Is there a valid argument for preferring your own children to that of others? Wouldn't it be preferable if we could love ALL CHILDREN EQUALLY? Imagine... no more orphans, no more abused children... wouldn't that be super? Race is an extended FAMILY... a immediate biologically related unit. It's immediately recognizable. You talk about "marginalizing the effects of racism" which in essence means you will willfully ignore what is right in front of you ... it amounts to pretending that racism isn't real in its effects and it means you're willing to dice your future on such a whim. Why do you think this is a wise approach to race awareness? Why do you think its desirable to "overcome" what is natural and right? Where do you even base your optimism that such an unnatural state of affairs is possible? Racism is stronger then ever today. I would suggest to you that the only way to end "racism" is to end diversity... Japan is racially homogeneous for instance and has no "commission for racial equality" no "affirmative action" no costly "diversity is our strength" propaganda machine, no law suits over discrimination... nothing of the sort! Racism is only possible when people of different races "for some reason or other" are trying to live in the same country... And this is what leads to wars , genocides and all sort of bloodshed and log rolling hardships... I don't understand why anti-racists are so keen on ending racism by multiplying the root causes of it...

your "truth" is that the ancient solutreans never existed and that Europeans are doused in urine and festooned with excrement, are stupid and have no claim on canada? is this your view of reality?

wow, thanks for exposing your ignorance and inanity for everyone to see. Anything that doesn't fit your mold of native racial supremacy is a "right wing conspiracy"... why even argue with you..

Obama's electoral campaign was geared on a QUICK withdrawal in Iraq, the stupid and gullible dopes who voted for him elected him on that understanding .... "ending the war in iraq and afghanistan" was what gave Obama a decisive edge over McCain (that and the fact that he's black) http://www.presidentobamaquotes.com/2009/0...ama-quotes.html And so yes the americans elected barack on an assumption (a mistaken one at that) that he would end the war in Iraq and withdraw from Afghanistan), of course anyone who read his party platform could have told you otherwise MONTHS AGO... but alas... the american electorate just took the media's word for it... as they do with everything else.... they are born dupes after all... they vigilant enough to really KNOW what is going on... http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/story/1006662.html

pretty hateful stuff here... can you hear the napoleon complex screaming out of this malarkey? "smelly resource exploiting bum"... are you talking about the natives who siphon how many billions of "european, rapist murderer thief sub human" money year to get high on gas and squander our resources? And read up on the Ancient Solutreans... European people were in north america BEFORE the so called natives were... oh but of course we're too humble to rub that in your faces and act as if that meant anything... Canada is ours by right of conquest. So long as Europeans have the will and capacity to defend it as such... this is OUR LAND- where btw... for some reason or other, we permit you to live on largely at OUR EXPENSE and thanks to OUR hard work... but of course the day a native cite anything GOOD about Europeans will the day that pigs fly... Natives have such a deep and inveterate hatred of white people after all (and in our crazed times: its THEY who complain about racism!) lol what a world!

Uncivilized? A society or individual that recognizes the obvious differences between the extant races and clines of man ... is UNCIVILIZED? That's simply hogwash... I don't get it... why do you want the fascinating diversity of human evolution and differentiation of humanity reduced to a uniform "bland equality"? What is with this obsession that "anti-racists" have with wanting humans to be as indistinguishable as the bees in a swarm? Why is this a desirable state of affairs? I really don't see the appeal...

