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i wonder if mubarak had anything to do with the stone throwers and graffiti artists. how do you think the egyptian people feel about israel?

forgive me while i interrupt your high fives, but, why are they throwing stones at him? The attack comes weeks after Mr Galloway, of the Respect party, described Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak as a "tyrant" and "criminal" and demanded that he be overthrown by his country's armed forces. i have a few questions: isn't mubarak a tyrant and a criminal? does galloway being pelted by stone show that egyptians are behind israel and against hamas? is that loudmouthed galloway in the top 5 of hated figures in the zionist world? up there with finkelstein and chomsky? anywhere near gandhi?

why wouldn't hamas be popular? the gazans lived through the israeli carnage and they know whose bombs fell on them and whose guns shot their children. no amount of propaganda or media control will convince them that hamas brought this upon them.

to me, when it comes to moral standards, accepting military retaliation that kills people is the same as accepting that blinding the man is just. therefore, i don't see "eye for an eye" being only in the islamic culture.

still waiting to see a response to these: B'Tselem is B'Tselem another self-hating jewish human rights organization? what's your excuse for them criticizing israel's actions towards the palestinians?

you're all about the zingers, eh dancer? how is the whole reporting me to copyright organization coming along? looks like DoP's post has been deleted. weird that one of my posts in another thread was also deleted.

factual information seem to bring out responses like yours. :clap:

does anyone else here take the word of a religious fanatic as the word for a whole country, race or religion? kind of like what hagee said about katrina happening because of its sins.

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i think it's great that israel's courts try to follow law. it's too bad the IDF and the government does not follow what the courts say.

can you show me how they were prosecuted and what was the exact sentence? give me a few examples of this. lol. police.. wife... suicide jumper. hilarious analogy. way to try to justify that one. asking civilians to go door to door is just one of the examples of using civilians as human shields. they've also camped in homes while keeping the civilians. regardless, any use of civilians as human shield, is illegal.

so what if a larger portion of jews support israel's tactics. i'm sure a larger portion of germans supported the nazis as well. majority of the world is against israel's actions and this pressure will force israel to respect human rights and international law just like the apartheid south african government was.

no one is saying that all hamas has done is right. they have received plenty of attention in regards to using human shields. certainly a lot from you. however, no attention seems to be going towards israel and its actions, certainly not from you. so what is there to get back to you on? israel has used civilians as human shields since the court ruling. it's not the first time that israel has violated its own court. why are you trying to justify israel's use of human shields? i don't get your logic. as the polite french would say, vous êtes un fanatique.

you're a fanatic Dancer. just as your second last post shows, you will go to any length to try to justify wrong doings done by "your side". of course, you'll jump all over hamas if they use civilians as human shields, but when israel does it, you go into your "so what" mode.

The Israeli Defence Ministry will appeal against a supreme court ruling banning the use of Palestinian human shields in raids, officials said. Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz is prepared to make a personal appearance in court to defend the practice, ministry officials added. BBC News more, from the most recent conflict: “Our sources in Gaza report that Israeli soldiers have entered and taken up positions in a number of Palestinian homes, forcing families to stay in a ground floor room while they use the rest of their house as a military base and sniper position,” said Malcolm Smart, Amnesty International’s Middle East and North Africa Programme. “This clearly increases the risk to the Palestinian families concerned and means they are effectively being used as human shields.” Both Israeli soldiers and Palestinian gunmen are continuing to fire at each other from areas close to civilian homes, endangering their inhabitants. Israeli forces have bombed civilian homes and other buildings, arguing that they had been used as cover by gunmen firing at Israeli targets. although Palestinian fighters usually vacate the areas as soon as they have fired. “The Israeli army is well-aware that Palestinian gunmen usually leave the area after having fired and that any reprisal attack against these homes will in most cases cause harm to civilians -- not gunmen.” amnesty international: don't worry, i don't expect an apology. i'm just glad that we're all learning something. do you still want to get rid of people like me? all i'm sharing here are facts that are drowned out by fanatics on both sides.

more stink from israel: Israel 'plans settlement growth' The Israeli government has plans to build at least 73,000 new homes for Jews in the occupied West Bank, the anti-settlement group Peace Now says. If the plans are implemented in full it would double the number of settlers in the West Bank outside east Jerusalem, according to the Peace Now website. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7919050.stm The completion of these projects will make the plan of creating a Palestinian state next to Israel totally unrealistic Yariv Oppenheimer Peace Now no kidding.

what does that even mean?

you have been trying to make it look like that the zionist and israel criticism is coming only from either muslims or a small population of jews. you are very wrong. the groups i listed are just a sample of jewish groups who are against israel/zionist agenda.

yep. there are only a couple dozen of them DoP http://www.jewsforajustpeace.com/ http://www.lajewsforpeace.org/ http://www.ejjp.org/ http://www.ajjp.org/ http://jews4peace.com/ http://www.jfajpnc.org/ http://www.lajewsforpeace.org/Actions.html http://thirdtablet.com/ColoradoJewsForAJustPeace/ http://sjjp.org.uk/ http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ http://www.nkusa.org/ http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/ http://www.jewishpeacefellowship.org http://www.peacenow.org.il/English.asp http://www.tikkun.org/ http://www.yesh-gvul.org/english.html http://www.gush-shalom.org/english/index.html http://www.junity.org/ http://www.btselem.org/English/Publications/index.asp http://www.nimn.org http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/ http://www.merip.org/mer/mer216/216_halper.html http://www.ajds.org.au/ http://www.matzpun.com http://www.netureikarta.org/ http://www.israelshamir.net/ http://codoh.com/zionweb/ziondark/zionoppdex.html http://www.diak.org/Haayesh-gvul.htm http://www.batshalom.org/ http://www.occupied.org/ http://www.rhr.israel.net/indexa.html http://www.ariga.com/ozveshalom/index.asp http://www.opentent.org/jews.html i didn't realize there were so many by doing a simple search. if you want more, i can give you more groups.

the jews who reject zionism would disagree with you and would not appreciate you calling them zionists.

their racist actions of course. not only are they racist towards israelis but their actions in the occupied territories is also racist. inside israel, one of many racist policies: They also include bills that require ministers and MKs to swear allegiance to a Jewish state and those that set aside 13 percent of all state lands owned by the Jewish National Fund for Jews only. outside israel: that doesn't need to be explained. it's quite clear that israel's actions towards the palestinians is quite racist. much like the apartheid south africa's government was towards africans who were forced to live in the conditions they lived. what's predictable? that there are jews who are against some of israel's actions? yeah, there are many jews who are not racist.

see. there he goes again trying to shut down legitimate criticism of zionism by using the anti-semite card. there are many good jews out there, just like there are many good muslims out there. i have both jewish and muslim friends who share the same idea that zionism is a racist ideology and they also agree that terrorism against civilians, no matter who is committing it, is wrong.

some zionists don't lie i'm sure. some are quite frank about their selfish agenda. for example lieberman who has received a large number of votes in the recent elections. israel is very much a racist state.

the modern zionist movement is a selfish and racist movement that will use many different questionable tactics, including lying in order to achieve its agenda.