kengs333

One of my first posts here, I believe, I accused someone who specifically stated that they were here to cause trouble as being a troll, and I was warned that it was a personal attack... Am I to suppose that this has now changed? This is about the fourth or fifth time that I've seen Posit make such an accusation in the last last few days.

"raz396", you're not fooling anyone. You join within hours of another member being banned, and you pick up right where they left off, right down to the accusations of "racism" and "white supremacism".

I really don't concern myself with McHale, and if he is the "racist agitator" that you claim to be, then well it says something about the nature of the whole stand-off; given that anyone who seems to opposes Six Nations is automatically branded a "racist" and/or "white supremacist" etc. moderate and simply patriotic citizens are naturally going to shy away from taking a stand on the issue. When I went through school the whole purpose of educating people about racial equality was supposed to result in a society where people are treated equally regardless of skin colour; it was not supposed to--at least I thought it wasn't--create a society where simply the dynamic has changed. But I suppose Indians like you just regard this attempt at creating an equal society just another one of those "white man's" ploys to maintain their "supremacy", right? Yeah, I've seen what you're friends think about racial equality on other boards. What you guys really want is to destroy Canada one settlement, reperation payment at a time using Canada's legal system against its own country. Before anyone answers any of your questions, maybe you should come clean about who or what you are: are you in fact "timmer"? Whether you are or not, one thing is for sure; you have already clearly demonstrated what kind of a character you are, and if you are in any way the norm among the "warriors" of reclamation, its all the more reason that this whole process needs to be opposed. I'm willing to listen to reasoned arguments on this subject, but to have the issue constantly inflamed by thugs and goons like "timmer" and to allow people like him to dictate its course is simply unacceptable.

This kind of cynicism, complete misrepresentation of the Christian faith of course would not be tolerated in any other manner... It's just so impossible nowadays to understand that what these people were trying to accomplish was something that they rightfully felt was the just and proper thing to do? The fact that someone can assert that people who wanted to teach people about Christ were bent on "killing" them is so utterly preposterous and simpleminded. In watching "Reservation Soldiers" today it was interesting to see that the one kid used to have a father who was a violent alcoholic; this man became a Christian years ago, and has completely turned his life around and his son now looks up to him as the father figure he should always have been. One can only wonder what governs you if you make such hostile remarks, if you wish to discourage people from saving themselves and becoming a good and moral person.

I already had a bad enough impression of "timmer"'s character based on his posts on the reclaimation message board, but he's really more of douche by the sounds of it. Pretty sad that he has to make two comment's about McHale's weight; why doesn't he turn the camera on himself so we can see how close to perfection he himself is?

Ask any person who works in the field of domestic violence and they'll tell you that wife assault rates by Native men is considerably higher than the national average. Also, pretty much every written account of the Iroquoian Indians describes the treatment of women as, well, fairly disrespectful in relation to contemporary European standards--which says much. Women were expected to do all of the menial labour, working in the fields, etc. while the privileged male warriors were always lazing around when not hunting or on the warpath.

Nope. Even pro-Indian sources claim that at most 200,000 children passed through residential schools, which means that according to your 1% hypothesis at most only 2,000 ever died. Like I said, this is unfortunate, but not genocide. I think the problem is that when people like you start playing politics with the issue and make such ridiculous claims and use spurious statistics, you force most people into a position where they can't agree because it would mean accepting your lies as the truth. Incidently, if you're so concerned about "genocide" then I suppose you should be reminded that it is also a human rights violation to deny children a proper education. In Canada we have a high standard of living because we have universal education; because in the western world we have had this for several generations now, we have managed to solve a number of medical problems which have had a direct positive benefit for Indians in this country. Also, the other day I watched a program on TV about a child genius from India who at the age of 12 or so is attending university and is becoming a leading expert in finding a cure for cancer. This kid comes from an impoverished, rural family, yet had the intelligence to learn English at a very young age, and to not associate a "colour" with knowledge. So rather than dismissing education as "Eurocentric" "white mans" "brainwashing" this kid has clear goals about what he wants to do with his life, and he will no doubt one day do much to make life a little better for people throughout the world.

In all fairness I think that there should be a "Truth And Reconciliation" commission for Indian barbarity on this continent, as well. If not, then any one-side politically correct commission such as the one you mention has no reason to use the word "Truth". The fact that residential schools, other government initiatives clearly help Indians adapt to a modern world, eliminated certain brutal cultural practices, etc. no doubt will not be addressed.

Nice selective manipulation of the statistics; as unfortnate as this aspect of Canadian history is, I think what is more sick is the way that you're warping the statistics to suit your disingenuous agenda. First of all, it's "up to" 8000/100000 at some residential schools, so what was the rate per school. Was it closer to 500-2000/100000 at most schools? Probably. It may even have been lower in some cases. Second of all, the "up to" 8000/100000 occured during the 1930s and 1940s, and declined dramatically by the 1960s once the disease could be treated better. The thing is, depending on who you want to believe, there between 100000 to 200000 residential school students throughout the entire time the residential schools existed. So how many children were attending residential schools during the 1930s and 1940s? Well, the total Indian population was about 130000 during this time, so what are we looking at, 20% maybe? So during the 1930s, 26000 children attended residential schools, and if the average was 2000/10000 (although it was probably lower) that means about 525 children died during the 1930s, a similar number in the 1940s, and then it began to decline. In the end, sadn and unfortunate; but not genocide by any stretch of the imagination.

Well, supposedly all of the evidence has been copied, and made public, but strangely no one wants to state where these publically available copies can be consulted.

Hold on a sec... I thought that copies of the incriminating documents were made, and have been released to the public by the former Rev. Annett. If this is the case, then why can't you tell us where we can see these documents?

Not by breaking the law they don't.