one has but to read the "overcome racism" part to understand that you fail to grasp the reality of the situation. Races are real and cannot be made "unreal". Race is a biological fact. It is a necessary corollary to evolution. Should "evolution" also be "overcome". There are so many problems with your proposition... First of all, there is no definitive precise definition of RACISM itself... or actually there are HUNDREDS of definition. The term "Racism" itself is subjective. So we don't even know what we're trying to "overcome" to begin with. Secondly we would have to scrap everything that we have learned from biology to "overcome" "racism". Maybe we could begin a new religion or belief system based upon rejecting the obvious fact of race... actually we sorta have such a religion its called Political Correctness or "liberalism". Which are both creeds that are based upon the "equality of man" and similar delusions of the mind. But don't take it from me... i'll let you read from what a learned evolutionnary scientist has to say on the matter. Ernst Mayr on Race: (http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/001951.html) Ernst Mayr, "perhaps the greatest evolutionary scientist of the twentieth century", might be called the Linnaeus of the Modern Synthesis {neo-Darwinism}, his Systematics and the Origin of Species set forth the biological species concept still in use today, with large utility for explaining speciation. {Winter 2002. Vol. 131, pg. 89}, he addresses the "race does not exist" camp: The Biology of Race and the Concept of Equality. Ernst Mayr There are words in our language that seem to lead inevitably to controversy. This is surely true for the words "equality" and "race." And yet among well informed people, there is little disagreement as to what these words should mean, in part because various advances in biological science have produced a better understanding of the human condition. Let me begin with race. There is a widespread feeling that the word "race" indicates something undesirable and that it should be left out of all discussions. This leads to such statements as "there are no human races." Those who subscribe to this opinion are obviously ignorant of modern biology. Races are not something specifically human; races occur in a large percentage of species of animals. You can read in every textbook on evolution that geographic races of animals, when isolated from other races of their species, may in due time become new species. The terms 11 subspecies" and "geographic race" are used interchangeably in this taxonomic literature. This at once raises a question: are there races in the human species? After all, the characteristics of most animal races are strictly genetic, while human races have been marked by nongenetic, cultural attributes that have very much affected their overt characteristics. Performance in human activities is influenced not only by the genotype but also by culturally acquired attitudes. What would be ideal, therefore, would be to partition the phenotype of every human individual into genetic and cultural components. Alas, so far we have not yet found any reliable technique to do this. What we can do is acknowledge that any recorded differences between human races are probably composed of cultural as well as genetic elements. Indeed, the cause of many important group differences may turn out to be entirely cultural, without any genetic component at all. Still, if I introduce you to an Eskimo and a Kalahari Bushman I won't have much trouble convincing you that they belong to different races. In a recent textbook of taxonomy, I defined a "geographic race" or subspecies as "an aggregate of phenotypically similar populations of a species inhabiting a geographic subdivision of the range of that species and differing taxonomically from other populations of that species." A subspecies is a geographic race that is sufficiently different taxonomically to be worthy of a separate name. What is characteristic of a geographic race is, first, that it is restricted to a geographic subdivision of the range of a species, and second, that in spite of certain diagnostic differences, it is part of a larger species. No matter what the cause of the racial difference might be, the fact that species of organisms may have geographic races has been demonstrated so frequently that it can no longer be denied. And the geographic races of the human races established before the voyages of European discovery and subsequent rise of a global economy - agree in most characteristics with the geographic races of animals. Recognizing races is only recognizing a biological fact. ---

can somebody do something about the ad hominems here... charter can' t you keep to a civil debate... you lost, now be humble and stop attacking the posters...

I agree with this... unfortunately the "diversity mongers" will tell you that this position is racist! ...

The roots of racism are biological Racism is tied in with face recognition and innate behavioral patterns of the brain. Studies on individuals have found unconscious processes deep in the brain that reflect an instinctive suspicion of people unlike ourselves. Studies of groups show that these instincts invariably lead to conflict at the societal level. (slightly paraphrased from http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov) There is a theoretical framework that explains ethnocentrism. As the Belgian authority on ethnic relations Pierre L. van den Berghe put it more than 25 years ago, “The degree of cooperation between organisms can be expected to be a direct function of the proportion of the genes they share; conversely, the degree of conflict between them is an inverse function of the proportion of shared genes.” (Emphasis in the original.) Prof. van den Bergh used the word “organisms” because he found this principle true in animals as well as people; there is cooperation between relatives and conflict between strangers. When there is great genetic distance between strangers—in the case of humans, when they are of different races—conflicts are sharper. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlere...i?artid=2575407 for instance this dispatch from David J. Kelly, Department of Psychology, University of Sheffield shows an innate cross race disdain- that children instinctively trust and prefer children of a similar race. This is one of probably one hundred cross race studies that have been made. Three-and-a-half-month-old infants already seem to exhibit the other-race effect. In a study at University of Kentucky, white babies were very good at telling apart faces with 100 percent Caucasian features from faces that had been graphically morphed to include features that were 70 percent white and 30 percent Asian. They couldn’t distinguish the reverse: They could not tell 100 percent Asian faces from those that were morphed to include 30 percent white features. In other words, they could detect small differences between white and not-quite-white faces, but not the same kinds of differences between Asian and not-quite-Asian faces. Lawrence A. Hirschfeld of the University of Michigan did some of the pioneering work on how early in life children begin to understand race. He showed children of ages three, four, and seven, a picture of “Johnny:” a chubby black boy in a police uniform, complete with whistle and toy gun. He then showed them pictures of adults who shared two of Johnny’s three main traits of race, body build, and uniform. Prof. Hirschfeld prepared all combinations—policemen who were fat but were white, thin black policemen, etc.—and asked the children which was Johnny’s daddy or which was Johnny all grown up. Even the three-year-olds were significantly more likely to choose the black man rather than the fat man or the policeman. “They know, in other words, that weight and occupation can change but race can’t,” explained Prof. Hirschfeld. In 1996, after 15 years of studying children and race, he concluded: “Our minds seem to be organized in a way that makes thinking racially—thinking that the human world can be segmented into discrete racial populations—an almost automatic part of our mental repertoire.” Robert Putnam of Harvard University, which examined 41 different communities in the United States and concluded that communities with greater diversity were less likely to carpool. “Carpooling is based on trust — you have to trust that your fellow is going to be there,” Taylor said. “People in these communities were less likely to participate in community events.” A preference for one’s own kind runs very deep in human nature, and can assert itself in strong and even heart-breaking ways. Lowri Turner is a British woman whose second marriage was to a man from India. “I am white and I have two sons from my first marriage who are both milky complexioned and golden haired,” she wrote. She then explained how unprepared she was for the feelings she had when she had a mixed-race child with her new husband: “[W]hen I turn to the mirror in my bedroom to admire us together, I am shocked. She seems so alien. With her long, dark eyelashes and shiny, dark brown hair, she doesn’t look anything like me. … “I didn’t realise how much her looking different would matter and, on a rational level, I know it shouldn’t. But it does. “Evolution demands that we have children to pass on our genes, hence the sense of pride and validation we get when we see our features reappearing in the next generation. “With my daughter, I don’t have that. … “I didn’t think of myself as racist and yet my daughter has shown me a side of myself about which I feel deeply uncomfortable. Of course the CRRF is not interested in the facts of biology, and will never be so stupid as to publish accurate science on the subject of race. Our country is lockstep with its current religion of equality and multiculturalism, they are not interested in the truth but in recruiting bigger flocks. The REAL findings on racism are a devastating indictment of some of the most important choices our country has made over the last 50 years. To put it briefly, Canada has made a huge mistake to think that race can be made not to matter... its not working and it WILL NOT WORK... it isn't within human nature to work... 50 years, billions of dollars in sensitivity training, countless propaganda movies and where are we today? We have affirmative action: which at best is racism to counter racism (which increases racism). We have countless racially exclusive committees and organizations: e.g. "the Black Ligue of Quebec". Racism has increased despite all of our efforts... But leftists will never concede this... and so until we wrest power away from them, we will be forced to live under a log rolling system such as we have today.

