Moonbox

Farmers around the world have been abusing poor farming practices for years and their crying about fertilizers is based on only wanting to plant the same cash crops over and over rather than rotate their fields properly. I live in an agi community and this isn't near the catastrophe they make it out to be. Canada is actually not even that bad of an offender. The targets are for 2030 and they're still in the consultation phase. I agree here, but their mistakes have mostly been handling the pipeline file and not getting oil to the market. Sure they knew, but there's nothing they can do about it. Raising interest rates doesn't increase chip production in Taiwan, but it might make it harder for US manufacturers to make their own chips to help ease it. There are always winners in even the worst markets. I'm not sure what you think this proves... No, because natural target inflation is between 1.5-3%. Maybe quote the PBO here because I don't really understand what you're talking about. Even the central bank says they didn't act soon enough. Inflation was worse than expected. It happens. They don't always get it right and they never get it perfect. Usually they error on the opposite side, raising rates before they should and shocking the economy into premature and unnecessary recession.

No, that's just something you guys yell about at one another in your reddit chats, because central bankers BAD, conspiracy, WEF, something something. Yellen's is the treasury secretary (the parallel to our Minister of Finance) and is the president's chief advisor on fiscal and economic policy. She is not a monetary policy officer, and if you had any idea what you were talking about then you wouldn't have brought her up.

Yeah and like Harper before him. That's what politicians do and nobody really holds them accountable for that sort of stuff.

I would say that the central bank has very little to do with the amount of food grown in our country. The weather and global commodity prices have much more to do with it. = The stock market didn't know. That's why the S&P 500 and TSX etc plummeted in March 2020 and are heavily down this year. They don't know any better than the central banks do - they generally know less. People have a tendency to just get angry at whoever is currently in charge when things are bad, rather than try to understand what's actually going on. Prices are up everywhere, so yelling at your government about inflation is like screaming into the wind. There are things you can blame our government for (like Canada's piss-poor energy policy since Trudeau took over) or his excessive deficits, but the majority of inflation right now is based on global factors nobody here has any control of. Supply problems aside, we'd probably be looking at 4.5-5% inflation based on COVID spending etc. The rest of it is thanks to Mother Nature, Putin and COVID related supply chain bottlenecks that are still being worked out. There are tools the central banks can employ to soften the blow (and we've seen them doing that), but if they try to counter unrelated/external inflationary pressures with monetary policy, and those pressure resolve on their own, then you've overcorrected and just made things worse down the road.

Trump has a track record of running big deficits during GOOD economic times and it's easy to make the economy look good when you do that. You're just passing the buck down the road because some administration down the road will have to deal with paying back that debt. Did you tick all of your boxes on the BAD THINGS? You forgot to mention the communists and the WEF.

I don't think Justin has any understanding of monetary policy whatsoever, nor does most of his government. Thankfully, guys like Carney, Poloz and Macklem do, and they're the ones making the decisions on these issues. I genuinely don't mean to insult you here, but if you think these are monetary policy issues then you don't know what monetary policy is. Again, not monetary policy. Central banks couldn't anticipate Russia invading Ukraine, or COVID and the supply-chain shortages they delivered. Those impossible-to-predict events are only one side of the challenges they face. Sometimes they CAN see inflationary pressure coming, but can't actually do anything to affect it. Widespread drought for example, have predictable outcomes for food prices, but monetary policy doesn't solve them. It's easy for populists to point at the central banks for a scapegoat though. Most people have literally zero understanding of monetary policy so if you just screech about how bad they are then the ignorant sort of fall in line behind you. DAMN THOSE CENTRAL BANKERS!

Trump doesn't pander to the GOP. He panders to white rich people and white poor people. The former he actually helps, the latter he simply distracts and points angrily towards "big tech" or "hilary clinton" or "china", while making them poorer and dumber as he goes. The GOP panders to him 100%. They're afraid of him because they know he's captured the minds of Joe Plumber and Frank Midwest Farmer, and that standing up to him means these goobers won't vote for them. They'll be happy to see him go away, but in the meantime they have to pretend and keep their heads low. For someone who actually likes Trump, your grasp of what's going on all around him is remarkably poor.

Inflation is a global problem but people everywhere are blaming their specific for governments for it. Trump may end up as president again, but he only pretends to be a good economic steward. It’s easy to look good in the moment when you run huge deficits while everything is already going well as he did, but the problem is that you’re just making everyone more poor down the road.

No. He's said enough stupid shit over the last few years to preclude himself from being described as "bright". You can say whatever you want about him, and he has a manic sort of charisma that even I find appealing at times, but he's not living in a fact-based world. Yes, I know you think that. The GoP isn't even a party anymore. It's a joke. It's a Donald Trump personality cult.

Joe Biden and Hunter Biden are their own can of problems. You don’t see me quoting them here to support my arguments though, do you? Russel Brand can certainly be funny, but he’s a complete tool.

I do follow both left and right, and until Donald Trump subverted the right I would have considered myself firmly conservative and a staunch Trudeau hater. Alex Jones, Donald Trump and the conspiracy parade are not right wing. They’re just a combination of stupid and/or completely and shamelessly amoral.

I don't follow news organizations that sort of dumb shit. That's why I don't follow Fox News, or CNN or a good many others. Even Fox News, however, isn't dumb enough to push the narrative of Sandy Hook being a hoax. That takes a special sort of villain, and an even more "special" intellect to listen to him.

