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Some data from Canada: Nevertheless, the most dramatic differences between the two groups arise when examining the occupations in which they were employed. Fully 90% of the Canadian born who studied medicine are working as physicians. In contrast only 55% of the internationally educated work as doctors; furthermore, 33% are employed in occupations that are completely unrelated to either medicine or health care in general (Chart 1). Birthplace has most significant effect on chances of working as a doctor in Canada As this brief profile clearly shows, internationally educated physicians constitute a highly heterogeneous group of individuals with widely varying characteristics. These characteristics can have a significant effect on the likelihood that a person will or will not find herself employed in her chosen profession. Age is generally associated with higher status occupations because older workers usually have more labour market experience and this may increase the likelihood of working in one's chosen profession; on the other hand, age discrimination against older workers also may produce negative effects. Place of residence captures the effects of regional and local labour markets; large cities (CMAs) have more extensive knowledge based economies than smaller towns, and probably better employment opportunities. Language spoken at home is a proxy for fluency in Canada's official languages, since the ability to effectively use English or French not only enlarges employment opportunities but also is a requirement for medical re-certification in Canada. Among those who immigrated as adults, one would expect that period of arrival and place of birth would be most important in determining whether or not they succeed in finding work as physicians. The reasons for this are easy to understand: Internationally educated doctors born in countries where English or French are spoken or taught intensively (for example, the US, the UK, North and West European countries) should have greater familiarity with Canada's official languages. Similarly, doctors recently arrived in Canada may not yet be eligible to work as physicians because it takes time to complete exams and undertake any new training required for re-accreditation. Finally, the 1990s presented a less favorable labour market to all immigrants than earlier decades, and this may have affected the match between credentials and occupation. Indeed, a multivariate regression shows that these personal characteristics are significantly associated with the likelihood that a foreign trained person who studied medicine would actually practice medicine (see "What you should know about this study" for a more complete description of the technique). When all other variables in the model are controlled for, it is clear that those born in some regions have a better chance of finding employment as a physician. A physician born in Canada, and assumed to have trained in a Canadian institution, would have a 92% predicted probability of working as a doctor. Taking all other variables into account, their internationally educated counterparts born in Africa or South Asia would also have very good chances, estimated at 85% and 87% respectively. In contrast, a foreign trained physician born in other regions of Asia or in Eastern Europe had the lowest hypothetical chances (less than 66 out of 100) of being employed in their chosen profession (Table 1). Interesting analysis. Employability depends on fluency in English or French. Nothing earth shattering there. However, it is not clear how the situation became that way since language is part of the points system for immigration. Recency of immigration and language are the issues, and apparently those who employ doctors do not provide language training. They would rather cry about a shortage.

Moxie that's ridiculous. Who is shoving whom where? It's a live and let live situation. Why the dramatics about other people's choices? Do they criticize yours? Really! Some people choose traditional relationships, and women don't work outside the family/community, etc. in many cultures, including Ward and June Cleaver.

I sure hope not!

I notice no one answered this question. We have had this raised on this board before, and they have no response to the issue of inheritable property rights. No one can explain why this should not apply to FN. However, this is the crux of the issue. Good post!

Oh bs, md. I can show you a bar in every town filled with inebriates of ruddy complexions who certainly are not recent immigrants and they certainly do not contribute much to our economy. I will believe you are sincere about your economic concerns, rather than just racist when you decide to deport them too.

I don't think anyone needs to be told not to vote Tory ... Tory has made such an idiot of himself it is self-evident that he does not have the qualities to govern. I was thinking of Green, but my daughter tells me they are too capitalist and conservative so now I am not sure.

The Citizen's Assembly was working for at least a year, and there were news releases. However, I guess no one understood what it was really about. Regardless of the other issues raised here, the real purpose of MMP is to ensure that the number of seats for each party reflects the popular vote, as well as the constituencies won the old way. This prevents a minority from gaining absolute power to pass anything they like in the legislature, like the Mike Harris government. I followed it because I am in favour of proportional representation and opposed to majority governments that are chosen by only a minority of the people. The current FPTP system is vulnerable to corruption, the way we see it happening: Every candidate tries to nail down just the number of votes needed to win, and caters to those constituents. Thus the majority are left out of the process entirely, their votes are worthless. The percentage of people voting is steadily decreasing because people see the system as one they cannot influence. I think that MMP will be a breath of fresh air and will keep our politicians on their toes.

You are right that it is illegal if it is exclusionary. However, it is unlikely that anyone cares too much. I think it must be lovely for them, living in their own community with church a walk away. Very much like the Christian community I grew up in. In that community, when people got together, the women and the men visited separately. I fail to see any 'threat' from this community.

