lictor616

again calling me "beyond the pale" and "marginalized" is exactly the alienation I was describing. You feel alienated and estranged with me, you self segregate, hence your refusal to debate me or give me consideration. How is this not a validation of my statment that diversity (whether racial, religious, political or cultural) is a source of alienation and distance... You yourself are a perfect example of just what I was talking about. thank you again Dancer. mocking me is simply a byproduct of your natural reaction to people who have a diverse set of opinions then you... it works the same for me... I treat you the same way to INCREASE the distance between you and I and let you know that I am estranged by you... all of this is perfectly predictable of what happens when diversity happens...

why can't you debate... are you alienated by my opinions... do you feel estranged by my political leanings... my ideological diversity? riiiight thank you for validating my point then... go on...

its amazing how your posts have words in them that don't convey any meaning... but either way you refuse to enter into debate... strange isn't it? I love that though... the "i could mop the floor with you in an argument but- I won't because i'm too important" argument... a ptiful capitulation Dancer.. Now tell how is our ideological diversity a source of community and commonality and relatedness between you and I (because as you say diversity has NO LINK with alienation) ... so please explain (lol if you dare)

you're laughable at best my friend... a total clown... I'm living refutation of you non-argument: we have diverging opinions on certain matters: and look at how completely estranged you are by me and I of you... We have diversity of political opinions and look at the chasm of distance that creates... add to that mix racial, religious and cultural gaps and you have a pretty big problem in terms of solidarity and group commonality and cohesiveness. I'd as soon see me having a BBQ with communists then with you... and (I assume) you feel about the same... our ideological diversity is a source of distance between us (and rightly so). keep posturing in a vacuum of your own making though...

If a white person in a majority black college (it happens) would have used the term "darkie" when reacting to a predominantly BLACK society at that college, I'd wager it'd be more of the same double standards for you... Michelle says whitey and speaks with the hatred of white people... and its A-OK to you... its justified racism... furthermore her and her diseased husband are STILL members of a noted racist black supremacist Church, and even refuse to disavow their allegiances with some notorious bloodthirsty inciter of riots and known accessories to the Zebra murders... and you disgustingly gloss over that... and you attack MOI instead of them... insanity

Social alienation, is a phenomenon where the individual is estranged from his community, society, or world. What causes it? Primarily it stems from a feeling of UNRELATEDNESS... of incompatibility of lack of community of interests or characteristics.. The very NATURE of diversity is rooted in this dissimilarity and lack of relationship and point of commonality... THAT'S DIVERSITY: diversity is dissimilarity and difference. So actually by elementary definition Diversity of the kind which canadians are forced to celebrate (almost at gun point) is this very sort of phenomenon. It is not only easily demonstrable but IMPLICIT in the dogma of diversity... how can say: a French Canadian catholic raised child from a working class family have any profound sense of relatedness and commonality with a Sikh student in ceremonial garb... the French Canadian will feel estrangement... he will not understand the Sikh and naturally will be ALIENATED in such an environment. The phenomenon furthermore is demonstrated by the white flight phenomenon as well as the ghettoization of ethnic community... if you look at any ethnic area you'll notice that people self segregate: hence "Brown Town" in Toronto, Montreal "NOIRE" in the north of montreal etc... far from having no validity, its actually universal the world OVER.

facepalm... Not for Obama? are you high? He IS A MEMBER OF A RACIST CHURCH... are you denying what he even admits himself? Are you this deluded? Michelle has a carbon copy background to the Messiah Obambo... Michelle was a marxist leaning anti white bigot in Princeton, some of her leaked essays are riddled with talk about an "ascertainable deficiency in whites" and similar CLEARLY racist epithets. Michelle writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her "further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant." you can read her hate filled essay for yourself (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html) Most alarming is her use of the terms “separationist"and “integrationist" when describing the views of black people. She clearly identifies herself with a “separationist�? view of race. this is a clip of Michelle using the word "whitey" and spewing other anti-white rhetoric:

again: mere rejection out of hand.. the rise of suicide rates among the young also corroborate the alienation felt by our children. of course that's why classroom diversity has lead to huge school efforts to "bridge gaps" and try to foster a better sense of community with interfaith, intercultural and interracial "dialogue"... (Smith, D. G. The Challenge of Diversity: Involvement or Alienation in the Academy? Report No. 5. Washington, D. C.: School of Education and Human Development, The George Washington University, 1989. ) Alienation is the primary side effect of diversity. People who live in a homogeneous society, where the people they work with and interact with every day are similar to them - that is, look similar, have similar values and attitudes, react in similar ways to events -- people in a homogeneous society tend to bond with the people around them. They tend to feel a sense of community. They tend to feel a sense of security from having people like them around them. They seek the approval of the people with whom they have bonded. They feel a sense of responsibility and protectiveness toward these people. Take away the homogeneity, and you greatly reduce the likelihood of bonding. Instead of a community you have simply a collection of individuals, and each of those individuals is thinking, at least at a subconscious level, "It's every man for himself." Without homogeneity you no longer have a common set of shared values. Antisocial behavior goes way up: schoolyard shootings and drug usage, for example. Neurotic and psychotic behavior goes way up too. Without homogeneity the individuals in the society have a weaker sense of identity- you know and I know Dancer that candian identity has come to mean nothing but a set of empty clichés-, canadians have a weaker sense of who they are and of what they belong to. They're much less likely to find positive role models among the real people around them: among their teachers and neighbors and community leaders. They're much less likely to have constructive goals or to lead purposeful and useful lives. You know this and I know this... what does it even mean to be Canadian anymore... so much for identity and cohesiveness.. no wonder alienation is on the rise.

The obfuscation was about another poster claiming that mentioning that the dramatic increase in school shootings recently is "racism". My point was that we have seen all of our school shootings AFTER hippy liberalism (and racial egalitarianism and cultural relativism) became the dominant dogma of our country (circa 1965).,.. and that is very much an indisputable fact. Quibbling over shootings in 1989 and 1994 ... is pretty superfluous to the argument.

arena is already for all practicall purposes taken care of: ballsillie is ready to build one in Québec AND Hamilton. And the dude who owns cirque du soleil also pledged to build a super arena in Quebec if a team could be moved there. i,d love to see hamilton and Québec AND Winnipeg though... Bettman and his policy of moving teams to ludicrous US markets (to try and rival the big 3 are so self defeating) ... Las Vegas and Oakland are rumored buyers ... how much of a joke is that?

A man associates with a church that is exclusively Black, preaches black dominance, prats on about the inferiority of the white race, disseminates anti white literature, has as its members extremists who had a part in the Zebra black on white murder of the 70's... but you see no signs of racism? Let me gag and puke at that one... why do I disgust you? please answer... i suspect its because you believe i'm racist and that you hate racists... if you really think about it- you'll see the hypocrisy in your thinking..

she has a snout... that's simply a fact silly. check this pic out: http://www.suicidepages.com/wp-content/upl...leobamazira.jpg she really does look like an extra on Planet of the Apes... and how about responding to massah obambo's racism?

Well prior to 1975 (some time after the hippy revolution in canada) there were ZERO school shootings in recorded history.. oddly enough when canada was just a boring stuffy intolerant and white nation. But the school shootings, are indeed the product of alienation... and alienation is a inevitable part of being in a country with no identity and cultural relativism. Alienation is a inevitable part of diversity. School Shootings are for all practical purposes a very recent development. And the worst ones in recent memory were committed by our sacrosanct minority people... Marc Lépine (aka: Gamil Gharbi- mongrel son of an Islamic misogynist) and Kimvheer Gill a Dravidian pest. so thank you for this latest bit of fraudulent obfuscation Dancer.

How disconnected you are from reality... Its as if you never read the federalist papers... In 1787, in the second of The Federalist Papers, John Jay gave thanks that "Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people, a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs . . . ." This is not exactly a celebration of diversity, Jay gives thanks to the fact that america is and should continue to be a HOMOGENEOUS people. Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson were all explicit about wanting the United States to be a white country, and in 1790 the first federal naturalization law required that applicants for citizenship be "free white persons." BC, you're simply out of touch with any reasonable approach of what it means to be American.. and what is america .and the fact that you yourself are an american serves as a perfect illustration of your countries current quandary. Xenophobic? thirdworld-phobic perhaps... but clearly you're not even challenging the fact that illegal aliens are posing a clear threat to the United States. They run the cost of running the country way up and in the long wrong will cause disastrous consequences (in the form of life quality drops, lower wages, higher taxes, division, racial and cultural tensions etc). And risking their lives? the border patrol deports illegals on a TOKEN scale and is utterly inoffensive to the illegals. And you'd rather have a criminal cross your border then a legal citizen upholding the law... that's just your own personal problem.. it doesn't reflect the majority opinion of americans... and doesn't reflect on what a decent american SHOULD think. your just an aberration, a motor mouth with no real understanding of the world around him...