I think I explained my post pretty well. You were complaining about misuse of the terms "mis/disinformation" but then went listing a bunch of silly rightwing bogeyman terms for "lefties". Judging by your rhetoric, your dislike of the terms are very likely due to how inconvenient they are for your viewpoints.

I don't follow washed-out actors with melted brains from years of heroin abuse that can't separate fact from fiction. The number of times Russel Brand has embarrassed himself by repeating some dogshit story he read but never scrutinized is embarrassing - similar to Joe Rogan but at least that guy has the humility to admit when he's been caught saying something stupid.

In the same breath that you criticize use of words mis/disinformation, you're nattering about lefties, big tech and how they shut down anyone who disagrees with them. You're showing a remarkable lack of perspective here. Your oblivious hypocrisy on majestic display. ?

That's not really how credibility works. When you've proven that you're willing do say absolutely anything and tell any lie you think will seem compelling to your drooling idiot fans, your personal credibility goes straight to zero. Alex Jones has absolutely no credibility. That he sometimes talks about stuff that may be real doesn't really change that. China has always been an easy scapegoat seeing as though the virus started there and the commie government's draconian secrecy. There's maybe reason to wonder and investigate this theory, but if Alex Jones turns out to be right it will be because a blindfolded, spinning monkey throwing poop everywhere will eventually hit the target. Don't post Russel Brandt videos here if you want anyone to listen to you. The guy is just another loudmouthed nutter.

That doesn't make any sense. Without government transparency, you have no government accountability and therefore choose just a different brand of tyranny. Freedom of speech isn't some Holy Altar we worship above everything else. There are established limitations to freedom of speech laws everywhere in the world because without them you hinder personal freedom and security in other (innumerable ways). If you really exerted yourself, you might be able to think up a few reasons/ways that upholding absolute freedom of speech would result in fewer liberties, not more.

Like the Illuminati WEF ?

Absolutely, though I'm not sure AJ made $150M from Sandy Hook alone, and especially not from lying about a single family. This was one suit among many, however, so it's possible he could lose much more. We mentioned this earlier, but it's a civil statute that the Courts can decide case-by-case. The fundamental purpose of punitive damages is to deter bad actors and make it difficult to profit from malicious/incompetent/negligent behavior. If the statute holds up in an egregious case like Alex Jones, it's difficult to see a case where it wouldn't hold up. The message the Courts would be sending is that rich people are above the Law, and it could (but probably won't) end up being a Constitutional debate. It will be interesting to see it unfold.

The Law is the Law, and it's based on reason and precedent. You are 100% defending Alex Jones, despite the fact that you're at least smart enough not to defend Sandy Hook hoax stories. He's being punished because he wasn't just voicing an opinion. He made up a malicious lie, shouted it to anyone who'd listen and presented it as fact. The idea that you can just tell everyone afterwards, "That's what I believed" or "That was my opinion" to absolve yourself of responsibility is absurd. The Law agrees with that being absurd because if it didn't, libel and slander laws would be worthless. As for the damages he's been ordered to pay, they're not going to ruin him (yet) because he made a lot of money telling his lies, which is also one of the reasons the numbers are so high. The Law is designed to deter bad actors from repeating harmful behavior. If Alex Jones only had to pay a couple of million, that means he'd have made more money telling the lie than he was penalized for it. That's not deterrence. That's carte-blanche to continue doing what he's doing. Penalties have to hurt or they're pointless.

Did Alex Jones tell you that, or Tucker Carlson?

If you thought so, you wouldn’t be here posting. I don’t join the majority of threads because they’re some combination of boring, played or straight up stupid. The fact that Alex Jones’ doofus supporters are here trying to defend him is why the debate continues. Alex Jones getting his due is a happy time for reasonable folk everywhere. While you at least have the good sense to distance yourself from that twit, it seems like you’re uncomfortable with the fact that one of the conspiracy clown parade’s most outspoken leaders has egg on his face. Hmmmm…

Nope. He has none. That's how credibility works. When you get caught lying over and over, especially with stuff as brazen and stupid as Sandy Hook, you demonstrate your lack of integrity. There's no accountant scoring how many times you tell the truth vs how many times you lie, with 51% truths making you an honest person. Are you the type of guy who'd be happy with a wife/gf who was faithful 90% of the time, or a financial advisor who only lied to you about your money occasionally? Sounds like it... Jones made up the Sandy Hook hoax story. He wasn't misinformed or ignorant on the subject. He just lied about. Once you're caught making shit like this up, everyone knows you're a comfortable liar and everything you say from that point onward is in doubt. Like your girlfriend that only cheats on you a few times per year. Got it.

He didn't f*ck up on Sandy Hook. He completely made up a story he knew would upset the smooth-brains that listen to him. He knew that the more sensational and ridiculous he made the story, the more of his flea-market garbage he could peddle to his flock of angry and uneducated morons. A reasonable human being would have concluded after Sandy Hook that Alex Jones has literally zero credibility. He couldn't even stop perjuring himself during his trial. The only positive he offers anyone is that he's loud and angry, and big noise is far more interesting to his doofus fans than boring stuff like the truth.

Pretty funny when you think about it. He takes advantage of the absolute dumbest members of society, hawking worthless, overpriced garbage to them (not even during commercials - just straight from a lying rant into peddling directly to the camera) and he gets rich doing it. He makes his fans dumber and poorer every time he tunes in, and they love him for it.