lictor616

Communism is the economic dominance of government and bureaucracies. It follows that to IMPLEMENT COMMUNISM... you NEED A HIERARCHY, a ADMINISTRATIVE "bourgeousie"... how else can a country organize such programs as "nationalization"? NOT EVERYONE can administer the organs of government... and not every citizen can be given the right to veto decisions... AND a communist government will inevitably impose on the proletariat because never will there ever be unanimous agreement anywhere! The fatal flaws of communism are so apparent, so clearly visible, that only a person that is badly acquainted with them can fail to see them... The very necessities of organizing labor automatically mean differentiation and ranking and hierarchy (who are anathema to communism). Think about it how do you equalize a population? If the individual members can NEVER BE EQUAL? How do you for instance seize a mansion from a bourgeois... and redistribute it equally? give a plank of wood to everyone equally? have 20 people live in it? destroy it? who's to decide? where are the guarantee's that this will be done equally? The same goes for agriculture, different lines of work etc... its just unworkable... Communism is a MISREADING OF HUMAN NATURE... Communism operates under the delusion that human nature can be made to change to suit the whims of primitive works like Das Kapital by Mordecai Levy (whoops I mean Karl Marx!) Communism thrived because it appealed to the lowest elements of deficient societies (again contrary to what marx prophesied.. communism began in the POORER NATIONS... not the wealthy western one.) Communism in Poland was very bottom up... they motivated enlisted the many poor, uneducated and miserable elements in Polish society (which constituted a majority) they then identified the Bourgeois class (statesmen, poets, writers, bankers etc) and set the mob loose on them... and the results are clearly seen in the annals of history, Katyn, Warsovie etc... That was proletarian communism... as was the Russian Revolution... who again enlisted MAJORITIES of the proletariat... that's marxism 101. You can SAY that that isn't marxism... but you'd be on par with a person saying that National Socialism never really happened and that hitler's vision was never really carried out.... and so nazism has never really existed and that we should give it a chance. Fascism has no relationship with communism whatsoever. Fascism is a CONTRARY ideology to communism... Fascism is ELITIST... it is ANTI-EGALITARIAN. Fascists are not egalitarians ... they are Darwinists (real darwinists... unlike communists who merely pay lip service to Darwin and then categorically reject the implication of his theories of biological evolution by swallowing such nonsense concepts as human equality). Fascism is opposed to Finance Capitalism (the private ownership of industry) and State Socialism (the state ownership of industry)... they would make the Agricultural Corporation, the Fishery Corporation, the Water corporation etc under the joint control of Management, Workers and Consumers. The Government would only intervene in the event of major discord within the Corporation. That is the essence of Fascism... did it work? well of course unfortunately ... it kinda did in Italy and Germany before the entire World mobilized against them... near zero unemployment, everyone well fed, very few lower classes and very few super rich classes... just a very large middle class of self sufficient, independent free holding people. Of course it wasn't a utopia... it wasn't particularly pleasant place for Jews, gypsies,, homosexuals, the mentally deficient, the infirm and so on... But to call Communism "fascistic" (!) is admitting that you have no clue of what these two opposing systems are...

the government in Russia left their people to starve because to keep their war machine going they had to use ALL of their resources towards the military... That meant rationing food as much as possible... Capitalists in the meantime had a formidable army, and full bellies. funny no? but that's the essence of Marxism... you talk as if we gave Marxism another chance it wouldn't turn out the same... on what do you base this silly myth? Nevermind that as stated before, marxism is a hoax, and not an actual ideology on statecraft... why do you reject the many examples and different types of communism and marxism that have been tried out (WORLDWIDE) as "not communism/marxism"... Chinese communism and Soviet communism were very different, but hey faired about the same: harrowing poverty, million of cadavers, and a nightmarish prison state. What about cambodian communism? Tito communism? Polish COmmunism? they all FAILED MISERABLY! and I'd wager that the reason you defend the communist manifesto and Marx, is that you aren't very well read on the subject. If you were, you wouldnt dare make the statements you're making.

like CLinton and Obama, he's also a cokehead. such "CHANGE" no?

well that's just the lunacy of our present plight... I've been reprimanded 3 or 4 times for using the word "black" instead of african american (even here)... what does that say about race relations when we can't even name who we're talking about without offending people... I've long passed the point of caring about the supremely sensitive ears of liberals though. and by the way if you're so outraged at the concept of "women of color" why don't you complain to massah obama himself: http://my.barackobama.com/page/group/WomenofColorforObama snip--- "Women of Color for Obama is an interest group for African-American Women, who are dedicated to helping Senator Barack Obama become the first African-American President. Our goals will focus on voter awareness, GOTV, fundraising, and other grassroots efforts." see what I mean? apparently race doesn't only mean something to me... (it obviously does to you, and many many an Obama voter)...