hahahah the turret of our times! we have to recognize them as a separate race to give them preferrential treatment, but then if WE talk about them as such (as a distinct race).. we get hit laced with accusations of "nazism" and "racial hatred"... they want their cake and the money to buy it too... this would be funny if it weren't so freaking insane!

Jeez the last thing we need is pikers squatting around... Is Canada an infinite trash can of all the world's anthropoid pests? We're way beyond our immigration being a joke, its beginning to be a threat to our safety, our way of life and very existence as a people... Unrestricted garbage dump style immigration simply doesn't work... This needs to stop...

garbage video.... what does this have to do with anything?

as for the 4 1/2 years... VanEvery is up for a release any day now after having served 17 months... and I was referring to another gun wielding maniac. (incidentalaly VanEvery should have received a sentence exceeding 12 years for such a crime, added to the fact that he spent 13 years in prison prior to this "mishap", so the Crown's leniency here truly is inexplicable) Malcom X was a reprobate, he wailed on against homosexuality while he himself was a homosexual. He was also a bloodthirsty inciter of riots and violence and hatred. BUt even he was able to see that white racism wasn't the worst racism in the world... he changed his views around when he made a trip to mecca and saw black eunuch slaves there... I checked out Gary McHale's website, and it makes NO MENTION of white supremacy... in fact there isn't a word said about the racial superiority of ANY RACE... race isn't a factor in his website... Except of course to explain the sickening double standards in the OPP's conduct towards the two camps... He cites his facts, and has a very level headed approach to the mess there. The thousands of criminal charges not filed by the OPP, the utter refusal to apply the law to natives because of their privileged status. Why is he a neo nazi for addressing the very real disposition and second class status of "non-native" caledonians? Be reasonable for god's sake. ? and you say I deserve to live in mysery? For what ? For saying that euro canadians are second class citizens? for talking about the racist laws that favor minorities and natives ABOVE ordinary canadians? Do i really deserve "misery" and presumably "suffering" for talking about these things? Again, here you are exposing your obvious hatred of people unlike yourself. Look at how intolerant and hateful you become! You really are emotionally involved in this, and your bias again, is so evident, you still refuse to denounce natives CAUGHT ON VIDEO saying that "we must ground the white man's children's faces into the mud and hurt him worst then he hurt us" to enthusiatic applause... Yet you are perfectly capable of calling all white Caledonians NEO NAZIS (of all things!) on nonsense hearsay evidence on some blog somewhere... there's no point in continuing ... you're not at all interested in the truth anyways...

i'm sure charter rights and tango will figure out how the natives were only beating up a vile "white supremacist"... mark my words... they will excuse or ignore this bit..

