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A White House statement supporting the bill, which awaits action in the Senate, echoed the argument by contending that tobacco use "accounts for over a $100 billion annually in financial costs to the economy." However, smokers die some 10 years earlier than nonsmokers, according to the CDC, and those premature deaths provide a savings to Medicare, Social Security, private pensions and other programs. Vanderbilt University economist Kip Viscusi studied the net costs of smoking-related spending and savings and found that for every pack of cigarettes smoked, the country reaps a net cost savings of 32 cents. "It looks unpleasant or ghoulish to look at the cost savings as well as the cost increases and it's not a good thing that smoking kills people," Viscusi said in an interview. "But if you're going to follow this health-cost train all the way, you have to take into account all the effects, not just the ones you like in terms of getting your bill passed." http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-0...cco-costs_N.htm Looks to me like we can stop concerning ourselves with other people's choices, since we're earning money on the deal. The information I want to see is research on smoking natural tobacco vs the toxic commercial stuff.

It was pointed out that one business at Six Nations - Grand River Enterprise - pays $150m in federal tobacco excise taxes. That's double the federal funding that goes to the Six Nations Band Council for all assistance and services. (welfare, education, health, Band Council administration, water, roads, power, etc, etc.) Six Nations people look after themselves and are also net contributers to Canada's coffers. Even if you look through the archives at their historical annual evaluations from the feds ... squeaky clean and competent. (But the feds, on the other hand, 'misplaced' a lot of Six Nations money.) So I don't have a clue what you're on about.

CANADIEN No one here would argue that frugality is poverty. Nice try. WELL SAID. Nice to have the privilege of being able to own property and rent some out and be frugal, and it's laudable too. I know. But I'm retired and I don't even have to wear a Timex. But that's not poverty. What poverty IS in Canada is people with jobs lining at the food bank because minimum wage is too low. It's children coming to school starved. Iit's cockroach infested appartments, that still take 2/3 of a family revenue. Absolutely. The amount people on assistance and at minimum wage receive, is poverty. That's the only point here: It's been corroded, and children are suffering from the ill will directed at their parents. Yes some parents are alcoholics, and they drank the kids dinner. So what now? The assistance levels need a serious one time adjustment. And we need hot food in all schools x3. And 24/7 care for kids in crisis. This is how we stop the cycle, and save $7 for every dollar invested. Then we talk about funding a universal guaranteed annual income. Children should not go hungry. It takes a whole village ... Kanata ... the village. imo

Source?

Source?

Are you a pedophile Argus?

Poverty is what he had before he got a government job!

Well I guess we'll have to wait and see. I hope they nail the lawyers and top command.

Easy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_C...ructural_design Of the 110 stories, eight were set aside for technical services in mechanical floors Level B5/B6 (floors 7/8, 41/42, 75/76, and 108/109), which are four two-floor areas evenly spaced up the building. And I'll bet there are special secure heavy duty service elevators going directly to those floors. Couldn't be easier to access the buildings and place explosives. Also, each of those floors had an 'uninterruptible power source' (UPS).

What do they care? More Americans dead is fine with them. No, I don't think it was a problem for them. It does look incredibly suspicious doesn't it.

Only to arms dealers.

Well, apparently they're going after the lawyers who gave the 'advice' and then I would hope those at the top who gave the orders. Obama repeated that the agents and soldiers would not be prosecuted. They have to follow orders, and they did. No wrongdoing there. The wrongdoing is the ones who gave the orders.

Proof please - other than ...

BRAVO!!!

Waldo, Let's just say I prefer Army Guy's perspective to yours.

Evidence?

Investigate it yourself: There was no place to evacuate to that was safe from Israeli weapons.

And you are suggesting that is discrimination rather than reality? Re Israel, Noam Chomsky says: "Security was always a lower priority than expansion.", referencing a study by Zeev Moaz. And "Israel is deliberately turning itself into perhaps the most hated country in the world..." This is what concerns me: Israel has had a lot of moral and other support in its establishment and development, but it seems to be fast using up that goodwill through its aggressive actions. Does Israel want peace? I don't believe so. Not any more.

Are you saying Canada's UN peacekeepers have done no good?

source? I don't believe that. A policy to clear houses by killing civilians, including children, must come from high levels.

