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http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080910/116695660.html Russian strategic bombers land in Venezuela 21:58 | 10/ 09/ 2008 re-copied article deleted by moderator

Ah yes, the Large Hardon Collider Did you know that according to modern particle physics there are 16 basic particles? 6 quarks, 6 leptons and 4 bosons... all have been discovered (with 7 predicted before the discovery) except for the Higgs Boson - the particle of gravity (graviton). They're hoping to find it using this new accelerator... Oh, as to the black hole - if it happens it will be extremely small with its life expectancy in microseconds...

I'm with Stevie here, even though I'd never vote for him.. but we need to do it sooner! How about - bring them home before Christmas? And why do some politicians presume they can go on with this mission when less than half of the population supports it?

And only the simple-minded believe anything the official mass media sources tell them.

Posessing or being able to obtain a valid Birth Certificate or Citizenship Card.

AG - you're right, everything I stated are my opinions (educated or not). It is also my strong opinion that we should pull out and stay out because the reason for going in, the scope and the mandate of our troops are all murky at best.

You may or may not believe it but these theories are being aired by CBC - I saw "9/11 - The Third Tower" yesterday. I'm amazed it made it to the "Official" TV... it used to be only on some obscure websites...

Hey - Russia banned the export of Moldovian wine and cognac (divin) as well...

It appears that you're ignoring simple logic - even if ALL of Georgia's population that can fight would be drafted Russia would still crush this army without too much of an effort. Georgian army was assembled, trained and equipped specifically for the purpose of taking the 2 provinces back BY FORCE. Russia is asking EU to introduce an arms embargo for Georgia. No amount of provocations can justify the military onslaught of Georgian army on Tshinval.

Hey jbg, I honestly am proud of America too (not as a citizen but as part of the human race). For a long while, back when I live in USSR it was a clandestine symbol of freedom and progress and all things that are cool, like jeans, rock'n'roll, Coca-Cola and chewing gum. Then - cars, computers, space shuttles... lots of things to be proud of. But believe me that inter-ethnic conflicts are possible everywhere, especially once the central government fails as it did in USSR. Let me give you a scenario: - Imagine the colonists have not exterminated all Indians but instead gave them 2 or 3 states, enforced the federal laws and build infrastructure etc. - At the same time imagine that a few state at the South are Spanish-speaking and one at the North is French, but all of them have English as the state language - Now imagine that because of an crysis of unknown nature (I don't want to give anybody any ideas) the US government fails and most states decide to go independent - The 3 Indian states immediately begin fighting one another and the rest of the neighboring states - The Spanish states unite and start ethnic cleansing to get rid of English-speaking population - The French state gets invaded by neigboring English states to pay back for some last-century conflict - Etc. etc. etc. You get the picture...

I'm not sure if you've ever come across opinions diverging from the official story, Alta, but there are many. Most of them imply the US government organized the attacks to get an excuse to invade countries that have oil or can serve as a conduit for oil.

He-hey, that means I can run for President... errr, Prime Minister too !!!

Do you think they'll ever forget about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Talk about excessive use of force...

The fact of the attack is undeniable. The rest - as to who's done it - a far stretch at best... a treason and mass murder at worst...

Well AG, you should probably know it better than me - please state the official reason that NATO used to attack Afghanistan. I'm sorry to say it but all these infrastructure improvements may go the way of the Soviet-built railroad and tunnel as soon as NATO withdraws. I understand the Good Will part is genuine... But look at a US ally in the region - Pakistan. It's pretty far from a real "Democracy", and it aids Taliban who is the "enemy". I don't think it will last in Afghan... Any Western-style society is artificial there and will collapse as soon as the occupant armies withdraw. "Rigths and freedoms" are worthless if they are brought by an invading force. I never argued the financial side. It is the senseless loss of human lives on both sides...

Did the country of Afghanistan attack citizens of USA? I see... Good luck... and godspeed as well.

Oh was it? Was it a ballistic missle launched from Kabul into New York, traced and photographed along the way? Whatever reasons were used by NATO to go into Afghanistan are just as solid as WMD in Iraq.

Well the country is OURS now as well... once more immigrants get into politics I'm sure the Monarchy and the associated Governors will be questioned.

Oh, please... I said whatever I had to say, and so did hundreds of thousands of fellow immigrants. That doesn't mean that I can't question the purpose or the value of the Constitutional Monarchy. I'm sure I'm not the only one whom this oath struck as absurd and archaic...

Angus, I'm a Canadian, not a Russian. In the other thread I took a hardline pro-Russian stance only because of how unilateral Western media was presenting the conflict. As to the weakening of the NATO - I do believe European Countries can get a EU military alliance that would better defend their interests instead of subserving USA's. I also believe Canada's and Mexico's places are with US. But that doesn't mean that we should agree to any military action no matter how poor the justification.

Now this version I agree with the most. We went in as part of NATO, but the NATO cause was false and therefore we should be free of further obligation. If memory serves me right the cause was to defeat Taliban who was ALLEGEDLY protecting Osama bin Laden who was ALLEGEDLY responsible for the 9/11 attacks. This is when Washington's strategists came up with the brilliant idea of punishing countries that protect terrorists by attacking them. Now this "Osama" figure appears to be a relative of Santa Claus - everybody knows about him but nobody has ever seen him... Hardly a worthy cause for our soldiers to die in a foreign country while killing local population. US can continue their "War on Truth" until their voters smarten up... But we have to have our chance to vote against this senseless struggle... I have said it before and I'll say it again: there's nothing to be found in Afghanistan but pain, suffering and death for all who go there... just check the country's history... no railroads... barely any roads... they are as far from "Democracy" or even from any form of western civilization as can possibly be... and they will fight any attempts to bring "Civilization" and "Democracy" to them by force to the death... kids at 7 handle AKs professionally... AKs are on their national rug ornaments... you get the picture.

Yes, I want Canada to "BRING TROOPS BACK NOW!" I am ashamed that we allowed ourselves to become involved in USA's "War on Reason". We're chasing a gost of Bush's past... The other NATO countries have and will decide for themselves (once they get some brains or balls or both).

I definitely agree with that part. Was it really? Since when NATO took on the task of "Stabilizing" defunct countries? And if that would be true, how come we're not "Stablizing" Somalia? It needs that sorely... Last time I looked at the results of NATO's interventions in the world "De-stabilizing" would describe the results much more accurately...

This is too basic to be democratic... it's like calling lynching a trial...

By invading and occupating and killing the citizens of sovereign countries? What exactly was the mandate of our troops and what NATO obligations do we have to fulfill?