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how can "cleansing of the palestinians" be taken out of context? there are many more quotes from old ben mentioning transfer and the cleansing of the palestinians. you can see most of them in the book righteous victims by benny morris.

anyone want to go have some fun and go water boarding? cheney? as long as you get to have the fun though, okay? i'll strap you down, put a towel on your face and start pouring water on your head. so much fun! boy oh boy! just like when you used to get your head flushed down the toilet! maybe after we can go pray to jesus!

look it up yourself.

in today's world, the brits and italians would not be able to get away with what israel gets away with.

you speak the truth.

well, it may be in your world, but in reality it wasn't the rest of the planet. are you also aware that those BIG BAD persians set the jews free? i'm talking about cyrus the great, as according to the old testament, the deliverer. when was the last time the jews thanked the persians or the muslims for freeing them? very ungrateful, don't you think? i'm sure many did fight for their land but that doesn't say anything about the attacks on villages by the jewish military and terrorist groups that killed thousands and forced hundreds of thousands of palestinians from their homes. have you ever looked into the zionist terrorist groups such as irgun and and lehi? another inconvenient historical fact. have you ever looked into ben-gurion's own admission: "‘the cleansing of Palestine remained the prime objective of Plan Dalet”. it sucks when ben-gurion disagrees with what you say, doesn't it?

all i see is 33 nations voting for the partition. are 33 nations considered "the rest of the planet" to you? actually, something you probably wouldn't like to know is that once those BIG BAD Muslims conquered and arrived in 630., the ban on the jews were lifted and they were able to return after a 500 year ban from the region by the romans. yes! this whole thing is because of the grand mufti! you are absolutely right! who cares about the killings, the expulsions and the fleeing of hundreds of palestinians? that's just inconvenient historical facts. maybe if you keep repeating grand mufti, people will actually believe that he was the reason the palestinians got fucked over. winkwink

who is the rest of the planet? before the mass zionist immigration, less than 10% of the population of the region were jewish.

almost every thread takes different courses and i wouldn't have been able to change the course without the help of my fellow hijackers, DoP, the extensional atheist who supports a jewish state and dancer, the guy who had the meltdown. oh and you, by posting the information below: extremism breeds extremism. it's a cycle. israel's extremism did not come about in the past decade. the illegal settlements and the refusal by israel to follow international law (1967 border) has helped fan extremism just like suicide attacks and rockets launched into israel. the conditions under which israel was created was forced upon the natives of the land. however, we're at a point where we cannot go back and fix this problem. we have to follow what the law says now if we want any progress.

it does sound like a lot of fun! we've all become such pussies.

i don't agree that he should be banned.

any water boarding?

i don't agree with everything he says, but hitchens is at least willing to make up his own mind instead of being a mouthpiece pussy like sean hannity: from an earlier post: it starts out like this: it ends with this: here is the video of him being water boarded. is there really a debate? http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/feature...ens_video200808

you're wrong about muslim israelis too, but that doesn't matter. you're trying to push the issue to another topic. we're talking about immigration laws: the israeli immigration law gives preferential treatment if you are jewish (inherently or by conversion). a muslim or christian will not receive the same treatment unless he converts to judaism.

like what for example? touche.

yes DoP. i'm a jew-baiting neo nazi because i point out that the label of 'existential atheist' that you've given yourself is silly since you support a state that gives preferential treatment to those who follow a certain religion. /sarcasm

that was fun to read. the thing is, you're trying to give the impression that torture was okay back then and now we've become pussies by saying methods like waterboarding should be illegal. the thing is that waterboarding and other torture methods have been illegal for a long time, even back then. U.S. prosecuted the japanese soldiers for torturing U.S. soldiers. one of the torture methods that they were prosecuted for was waterboarding. if waterboarding was not considered torture, then it wouldn't have been listed as one of the reasons they were prosecuted.

this is interesting. certainly a slap in savage's face and his fans, for putting him on the same list as people they would not want to be associated with.

i'm glad dancer and DoP were able to learn something again, but back to the original topic; here is a fox news anchor giving his views on torture: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmUTCqVblWw

huh? you're having a hard time comparing the two because they are different. don't pretend otherwise. you can't convert to japanese by doing a religious ceremony, however, you can convert to judaism by doing a religious ceremony and then receive an automatic pass into the land of israel. don't pretend otherwise.

it started when DoP called himself an "existentialist atheist", which is when i asked him why he considers himself one when he supports a state that gives special privilege to someone who follows a particular religion. i never said saudi arabia is not a religious state or that i support them. not sure why it's being brought up.

it is about religion since someone who converts to judaism is also covered by the "law of return". i hope this simple fact doesn't trigger another meltdown.

speaking of raging hate-on, thanx for the drivel. is this what happens when you realize that you can't counter facts? you asked a couple of pages ago, how israel gives special privilege to those who are jewish and i gave you an answer. then you, falsely, tried to equate the israeli citizenship law to that of other countries when they cannot be equated, since one has to do with nationality and the other about religion. the point still stands; you receive special treatment by israel if you follow the jewish religion.

no dancer. either you are dense and you don't get something so simple or you're pretending not to get it. which is it? for the 5th time; there is a difference between someone's nationality and their religious background. if you're not jewish, but convert to judaism, you will receive special treatment by israel because your religion is judaism. if your religious background is not jewish, then you will not receive this special treatment.

ah yeah. okay. does this mean that you accept: the silliness for someone (DoP) who calls himself an existential atheist to support a state that gives special privileges to those who follow a certain religion.