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Perhaps Mr. Black would like to explain why he had to remove boxes from his (former) office, in violation of a court order, and taunt police while doing so. If not for his act of arrogance, he'd likely be free as a bird. Now he's a jailbird. That was his own choice. When he apologizes sincerely, shows humility and understanding of his crimes, then perhaps we'll reconsider. Till then, rot in hell robber baron!

tff, bill What they do with the land and compensation is their business, but it will be good business for all of us to get it sorted out. There already are university programs on reserves. "Mr. Fusion" says ... melt down your HUMMER!!

Caledonia: Grand River Sachem newspaper Out-of-towners rally against ‘militia’ By Stefanie Wallace, The Sachem News Jun 26, 2009 Over 70 people from Hamilton, Kitchener- Waterloo, Guelph, Toronto, Six Nations and the Haldimand-Norfolk area travelled to Cayuga on June 23 for a rally that started and ended just the way everyone hoped it would: as peacefully as possible. “This is the most organized, prepared rally I’ve ever seen,” one OPP officer joked as the group of protesters handed out bottled water and snacks to one another. The rally, which was initiated by the Canadian Union for Public Employees (CUPE) Local 3903 First Nations Solidarity Working Group, and organized by Tom Keefer, was to protest the formation and the first meeting of what Gary McHale and Doug Fleming originally called the Caledonia Militia. “The only way to get media attention in this country is to use a word like militia,” McHale said, explaining that the group he and Fleming formed will now be known as the Caledonia Peacekeepers. The Caledonia Peacekeepers will protect citizens by using unarmed force to remove trespassers from private property. Fleming said the group was only meant to help the situation, not make it worse. Across the street from the Cayuga Lions Club Hall, protesters flooded the street chanting, “Go away, KKK,” and waving signs and banners that read, “With 6 Nations Against Racism” and “Canadians say NO to Anti-Native Vigilantes.” “The Caledonia Militia, or Peacekeepers, and Gary McHale are strongly supported by openly Neo-Nazi and white supremacist groups,” said Niki Thorne, a protester from Hamilton. “This militia isn’t good for either Caledonia or Six Nations, so we’re calling for the Canadian government to resolve land claims fairly, swiftly and peacefully.” http://www.sachem.ca/news/article/179628 And Mchale hasn't surfaced since he was outnumbered, outclassed and upstaged by the CUPE/Six Nations protesters. The Sachem reporter did a good job. If this was just Caledonia people, it would be a whole different thing. But McHale and the white supremacists and neo-nazis he attracts? Nope. We'll keep protesting that involvement ... peacefully and effectively. understanding-the-colonial-roots-of-anti-native-activism

Yes too funny, Borg. ha.ha (oink) Selective "rule of law" ? how original. You only uphold some parts of the law and not others. Because the rule of law in Canada is consult, and accommodate Aboriginal rights.

They do not want to be chained to Canada. That's why they want their land back - to continue with their original plan at the time of the Haldimand Proclamation - to be independent economically and politically. You are generalizing like Borg without reading the links and without understanding the issues and the thread topic. There's little point in that.

You are making a lot of generalized and stereotyped comments that are irrelevant to the current situation at Six Nations/Caledonia. Please inform yourself about the thread topic, and discuss that.