Obama, Bush and McCain are a difference in degree not kind. I assert again... HISTORIC, UNPRECEDENTED MOMENTOUS... would not have been words used to describe a democratic nomination if the president elect would have been A WHITE HETEROSEXUAL MALE. The central differentiating characteristic is race. And let's not even delve into policy issues, we've already ascertained that the american public is utterly ignorant of ANY political platform. especially (i'm sorry to say) minorities. We already know about voter eligibility and that (as contained in Just How Stupid Are We by Rick Shenkman ) just read his "voter mistakes section" "Voter mistakes fall into four categories: (1) the "drunkards search", like a drunk looking for lost car keys only where the light is, voters pick up information passively without working to uncover new information (2) voters remember personal information about candidates and not hard facts about issues (3) voters prefer yes/no answers and abhor uncertainty, but most difficult issues involve uncertainty (4) voters can't see connections between actions and results -- for example, if the economy improves, they'll credit the president, even though there may have been no relation." AGAIN! Even Hellary herself went on record saying that if she looses the democratic nomination primary: "because many black voters will side with Obama". And even bill clinton (the great welfare father) said "race, gender to decide vote" http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/elec...l-clinton_N.htm for those too indolent to research the american voter:

oh so true, the absolute horror of reading the dread syllables of "shuck & jive" can be soul destroying for tender and flower souled humanitarians such as jbg, M.,Dancer and Toadbrother... who love everyone so much that they want to rip the guts out of anyone who doesn't love everyone as much as they do!

If Ron Paul were a black crippled lesbian, i'd still vote for him 1000 times over before I ever would even think of casting my ballot for a George Bush or McCain... Unfortunately he's white, and is anti big government... and every good parlor pink liberal knows that that is a BIG no-no... and honestly why do you care about how I feel about blacks? Individually I know many and even befriend some. but why say that i'm some sort of swinish defective, because I don't hypocritically say that I love all of them? and don't make excuses for them... Am I wrong for looking at the forest for the trees sometimes?

its obviously a huge factor in your mind as well if your rushing to any thread that deducts the obvious conclusions about the 08 election... calling it historical and "special" for reasons anyone with half a brain can understand... RACE

for "women of color" yes, race absolutely trumps gender... every lefty socialist will tell you the same... are you actually disputing these facts?

Again, race is a heavier and far more important reality then gender (especially to black people and racial liberals) racism always trumps sexism... so the choice between a white VP woman... and BLACK president ... in the eyes of do gooding egalitarians is an obvious one. ESPECIALLY to racial minorities.

again can you name on exchange specifically? as for pseudo science.... do you believe black people are "black" for ... genetic reasons? or because of racism and poverty?

from thread: "the old double standard still"... ToadBrother Today, 07:26 AM Post #158 Full Member Group: Members Posts: 1654 Joined: 1-December 08 Member No.: 4507 QUOTE: "You're a lying little monster, Lictor." see you did call me a monster

and what about communists?

for the love of god! i'll change it then! (i'll edit the post...)

shucking and jiving is racist? and maundanity is a forum transgression? trying to silence people who don't have the same opinions as you eh? a true liberal extremist you are.

scrap all of these, go for Duvel, Paulaner, Fin Du Monde or Postel.... everything else is urine. lol I kid I kid. go for BAVARIA (correct that typo)

really a moment ago you called me a monster and exhibited quite unambiguous hatred towards me personally... You also think that 6 million jews are much more important then 7 to 10 million Ukrainians... since many times you have justified, where you have not outright praized the gaping double standards in the treatment of the Holodomor and Holocaust. what specifically have I wrote that is racial hatred?