Are you drunk? Citing the fact that there have been more school shootings in canada since 1994 (as the schools "diversify" and student alienation skyrockets) is racist? I thought you called me a liberal&! ahahaha stfu ! And silly-pants: FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS THE RIGHT TO SAY WHATEVER YOUR CONSCIENCE DICTATES WITHOUT CENSORSHIP OR THREAT OF VIOLENCE. And liberals agree with you: after all they are the ones who concocted the "hate speech laws" and other clearly anti freedom of speech legislation... the "right" to not feel bad or "to be hurt by words" or not to be insulted is a COMPLETELY liberal concept ... it has no validity in an atmosphere of complete freedom of speech and intellectual freedom.

? Why would you believe that... as I have showed you: his ACTIONS and 20+year membership to a black supremacist church CLEARLY put the lie on Barack being a lovely racial egalitarian... . Upon what evidence do you believe him? First we know he writes about 0.5% of his own speeches, second you have his 20 YEAR MEMBERSHIP of a black racist church... then you have his anti white buddies that he STILL HASN'T PUBLICLY RENOUNCED... Then you have some of the published anti white raving s of his chimp-like wife: michelle apparently agrees with York on the notion that whites are genetically inferior: she calls them "albinos" creatures with a congenital or genetic deficiency. And btw, we don't even know WHAT Obama wrote during his Harvard tenure has been published (rumors are that they were terribly inept and some of his essays for elective poli sci courses are tainted with black racism and proto-communist rantings) I mean you probably still would'nt DARE call him what he is even he came out and made a speech about how we needed to "kill whitey"... which again reaffirms your sickening double standards and glaring hypocrisy... which makes everything you say suspect and like a wet turd falling on my keyboard.

Because you clearly show your bias for "da prezzy-dent" despite him being a racist, war mongering, lying, finagling individual. You pathetically gloss over his Black Power "church", and disgustingly avoid commenting on the truly nasty nonsense of his favorite ideologue James Cone... have you read the black value system link? (Update: 02.20.2008 -- FROM The TUCC.org's website) 1. Commitment to God 2. Commitment to the Black Community 3. Commitment to the Black Family 4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education 5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence 6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic 7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect 8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness" 9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community 10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions 11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System 12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System. If racism disgusts you, and you hate racism... (as you despise me for "racism") well then if you are rationally consistent you should feeel the same way about B.O. The commandants of the black value system outlined here are as important or MORE important to Trinity Unity Church of Christ members then the 10 commandments... Obizzle by being a member of this all black church, who sold books (and STILL sell books) from noted black supremacists Dwight York who faunded the Nuwaubians: who believe in black people's superiority to white people, that white people are "devils," devoid of both heart and soul, that the color of white people is the result of leprosy and genetic inferiority, and that the ancestors of white people are the sexual partners of dogs and jackals. The TUCC also count as members the ex-Death Angels, a small splinter group of the Nation of Islam, who were responsible for the Zebra murders (black on white free kills during the 70's)... I mean this is a black KKK church... This is the church Obama comes from, that he attended religiously, and developed a deep connection with its most vehement member rev. Wright. And all of this is "nothing to get worked up about".... yet when Whites are just a little racist: you bark and spit on them and tell them how much you "despise" them... alarm bells are wringing Canadien... the jig is sooo up... you believe racism is bad ONLY when the people embracing it are WHITE... HYPOCRITE.

again, cowardice... avoidance and ad hominems... g'head: define RACIST... please ..