I LINKED A NATIVE SUPREMACIST WEBSITE!!!!!! god! oh! I see... so the video of that native "community leader" calling to kill white people... that was Robert Lousey and presumably a conspiracy by "white supremacists" ... yes they hired actors, plied them with money (or drugs being native and all) and payed them to act like racist hate filled bigots... so that then they could elect Adolf Hitler and change the name canada to Nazi land.... like I said... you know what you're up to... and we do to... stop insulting our intelligence with your dubious anti-racist front... stop the fakery ... you're not fooling non of us "neonazi, white supremacist old , hetero cracker males"...

I stopped reading there... no point in continuing really... more ad hominem attacks... more garbage... They don't hate us... but 87% of them want us dead or off their land... Their not organized ... but (you haven't commented on this for the third time) there are videos of them in their compounds with "leaders" saying they want to kill white children and make them suffer TO UNIVERSAL APPLAUSE, they have book publishing firms, grades, ranks members, websites, a little propaganda machine.... they really ARE organized They are armed and very organized as caledonia and the Oka debacle proved clearly proves. As for me not being intelligent... my intelligence or lack thereof has nothing to do with native supremacy and racism. And expressing my views in a forum with people who hold dissenting opinions I think is a most constructive way of "channeling" my "anger". I know you would rather silence people who aren't 100% in agreement and lockstep with you... as your pathetic hand wringing and snitching suggests - and threats to having me reported... those are the tactics of the person who knows he's wrong.... but you are what you are: a deceitful hypocrite... i'm not saying this as an ad hominem attack ... i'm saying this because you claim to be against racism... while opposing ONLY white racism and INSANELY rejecting any notion that other races can be racist too.. which makes YOU a racist in your own right. You dodge native racism and avoid it or justify it... and look ONLY at the supposed "white supremacist" of the militia with absolutely zero sound evidence at your disposal... while I have offered 9 or 10 videos clearly depicting the organized, hateful natives calling for a white genocide... and you refuse to comment on it! That's deceitful isn't it? The native supremacist videos have EVERYTHING to do with race, they call the blackfoot, the Cherokee and other american natives THEIR BROTHERS... they even made a native rap vid about how natives need to unite "to use the white man's guns against the white man" ... but of course... why even continue... your next post will be nothing but rejection out of hand and ad hominem attacks and the usual hissing about racism and white supremacism...

god don't you just love obambo and his "withdrawal" ... the american sheeple ... fleeced again... for the umpteenth time... who wasn't expecting this?

okay, white supremacists have no place in canadian society... nice for you to decide... is white supremism even a crime? is racism a crime? tell me why then they shouldn't be allowed to live or stay here? secondly (and more to the point) WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE NATIVE SUPREMACISTS... ie a healthy majority of natives (if we check out the recent native poll taken in ontario: how 87% believe canada is THEIR country and theirs alone, and they should kick out ALL non natives) ? What about these people? why do you take their defense? Why do you refuse to acknowledge their faults? well, of course we all KNOW why you do this tango... whoops i mean charter rights... its because you yourself are a racist... who mutters with the hatred of white people. You use your labels to dehumanize people... because you know that "neo nazi" and "white supremacist" is some sort of moral flaw or disease of the mind (as i noted earlier, that you seem to equate with pedophilia or murder) these labels dehumanize the people you hate: white people who aren't ashamed of their ethnicity. Your bias is present on every line you write... its painfully obvious... all I,m wondering is why you're holding out? Just come out of the closet and say it.... you hate white people... simple.. liberate yourself.... you know and we know ... and we know that you know that we know... that you do... you're a racist. you're the very thing you claim to fight... so now go back to marxist cave and comeback when you're able to stop your scurvy hypocrisy and deceitfulness.

its like talking to a wall!..... yes but the natives themselves, are blatantly supremacists... they have nothing positive to say about Euro Canadians... they truly DO HATE US... I mean the video I posted earlier of that community leader saying "we have to crush the white man's children's faces in the mud and make them suffer worst then we suffered" to enthusiastic applause ... sorta puts the lie on the notion that these native are the happy peaceable carefree peace pipe hitting fellas you make them out to be... And the hole "KKKanada" on their posters and placards... i mean really are we talking to level headed natives here... or deranged isolated hate filled bigots? If you think "supremism" and racism are "a Canadian issue that should should concern all Canadians" then stop being a hypocrite and address ALL THE supremacists... not just the white ones... and really your pathetic claim that white people wanting to defend their community and rights from racist "canada is all ours... get off our land white man" natives are all "neo nazi white supremacists" really just shows you for what you are: a brazen shameless hypocrite and moral reprobate. either address all races, or shut up about racism...