I really have to comment on this obscene and vile comment of yours jbg: the victims of the Holodomor had no relationship with the Holocaust... the 7 to 10 million dead in the holodomor happened in 1931-32 that's right: 8 years before the start of Nazi concentration camp operations... Furthermore, who could blame the Ukraine for siding with the germans after having 3 million of their own children DESTROYED in the holodomor by communist troglodytes for so long? As far as scrubbing "jews of Ukraine" but perhaps the best example of your mindset, is when you look at the details... There were perhaps 500 000 ukraine jews that perished in the Holocaust... and to your mind: that is sufficient justification to wipe out 7 to 10 million Ukrainians in return. (EVEN IF they died BEFORE THE HOLOCAUST!) you certainly remind me of that blunt quote showing the supremacist attitude:by the famous and well loved Rabbi Ya'acov Perin who said once while speaking at the funeral of the mass murderer Dr. Baruch Goldstein "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." presumably you feel the same about Ukrainians. oh but "I'M THE RACIST" !?!? right? tsk tsk.

yet you choose to ignore the double standard in the case of the holodomor receiving so little attention (when it technically should be receiving MORE) and then insult anyone who says that it should be more widely recognized... you defend people like M.Dancer who minimize this monstrous act of murder that was the Holodomor... but again you go absolutely haywire and scream insults when anyone touches the holocaust. You don't understand that what is maddening here is the DOUBLE STANDARDS that are manifest in every line you write. You really DO NOT CARE AT ALL about the Holodomor... your acts and comments corroborate that very clearly... and you quite obviously have a deep and inveterate emotional attachment to the Holocaust (even if you don't really understand it, and don't really know the details very well). its pure unadulterated BIAS.

his victory was called HISTORIC because of the racial elements... obvious (you even concede that).... and many people voted for him FOR THAT VERY REASON... because he would show the world a "different face" one taht isn't white (and oh isn't that a wonderful thing!). People were celebrating and fascinated with this election BECAUSE OF THE RACIAL ELEMENTS. The people who voted for obama WANTED A HISTORICAL moment in history. Why pretend as if this wasn't a motivating factor as you do? again, who do you think you're fooling here? CHANGE? HOPE? for what? of what? CHANGE was to replace the white face as president with a black one... that's what the message communicated was!

the argument should be here that gender politics are never as powerful as racial ones... you can try to cover up race under the powder of empty words sprinkled over it... but it lies dormant in the soul, dormant in the mind and it always awakens with the slightest gust of wind... and boy did you see all those crying blacks at inauguration dot dot dot in a state of trance (start at 0:36 seconds)"If Obama looses, there will be black race riots" Vote Obama or DIE" ( ) here you hear Jeremiah Wright, Obama's mentor and best friend for 25 years, in typical fashion, refer to white people as "the Enemy"and just in case that wasn't enough... here's young jeezy and jay-z rapping to an enthusiastic crowd (most of it black) KEEP MOVING OUT THE WHITE HOUSE: MY PRESIDENT IS MUTHA- F***ING BLACK N*GGA"..... jay-z "NO MORE WHITE LIES, MY PRESIDENT IS BLACK!!!" " I'm so proud of being balck right now.. i'm speechless" to enthusiastic applause... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXgcmJm_oUo...feature=related that's right Obama authorized an inauguration party that featured "artists" that said the "n-word" every 2 sentences... classy stuff. great for a "post-racial america" I suppose... (i guess since the people saying the n-word where black... sok here we have children being excited and apoplectic at the inauguration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e1Qyt6V2Pc "it feel so damn good to have a black president" ( )there's a nice song that goes like this in this clip: "dear oba-ba-ba ma, dear oh ba ba ba ba ma ... OBAMA!!! lol might as well be bleating "dear oba BAHH BAH BAH BAH"

What makes you think i'm a mental degenerate.. specifically what exactly makes me one?

if I substituted the word jew for Ukrainian here... it would sum up your frank opinion of the Ukrainians and their holodomor.

oH!!! right! the Ukrainians DARED to not coddle jews... so logically they deserved to have 7 to 10 million of their people killed! its only logic! How good and fitting and satisfying it is that the head butcher of the Ukraine Genocide... was a jew himself .. Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich... Stalin's favorite henchman. Maybe you'd like to have a poster of him in your house somewhere, I mean clearly this man is a hero for giving those vile sub human Ukrainians their comeuppance for DARING to not worship the chosen people! Yeah Ukrainians really deserved worse then the holocaust (even if they didn't participate in it!) Jbg... The Ukrainians really did have it coming.... they weren't sufficiently well trained (unlike you) to know that whenever they see or hear a Jewish person, they must automatically drop to their knees and knock their foreheads three times on the pavement in veneration of their living gods! Okay you win... holodomor was totally cool and necessary! Actually the Ukraine can be thankful that th e death toll stopped at 7 to 10 million for daring to displease god's own!

physically degenerate is what was meant there... anyhoozle!