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I agree there is far too much spin and personal attack and dismissal here, and far to little of informed discussion, though at times it is good quality. Unfortunately, imo rabble is too much constrained by the agreement to certain political stances demanded of posters. I console myself with the known fact that when posters resort to asinine spin and personal attacks, it's because your arguments have them stumped for any logical or intelligent comeback. New info re WTC, not available yet online, but from Mayday magazine: Dr. Graeme MacQueen (retired) from McMaster Peace Studies reviewed 10,000 pages of testimony from 500 firefighters, staff, police and occupants of the WTC and found 118 spontaneous descriptions of perceptions of explosions, that "are seen, heard and felt", like this one: "They threw me 40 feet, tumbling along the ground, and when I got up I couldn't hear, because it was like this massive firecracker had gone off." MacQueen also says "We also have accounts from people who had been in the US Army who were trained in explosives." He concludes: "So I think we can now say that there were explosions. If people want to pretend that the explosions had nothing to do with controlled demolition, then we can have a discussion about that. But nobody should even be trying to say that there weren't explosions. So why is it that the 9/11 Commission does pretend that there weren't any? Why is it that the National Institute of Standards and Technology, after a three year study, concludes that there weren't any? Why do they not even discuss this when they both had access to this testimony?" (More in next month's Mayday.)

So ... life is only about money? I am disturbed by people who equate the Tamils in Canada with the Tamil Tigers. Clearly, from their own message, they are not terrorists. Rather, they are civilians who were at one time trapped in the fighting and escaped to safety. However, they are very concerned about their fellow Tamils still caught in the firing line between Sri Lankan and LTTE forces, being used as human shields by the LTTE. Also clearly, they demand that LTTE stop forced recruiting. They are committed enough to protecting their countrymen to amass over 30,000 for the protest on Parliament Hill. Also, if you googled once you could learn that despite recency of immigration, the Tamil population is doing quite well economically in Canada, owning homes, businesses, and with an unemployment rate only slightly higher than our own. I see no rationale for the ignorance and disrespect heaped upon them by some posters here, who should be ashamed of themselves, imo.

They have the right to peaceful protest. And 10,000 people did today.

Nobody disobeyed the law.

You are right. I didn't. And I do think Hamas' actions should be investigated too, and I'm sure they will be.

Well, I missed this gem! Constitution s. 35 http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/const/annex_e.html#II There is the law. That's our choice generally, being Canadians. (What alternative reality are you in?)

I was editing so you missed this: And the government says ... http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/ap/tln-eng.asp oral history: Evidence taken from the spoken words of people who have knowledge of past events and traditions. This oral history is often recorded on tape and then put in writing. It is used in history books and to document claims.

I'd love to comply ... but the best I can do is some references for information about the state of the discussion about oral histories... Treaty Elders of Saskatchewan: Our Dream is that Our Peoples Will One Day be Clearly Recognized as Nations;13 They Will Have Our Words: The Dene Elders Project, Volume 2;14 and They Knew Both Sides of Medicine: Cree Tales of Curing and Cursing as Told by Alice Ahenakew15 contain important commentary about western Canada, Indigenous research and presentation techniques, oral history and, as significantly, Canadian constitutional matters.16 https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/bitstrea...-DaumShanks.pdf And the government says ... http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/ap/tln-eng.asp oral history: Evidence taken from the spoken words of people who have knowledge of past events and traditions. This oral history is often recorded on tape and then put in writing. It is used in history books and to document claims.

Not by settlers ... but over the 100 years before the settlers ... by explorers, military/private militia, missionaries and traders. 100 years of 'conquest' of the Americas occurred before the settlers came. Otherwise, right on. And cybercoma ... (another thread in the op maybe?) somebody said DeSoto's pigs brought the disease, and it was all 'an accident'. Specifically, it was said "disease not racism"

tff

or ... we could throw noahbody!

and all your directions will be observed. the following spring smallpox was reported to be raging among the Indians in the vicinity. What do Canadian law and government policy have to say about Oral histories of Aboriginal Peoples? I know historians collect them. later ...

When asked if she was referring to the 9-11 terrorists, Napolitano added: "Not just those but others as well." Seems to me that she was not "misunderstood". Seems to me she 'mis-spoke'. Seems to me they picked the wrong PR spin word. But that's ok if most Americans think Canadians export terrorists. Most Canadians think 9/11 was at least partly an inside job. And maybe if they think we've got a secret stash of terrorists up here, Americans will try harder not to piss us off.

Fair. I've heard two separate accounts, one in a film - boatloads on the west coast - and one in person - wagonloads in northern Ontario. However, I can't provide links to either. But it makes you realize how silly all this kafuffle and 'truther and denial' is over the Euro-history and whether indeed any infection was deliberate. Indigenous people know their history in North America (and more). Why didn't some 'scholar' just go and ask them?

It is reported by Elders who carry the oral history that boatloads and wagonloads of blankets were delivered by either missionaries or soldiers to any village of Indigenous Peoples who would take them, in Canada. Then they got sick all at once, and most died. It's quite rude to be snide and flippant about genocide.

There were many diseases. It was over the course of 100 years, remember. You can stop trying to pigeon hole me. I'm not a pigeon ... nor a Marxist. In fact, I pretty much don't belong to anything, on principle. Read some more. You will find that there is considerable agreement among scholars on the 95% extinction of Indigenous Peoples of the Americas between 1492 and 1607. I'm not surprised nor upset by your emotional reaction to this. That's the problem: We don't know the truth, and we should.

where did I say that? (cite please) where? (cite please, and prove me wrong) Actually I'm not a cancer, I'm a leo. (Sorry. Couldn't resist. Your claims are so utterly outrageous.) Where? (cite please) I never said that. However, we ARE the ones who are accountable for our own actions, and we are accountable for the history and the present state of the Americas ... because we live here and benefit from the land 'acquired' by conquest. I see no value in denying and not knowing our own history. How can we then make any sense of our present? You think maybe we take just a bit more resources than we need? I do. I also think a very few people take a whole lot more than they need, and we all suffer for it. There's your evil: greed, today known as 'corporate' America. Just as it was during the 100 year long 'conquest' of North America. hmm ... Some things don't change. It isn't about us. We're just the little people. (Don't let them use you.) But I'll be damned if I'll line up to salute corporate greed and the ongoing destruction of the Americas. :angry:

I don't entirely agree, because I do believe it is important to know and understand our own history in relation to other peoples. After all, we do continue to reap the benefits of the brutal conquest of North America today, every day of our lives. Canada's economy, for example, is entirely dependent on resources from land held 'in trust' for Indigenous Peoples, and most still don't get a say in the use of that land, or a share in revenues. This despite treaties and rulings of the Supreme Court in their favour, which our local, provincial and federal governments continue to ignore. These are the problems of the living, so I guess I do agree, but it's absolutely necessary, imo, for us to understand and respect the historical context.

Source?

Well, I guess you've missed the point of my posts too, but I'm not going to repeat myself.

If we don't know our own history, who are we? If we deny our own history, who are we? It's not about hate, except in your vitriolic posts. And keep in mind ... you can attack the post, but not the poster.

Oh I know they exist, but not here.

I expect the message from the UN had some effect. The Attorney General is responsible for International law too. I'm impressed by how Obama has handled this. I don't agree with scapegoating the people on the front line and I see that in his approach, and that gives me hope. Now that it's public, it's up to the Attorney General whether to act, and how can he not with all the attention, especially since the UN was extremely clear. US President Barack Obama's decision not to prosecute CIA agents who used torture tactics is a violation of international law, a UN expert says.

Agreed. There is no debate about the Holocaust.

oh shut up.