A group of Caledonia residents attempting to form a militia should be prepared to go to court, Ontario Provincial Police Commissioner Julian Fantino says. "The days of vigilantism are long gone in this country," Commissioner Fantino said yesterday. "That group had better seek good and adequate legal counsel because, if they exercise what they think is their right and their authority, they better be prepared to defend themselves, as we always have, and justify what they do." http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/st...html?id=1731269 Protestors descend upon Cayuga Posted By BOB LIDDYCOAT , CHRONICLE MANAGING EDITOR Posted 2 days ago http://www.dunnvillechronicle.com/ArticleD....aspx?e=1626658 The formation of a militia in Caledonia is being met with opposition from points across Southern Ontario. Last week Caledonia resident Doug Fleming announced he would be forming a citizens' militia to address problems he perceives as being ignored by the Ontario Provincial Police. In a published release Fleming said, "Due to the ongoing reality that the OPP refuses to enforce the Criminal Code with regards to people's property rights I am forming the Caledonia Militia to ensure that the criminal code is upheld in Haldimand County." The action stems from his contention there is a two-tiered justice system in Caledonia which favours Six Nations residents and penalizes property owners in Caledonia by arresting non-native trespassers while ignoring occupations by Six Nations members. At press time a meeting was taking place in the Cayuga Lions Hall for anyone interested in joining Fleming's private group of law enforcers. Scheduled to coincide with the meeting a protest rally was taking place outside the building by non-natives who oppose the idea of a militia. Busloads of protesters arrived from Toronto, Kitchener, Guelph and other areas around 6 p. m. Monday evening. The protest was organized by the Canadian Union of Public Employees 3903, First Nations Solidarity Working Group. Spokesperson Tom Keefer told The Chronicle he believes the idea of a militia is really being coordinated by activist Gary McHale who has often been at the centre of controversy between Caledonia and Six Nations residents. "I believe McHale is the driving force behind the militia. He will be speaking at the meeting and is their self-appointed legal expert," said Keefer. He also doubts McHale's motives saying, "I believe McHale is financially benefiting from this situation and is fanning the flames. If he lets things quiet down then he and his group will be out of business," he said. Keefer said his protest group is composed entirely of non-natives. He claims their efforts are completely peaceful. "We are not strangers to the issue. We have been there practically on a weekly basis over the past three years. We have been working in the area with pot luck dinners, and community meetings but we've never seen fit to add fuel to the fire. We feel McHale is dangerous and disruptive but we've never interrupted his activities before. Flag raising is one thing but the formation of a militia is entirely different," he said. "A call to militia is a dangerous escalation. This time they've gone too far," he contends. I think the 'Caledonia militia' is a non-starter. Gary McHale is trying to foment trouble in Caledonia/Six Nations and in Deseronto/Tyendinaga. Shouting yields to common ground PICTON MEETING: Natives, Deseronto residents Posted By LUKE HENDRY THE INTELLIGENCER Updated 1 hour ago What began as a shouting match led to some meaningful talks here Thursday evening as the area's Mohawk protesters and non-native residents tried to resolve tensions. ... "We would love to hear from the people who came here from Deseronto," Nikki Storms, who has protested with both the Mohawks and TAG, said as she jabbed a finger at McHale. "You can go home." Cindy Welsh addressed the Mohawks, saying they "have a voice" but that "our livelihood's affected too" when blockades are formed. "Do you people even give a damn that we were put out?" Welsh said, provoking a bellow from Tyendinaga's Jerome Barnhart. "We've been put out for 300 years," he shouted. "Are you insane?" The mood calmed as McHale stepped aside, pledging, "We'll be back." Talks progressed even after Welsh began to cancel the "unproductive" meeting. "Is there a way we can work together to get our points across?" asked Andy Leversedge, who had earlier told The Intelligencer he moved his family from their home near the Mohawk-occupied quarry in Deseronto because he felt threatened. "What I'm trying to find out is how everybody can get what they want," he said. http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1630416 It appears that with protesters dogging his footsteps, McHale is not making much progress.

Exactly ... and how many other people draw wrong conclusions from speculation and too little accurate information? That's how stereotypes do damage. From my perspective, their tactics were in proportion to the attacks on them. Powless and Palmer became friends as things progressed. Certainly Palmer never wanted anyone else, not even police, interfering with their arrangement. The militia ... now the "peacekeepers" ... will have to drum up some new business! Vigilantes patrolling the streets is on the menu, I hear, leading me to say ... don't plan on walking around in Caledonia anytime soon. What will it be this time ... driving golf balls at Six Nations people again perhaps? Again, exactly, they need the infrastructure and they have debts owing to them, land and compensation. It's collection time. It's long past time for the government to produce its accounting for Six Nations land and money.