I think you missed the point. It isn't about "soldiers" and "agents", but the higher levels that gave the orders: President Obama said Attorney General Eric Holder is free to probe the White House higher-ups who authorized the tough treatment. And that's exactly as it should be, because those receiving the orders should not be scapegoated, as they often are.

Why don't you, instead, read the two accounts in this thread of men who have worked directly with women in combat roles? This is such an old hypothetical argument to make against women's choices. Why not pay attention to the results on the ground? If physical brawn is all (some) men can come up with to discriminate against women in this way, that's pretty pathetic. It is well known that women have more physical endurance and better ability to survive adverse conditions than men. It's built in because they are genetically engineered to survive to protect their children. Social engineering, my foot! What you are arguing for is that insecure men who are intimidated by women with strong characters should have the right to limit women's career and life choices, and frankly, that's not a choice any man has because it isn't your choice, it is hers. :angry: Go wrestle a dinosaur or something instead!

There's a new study from Germany out today that tested the water in those bottles and found estrogenlike compounds, most likely leaching out from the plastic. These water bottles don't contain the notorious chemical bisphenol A, which is found in hard water bottles, baby bottles, and the plastic coatings of metal cans. (Studies of BPA indicate that high exposures could increase the risk of reproductive health problems and possibly breast, prostate, and ovarian cancers, which is why six leading baby bottle makers last week decided to ban it from their products.) The soft bottles do, though, contain other estrogenlike compounds, still unidentified, that could have the same harmful effects as BPA. The researchers from Goethe University sampled 20 brands of bottled water packaged in plastic and glass bottles and found that 78 percent of the samples packaged in plastic bottles had high amounts of chemicals called "endocrine disrupters," compared with 33 percent of those bottled in glass. I was surprised to learn that even the spring water bottled in glass containers had these chemicals, so I called on an expert to tell me why. "Birth control pills, hormone therapy medications, and a host of contaminants can all get into our water supply, and we haven't figured out a way to affordably filter them out," explains Patricia Hunt, a geneticist and reproductive biologist at Washington State University who is well versed on the new study.

See p 202-203 re 1927 decision in US courts, in favour of Jay Treaty rights of Haudenosaunee people: http://books.google.ca/books?id=7hFh1-xwb5...num=5#PPA203,M1 And Border Control regulations: 1. Proposed Acceptance Of Satisfactory Tribal Enrollment Documents At Traditional Border Crossing Points For Tribes Who Continue Traditional Land Border Crossings. DHS and DOS do not propose to accept any particular tribal enrollment documents as part of this NPRM. DHS and DOS do propose, however, to consider such documents for the final rule as discussed below. Documents that may be found acceptable and so designated in the final rule must establish the identity and citizenship of members of United States tribes. DHS and DOS propose to accept such tribal enrollment documents only if members of the issuing tribe continue to cross the land border of the United States for a historic, religious or other cultural purpose.67 The tribal enrollment card must be satisfactory to CBP, may only be used at that tribe’s traditional border crossing points and will only be accepted so long as that tribe cooperates with the verification and validation of the document. These tribes must also cooperate with CBP on the enhancement of their documents in the future as a condition for the continued acceptance of the document. DHS and DOS invite comments from those United States tribes that enroll members who continue to cross the border for a traditional purpose. Any tribe that wishes to propose its tribal enrollment card as an acceptable alternative document at one or more traditional border crossing points should submit comments supporting acceptance of its tribal enrollment card as an alternative for its members. All such comments should explain fully why the proposed tribal enrollment card should be an acceptable alternative document for its members. Each comment should explain the traditional border crossings of that tribe by: a. specifically identifying the federally recognized tribe; b. indicating the traditional destination or destinations across the border that are visited by members of the tribe; c. explaining in detail the purpose or purposes of all such travel; d. relating all such travel to traditional ethnic, religious, cultural or other activities of the tribe; 67From our consultations with Native American communities, DHS understands that members of a number of federally recognized tribes maintain contact with ethnically related people across our land border. For example, the Kumeyaay of California, Tohono O’odham of Arizona, Kickapoo of Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas, and Haudenosaunee or Six Nations of the New York State area maintain contact with ethnically related people on the other side of border. We also have been told that the three Kickapoo bands in the United States all lay their dead to rest in a traditional cemetery in Mexico. Traditional border crossings may continue for these and similar historic, religious and cultural purposes.

jbg, that's just ridiculous mudslinging.