How often did the OPP ask the Six Nations "protesters" to leave? This "violence" that they "resorted to" is standard practice in dealing with such situations and was no different than what would happen to any group of people defying the law in a similar manner. If anything, the OPP acted with undue patients becuase the inevitable rhetoric or potential tragedy that would result given the past history of Indian protesters is unwanted. But I guess it really doesn't matter how the situation is handled, because it will just be spun as it has been; Six Nations by that point was just looking for excuses to do what it intended to do anyway. You're not fooling anyone.

Looks pretty surrendered to me: http://canadiana.org/ECO/PageView/91942/00...05c8075252e93dd

Incidently, raz395, I find the timing of your arrive and your topics of interest a very interesting coincidence.

Sorry, but the OPP has the legal authority to act in the best interest of the people of Ontario in general and maintain the peace; since Six Nations was breaking the law, whatever the OPP did to remidy the situation is perfectly just. It's the height of stupidity to argue that criminals have the right to engage in further criminal acts in reaction to the legally recognized police force of this province upholding the law because they (the criminals) feel that they shouldn't be held accountable for engaging in criminal activity. As for this tripe about "brutal" behaviour, well, of course you're going to twist the situation into it being a matter of "police brutality". By calling it such, you basically undermine what little moral high ground you guys had; the proper way would have been to comply peacefully and use the fact that you were removed from the land against your wishes as part of your PR campaign. But not many people are stupid enough to buy the lame argument of "police brutality" so I guess you lose. Now its just another one of those irrational delusions eminating from Six Nations.

Well, the Anglican church is really just an anglicized Catholic church, so I'm not all that concerned, although just about every Anglican that I've interacted with has been a decent and sincere person and it's unfortunate that they have had to go through what they have recently; and my worldly side has always been impressed by the architecture of old Anglican churches and it is a shame that the decline could result in the loss of these buildings. On the other hand, when a denomination becomes too formalized and dependent on maintaining a such large structures, it's inevitable that they become more concerned with worldly matters and therefore become easier targets for people who want to do them harm.

You'll have to be a little more specific, but whatever the case I think we have to learn to differentiate "Christians" who are "Christians" in "name only" and those who are truly Christian and follow the teachings of Christ. The evolution of "Christianity" into a formalized, heirarchical system in which "temples" and rituals became increasingly more dominant over the true teachings of Christ is indeed sad; and many things were done in the name of Christianity, Jesus, God, etc. that has made Jesus look bad, and fuels the animosity and malice of the God-haters and anti-Christians in this world. But the Word remains unchanged, and anyone can still read for themselves what true Christianity is all about, as I do. I belong to a denomination that was born out of a recognition of the inherant falsity of "state" churches such as Catholicism, Lutheranism, etc. and we were persecuted from the beginning by fellow "Christians," then Jews, Communists, Nazis; and now in North America you can add Atheists, Pagans, the GLBT "community," Secular Humanists, Radical Feminists, Idiots, Liberals, Indians, and a whole host of others. Oh well, that's just the way it is. I'm sure if Jews were in the majority, the flak coming from them would be constant, just as it is from the current selection of predominant ideologies; it has little to do with who they are, it's always comes down to the mentality of people in the dominant position; although with Jews there is always the underlying issue with who Jesus was and why they refuse(d) to recognize this fact. True Christians are always in the minority and therefore are ALWAYS in a state of being persecuted.

Give me a break. He's not qualified to fly a paper airplane. Do you really believe anything about his supposed military service?

I'm not quite sure what you mean, but it's a historical fact that the reaction to the emergence of Christianity was widespread persecution. We of course don't have the numbers, but a considerable number appear to have been put to death.

By who, their parents and religious leaders who probably taught them to think that way in the first place? Jews have always been hostile to Christianity. This is nothing new, and far worse has been been done in the past. In North America, though, Jews have always been in the minority, and therefore we only see from the perspective of their being discriminated against.

Actually, it's just as relevant now as it always has been.

So you're a members of the same synagogue, are you? What happened to maintaining your anonymity on the Internet?

Special Operation units tend to be instructed by former members, and very, very few members are Indians; and if they are, they're more than likely not "fullblooded". I'm really doubting that many members of Six Nations "warrior caste are former members of the Canadian Forces, and personally I'm not all that concerned about any military training they may have if they were. Still, if it ever came down to an armed uprising, I'm sure that all of these former members would be identified and specifically targetted. Anything that would happen at Six Nations would not be dealt with like Ipperwash. Either JTF2 or CSOR would be sent in first and before the "warriors" even know what's going on, the ability to defend would largely be neutralized. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if members of Canada's special operations units haven't already been familiarizing themselves with the reserve.

There will never be a "peaceful resolution" because of the militant stance that Six Nations has taken. Caledonia, like most other parts of Canada, had changed in the last 40 or 50 years. Whatever old animosities there were had erroded because new generations are taking over, generations that were educated and raised in a society that was much more sympathetic and understanding about Indians issues. Moreover, many people were moving into the community from places like Hamilton, and most I would think were not privy to the old issues in the community. Yet suddenly two years ago Six Nations decides to militantly force the government to the table about issues dating back 150 years, and the way they decided to do so was to make life difficult for people in Caledonia. They set up barricades, trespass on private property, assault people, threaten assault, burn tires in the streets, dig up roads (public property), and in general antagonize and harass people from Caledonia with racist and other insulting language; when this finally frustrates enough people in the community, and they decide to make their own feelings heard, they are shouted down as "racists," told to "go back to Europe". The Canadian flag is desicrated, signs pop up with language like "KKKanada," and often referring to "genocide". So basically the Indians have pretty much negated any progress that has been made in the last 40 or 50 years, and I don't see much of a chance for things going up hill from here.