Bill it appears to me that you are caught by the demise of manufacturing in North America, an inevitable phenomenon as developing countries became developed enough to do the work, while their workers are still not unionized and are still willing to work for peanuts. It's a bad time. I get that, and didn't mean to rub salt in the wounds. However, I strongly disagree with Jerry J (thus the sarcasm) that the unions have 'caused' the problem by pricing themselves out of the market. There is just no way we can compete with developing China. It's just an unfortunate reality. In fact, as I wrote that I wasn't even thinking about manufacturing at all (cos I wouldn't rub salt that way intentionally) ... but about this ... our 'new' (developing) economy: Then we have the rise of "professionals", such as computer workers, for example, who consider themselves to be above unions, even though in most categories employers consider them disposable workers to be worked as hard as possible with long periods of unpaid overtime. I know these people ... mostly guys ... they are worked like slaves ... and they're taught they are 'too good' for unions. Keeps them working all that unpaid overtime because they are terrified of "pricing themselves out of the market", which is slave-driver bs propaganda, imo, and they are too terrified to admit they can't do it faster. A door closes ... a window opens ... but it's miles away and of no g'damn use when you're stuck behind the closed door. An industry dies ... another is born ... and while it may help the economic recovery, it doesn't help the people in the plants a darn bit. Consumers are fickle when it comes to saving a buck, and 'buy Canadian' will never be the answer either, imo. You sound like a good boss - biscuits and all. Sorry for your pain.

You can ask personal questions on an anonymous board if you like ... but no one has to answer them. Did you miss the point of my post perhaps?

Here's two clues. See if you can put them together: The latest actions came a day after US President Barack Obama warned the Iranian government that "the world is watching." The statement noted that as many as 20 journalists and bloggers are reported to have been detained since Iran's June 12 elections I guess the world isn't watching so much anymore, eh! Sometimes actually reading the article is informative.

yes, but of what importance is 'symbolic'? Absolutely none. It's only what they give us so we think we have something ... some power ... but we don't. Ya ... but who told us that we didn't want them in power anymore? (hint ... the corporate spinmeisters) Ya ... but who told us that we wanted them in power again? (hint ... the corporate spinmeisters) They spin it, we think we are having "freedom of thought" ... but we are not. Democracy is just a camouflage for the same-old same-old corporate (fascist) rule. At least in Iran it's clear to the people that they have to 'off' him to get rid of him. But we're taught to be too polite for that. (suckers we are!) imo, Dan's reason for his vote is just as good as any of ours, cos it's all smoke and mirrors anyway. The system stays the same regardless. Some politicians are just more arrogant or more deceitful or more folksy or more black or more white or more grey or more francophone ... etc etc ... about how they do it. We're still just a corporation run to the tune of and for the benefit of other corporations.

Ya ... that's just what the bosses want you to think. Good boy! (pat,pat) Now work harder because you are so lucky to be working for me!! No doggie biscuits till we make quota!! And no dropping dead on the job, eh? It doesn't look good, and it slows the pace. And if you can't hack the pace, gedthefugouddahere slacker!! There's a lot more where you came from! :angry: (Geez ... we have no dead smiley! )