Psychological harm... omg.... that's pretty lofty. If a boss invites an employee to severely criticize his work, that too may cause psychological harm... or as some blacks would call it "mental anguishes"- but who would dream to think that it was even APPROACHABLE to actual physical violence (in this case assault) causing bodily harm? And I'm a liberal - jeez your perceptive... I'm about as right wing as one can be... I see liberalism as a disease of the mind... Freedom of Speech has no relationship with "responsibility"... If I say I don,t believe in creationism and despise the bible, that might make a few fundamentalist christians kill me... but who would dream to think that I should be ready to be killed for speaking my mind because it might piss a few loners off? There have been more school shootings in canada since the middle of the clinton era then in the whole prior history of Canada... that's what I mean by that... oddly enough as "diversity" increases in out schools. hide behind political correctness? nothing I say is politically correct in the orthodox way... how old are you? 13 ? you seem pretty lost..

again: DEFINE "RACIST"! stop evading you duck and cover coward!

no it wasn't if you can read... words of hatred have no place in society? even if the words advocate killing nasty "racists" or fascists? Lol judging by your extreme hatred of Politically Incorrect people, and your clear promotion of hatred and stereotyping of people who don't share your opinions on certain matters ... you clearly don't believe that. lemme guess... yeah you're a hypocrite.. There was no advocacy of murder: just a racial epithet... if you think that calling someone a racist name is equivalent to assault then the conversation is over: you are simply an overheated hate filled bloodthirsty bigot that is incapable of rational cognition.

WOW! you actually believe BO wrote that?! ahahaha! If you believe that reading a TelePrompter with a pre-written speech expertly produced by a passel of professional speech writers is somehow proof that a person's believes and agrees every word he reads... then you are a fool and a sucker and that is that. The proof is there... Cone is the central author of books distributed by Obama's Trinity Church... Obama by being a devoted member of a racist black supremacist church for 20 years MUST AGREE WITH AT LEAST MOST OF THE DOCTRINAL FUSTIAN of that incredible "church". I mean unless you are simply being dishonest (which I suspect you are) you don't pal around with black supremacists just for the hell of it... If a white person pals around with Ku Kluxers, the chances are he's a racist... so why should this be different for blacks? Get a copy of the Black Value System (http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2006/12/obamas_black_va.html) replace the words "black" with "white" ... and tell me that if a white candidate embraced such a "cult" if he would have a chance at the presidency... you know and everybody knows he wouldn't.. Bush lied about WMD's in Iraq... why should you trust anything a president reads on a teleprompter? oh I know why! Because obama isn't white and hence automatically morally superior and incapable of lying right? Admit that's what you think...

the "God Damn america" is not at all what i'm referring to, if you actually read on James Cone and Wright, and read about black liberation theology, you'd know that they think the US should be abolished because it's a monument to white oppression. In their own published works: they refer to white americans as "The White Enemy" consistently.. They also liken whites generally to "Satan's Spawn" and "non-humans"... They also believe that white are albinos, and genetically defective creatures that must be exterminated for their own good and the good of humanity (ie: blacks) ... you're just the one who is choosing to overlook unpleasant facts because you like to live in a pleasant TV world where you don't have to pain yourself with grim realities. They really do hate, they really are racists, and they really detest America. If you think that asking for the extermination of a entire people (white americans) and treating non blacks as sub-human "non-humans" is not equivalent to hate... then I'd like to know what is... If Wright or Cone would have been white spewing similar venom towards non-whites... they'd be identified as hate-speech mongers and doubtlessly jailed.

read: I would respond, but have nothing to offer other then shabby blame shifting excuses that are at best unconvincing and at worst make me look like an asshat. lemme guess: black people in America, Britain and Canada are overrepresented in prisons because of "whitey and his rayciss ways dat be putting da black manne and his powerful mind down"... oh and South Africa, Zimbabwe, Rwanda, Haiti, are fetid compost heaps because of ... um... whitey too... and then you'd tell me that there no single palpable shred of evidence that suggests that blacks are different to "asians or whites" and that their different skin tone, craniometry, growth rates, type and degree of intelligence, physical aptitudes and susceptibility to specific diseases is all due to white racism and poverty... (got that about right?) no wonder...

ahahahahah! the Hitler argument wow! How much dumber can an ad hominem get? Hitler was also a vegetarian and a pioneer of animal rights... so by the irrevocable law of liberal lemmings: Vegetarianism and Animal rights= bad.