I tend to see data about change over time as a reflection of changing times, trends, demographics, and human evolution. One way to look at it is this: Proportionately more women than men are opting for unionized public service, which provides decent pay and relative security that stabilize the family and accommodate their growing families (job flexibility/transfers, maternity leaves, benefits, etc.). Proportionately more men than women are opting for the riskier but potentially more lucrative private sector, because they can afford to take the risks as their family is stabilized by the wife's income and benefits. However, another way might be that it is not a social development at all, but simply a reflection of the huge losses in the largely male and largely unionized manufacturing sector. It's more likely though that it is a combination of all of these things as well as the aging of the work force: The baby-boom bulge is now about 45 years old. This age demographic, for example, accounts for increases in staffing the health sector. The mini-boomers may account for some education increases, but the fact is that more students are staying in school longer, especially attending post-secondary, than in past generations. As the new technologies and other fledgling new industries stabilize, I predict we will see the return of unionization there. I think my main point is this: These are not necessarily linear trends that will continue on their present path. Rather, they are trends that reflect the current demographic and production influences, and will change as these factors change. I'd have to have the raw data itself to analyze these contributing factors. Btw, August: Do you know what the biggest money waster in the public service is? It's politics. Specifically, political regime changes after elections. First, all the logos and letterheads are replaced and the old ones sent ... somewhere, I hope for recycling. We're not allowed to recycle them ourselves - eg, using them for draft printing. All old paper is collected. Do you know how much it costs to replace all the paper in the public sector? Neither do I but it is friggen HUGE! Second, armies of wet-behind-the-ears political party hacks descend upon the public service, given 'special' positions (ie NEW positions, new money) where they strike fear into every level of the bureaucracy, right to the top. Their job is to root out the old regime from among the staff - those who do not conform to the new politics. Third, most or all projects-in-progress are shelved (no matter how many years they were in development or how much money has been spent on them) until they can be 'reviewed and evaluated' in the new political context. Fourth ... After all the party hacks report to the political masters, to whom they have direct access, then the restructuring begins. (hack and slash and promote the brown-nosers, etc.) ka-ching! Then comes visioning and missioning and action planning ... and then all the new policies, retraining, re-supplying ... and throwing out the babies with the bathwater en masse and starting all over again to replace them. How many times have I been through this? Don't even ask ... and that's only one level of government. ... I could go on and on and on ... but I think you get a small glimpse of the picture. In other words, unions do not account for public sector 'bloating' or 'waste': Politics does. There's no secret to why unions are an absolute necessity in the public sector: If we didn't have union protection and 'bumping rights', after every election the entire public service would be replaced by political hacks and cronies. I kid you not.

Powless is not "punishing" Palmer at all. They are both enjoying each other's company and it's nobody's business but theirs. Mired in petty details as you are, you are missing the big picture, but I won't repeat it because it's all there for you to read and digest. Here's some food for thought for you. My research and ruminations and ponderings lead me to these opinions: Doug Fleming is just a front for Gary McHale, who is designing and organizing the whole Caledonia 'militia' thing. Gary McHale has a long history of association with white supremacists: He's a front for them. (Note: Source cannot be revealed.) Caledonia is a chosen battlefield for white supremacists to reign supreme in an Ontario town. Haldimand County Council and the business and community leaders of Caledonia, by choice or by inaction, have virtually turned over the leadership of the town to white supremacists. And it looks like the beginnings of a glimmer of awareness of the fact that they have given away the town is surfacing in the Sachem ... Too late? Just my thoughts. Others may differ. But let me ask you something, Bill: What do you think would be the best possible outcome for everyone - Six Nations and Caledonia - for the future?

Because he's guilty!

Are you too young to be civil? Or too old? Just curious. In my world, your rank in the food chain is about the same as Obama's dead fly!

Keep off our lawn, pair tells fledgling Caledonia 'militia' PETER EDWARDS/TORONTO STAR Ernie Palmer is okay with Stephen Powless running smoke shop on his land. Jun 19, 2009 04:30 AM Comments on this story (4) Peter Edwards Staff Reporter CALEDONIA–Ernie Palmer says he's smoking mad at locals who want to set up a "Caledonia Militia" in part to protect him from natives running a discount smoke shop on his front lawn. "We have the OPP if there is lawlessness," the retiree said yesterday in an interview on his 19-hectare property on Highway 6. However, he doesn't foresee any need for anyone to protect him from Oshweken resident Stephen (Boots) Powless, 44, one of the smoke shack's proprietors. "I have found (Powless) a very nice man," said Palmer, who came to Canada from Hungary in 1957. "We have drunk so much coffee we're swimming. ... I have a good dialogue with Boots." While he didn't invite Powless to set up on his land, Palmer said he respects the attempt to reinforce the assertion that native land claims can't be extinguished. At one point in an interview on Palmer's lawn, Powless joined in and aimed a squirt gun at the property owner as if taking him hostage, which caused Palmer to burst out laughing. http://www.thestar.com/article/653395 And ... "The majority of people in Caledonia don't want this," OPP Inspector Dave McLean told Haldimand County Council Monday that Caledonia was being infected with "fabrications" and it was time people heard the truth. Speaking directly to the issue of a smoke shack/information centre being set up on private land, he said reports of threats and intimidation of the landowner are a "total fabrication, total hogwash." It was all based on a rumour and he said the OPP have an idea where the rumour started. The OPP have spoken directly with the owner of the land and were told that it was "placed on his property with his agreement." The man was aware of what he was doing, he was informed of the possible implications and consequences and "he would like to deal with it himself," McLean said. There were "no threats, no intimidation. Word of threats and intimidation are entirely false," he said. http://www.sachem.ca/news/article/178833 Seems you are behind in the news, bill. Try to keep up, eh? One more ... http://www.sachem.ca/opinions/article/178834 Sachem editorial: "Militia a bad idea" When word came out last week that a meeting was to be held to form something called the Caledonia militia, the first thing that leapt to mind was that this was the last thing anyone needed. Militias, in their contemporary connotation, hold out visions of the people squirreled away in the Montana Mountains who believe in black helicopters, global conspiracies and worse. The second thing was that it really is time for the adults to step forward. Marches, demonstrations and other forms of street theatre have accomplished nothing. Oh ya, and this came through union communications: *please forward widely* A call for a peaceful protest against the formation of an anti-native “militia” in Caledonia – Tuesday, June 23rd at 6pm Outside the Lion’s Club in Cayuga, Ontario. So ... if there's going to be a 'militia', there will also be an anti-militia.

I try not to make offensive remarks to people. Maybe the 'right wing' should try that sometime.

A.) According to the UN Human Rights Council's Special Report on Palestine, Gazans are effectively imprisoned; movement in and out of the Territory is "impossible;" food, water, health care, sewage treatment, sanitation and other essentials "can no longer be taken for granted." http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/2008/080408Lendman.shtml Gaza Under Siege The Gaza Strip has been a virtual prison for Palestinians for over fifty years. http://www.bullfrogfilms.com/catalog/clgaza.html

I don't know if comedy that targets minorities is illegal. However, I do know it is offensive and not very funny. Standup comedy pretty much sucks these days, imo.

You are missing my point: I don't believe the situation of the lesbians and the comic can be taken to the Human Rights Commission as discrimination, because there was no denial of "good, service, facility or accommodation".

I'm referring to settling the 'land claims' issues in the courts. The courts make legal judgments, not "political" ones. However, the government negotiators make political judgments, not legal ones - ie, they do Harper's bidding.

You don't speak for all "non-natives". I'm not justifying anything, just pointing out the facts.

Because that's the law. Denial of good, service, facility or accommodation 5. It is a discriminatory practice in the provision of goods, services, facilities or accommodation customarily available to the general public (a) to deny, or to deny access to, any such good, service, facility or accommodation to any individual, or ( to differentiate adversely in relation to any individual, on a prohibited ground of discrimination. 1976-77, c. 33, s. 5. Prohibited grounds of discrimination 3. (1) For all purposes of this Act, the prohibited grounds of discrimination are race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, family status, disability and conviction for which a pardon has been granted. I have my doubts that the Human Rights Act would apply to this situation, as the women in question were not denied anything. However, they might try to make a case for "hate speech", but I doubt that too.