I fail to see how qualifying to do something they will never do in practice makes any difference. Who wants to be treated by someone who doesn't want to be doing it? I don't see this as a huge issue. Seems to me it is something that can be resolved and should be so it doesn't become another political football.

Making statements like this with no evidence to back up the assertions is hateful. Greg, I think what people are saying in response to this topic is that posts like scott's poison a board. People don't want to be associated with those views. In my opinion it is my responsibility to label such posts as undesirable. There are boards for posts like his. It comes down to whether the rules for this "mapleleaf" are consistent with majority Canadian values where denigration of a group of people is unacceptable. I know I am looking for some clarification of that.

I can't help but notice that your arguments bear a striking resemblance to people in Caledonia who say everything would be fine if the 'terrorists' would just go away. However, there are still the situations that caused the original division, so it is not a solution really. What about solutions to what is seen as the 'occupation' in Gaza?

AHA! Breathe a word about the Olympics and China responds. Good to know. Glad to hear it. Not glad to hear about the continued crackdown, though. Buddhist Monks. The film of that ... in our time ... right now. We'll watch the movie and go 'How could that happen' but it still is ... right now. kinda makes ya feel helpless eh

UN Urges Myanmar to Start Democracy Push By EDITH M. LEDERER – 1 hour ago UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The chief U.N. envoy to Myanmar urged the country's military rulers on Friday to strive toward democracy and quickly start talks with detained opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi. The U.S. warned it will press for sanctions if the junta does not act. "This is an hour of historic opportunity for Myanmar," Ibrahim Gambari told the U.N. Security Council following his four-day trip to the country after the government's crackdown on peaceful demonstrators and Buddhist monks. "To delay the prospect of a peaceful, prosperous and democratic Myanmar is to deny it to those who deserve it most, the people of Myanmar." A dozen red-robed monks from Myanmar who now live in the United States sat in the front row of the visitors gallery listening intently. Gambari said he is "cautiously encouraged" that the country's military ruler, Senior Gen. Than Shwe, said he would meet Suu Kyi "although with certain conditions." They include her giving up calls for confronting the government and for imposing sanctions against it, Myanmar state media said. Gambari stressed, however, that U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has called for talks without any preconditions to overcome "the high level of mistrust" between Than Shwe and Suu Kyi. "From my own conversations (with Suu Kyi), she appears to be very anxious to have a proper dialogue," Gambari told reporters afterward. ... http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gpi9eSF...I94EmgD8S3G28G0

I beg your pardon. I have no problem with funding faith-based schools, so long as the religion stays in those schools. People who send their kids to public schools in Canada do so because of the absence of religious doctrine and discrimination. Public and "pagan" and happy thanks.

By "our" I meant both Indigenous and all Canadians, and I gave examples of each. No "duplicity" intended. Why would I bother?

I agree about voting 'for' something. I don't see the Green Party as ideologically based, though. I think they are very practical about addressing the environmental issues we must address right now, but Elizabeth May is no socialist: She'll be addressing them in the context of capitalism. I hope perhaps some corporate controls, but that will happen naturally through shifting taxes perhaps. I am undecided, though. But looking at the numbers ... 64 L seats ... maybe some libs will think it's a safe time to shift to send a message. Judging by the number of Native blockades over environmental threats to traditional land, the Libs are taking a financial ride on logging, mining and development just a step ahead of the courts while they can, and they barely whisper the word 'environment'. Hey KENGS ... tell me more about health care ... do you mean coverage for naturopathic?

So sorry, msj, it wasn't you of course. Thanks for the good info. It was MOXIE ... and this message is for you, Moxie: Single mothers with pre-school children did constitute about 80% of the welfare rolls last data I saw, and they also had the most consistent turnover rates of 2-3 years. They do get childcare for going to school and most do, and then get jobs. This is the majority. Not saying there are no abusers of the system, but please don't paint all with the same low level brush.

Well my apologies for the genocide. Will you explain? The primary purpose of the residential schools was to deculture the children by terrorizing them into submission to Christianity: On pain of severe punishment they must not speak their language, sing their songs, pray their prayers. Many of those who did not submit or 'slipped up' simply disappeared. Those who did not 'comply' were used as labour instead of attending classes. Sexual abuse was a form of torture and terrorizing, enslavement. It is unfortunate that the federal policies allowed for very high death rates in the schools, 30-70%, averaging 50% or higher for several decades. Canada did not have a law against genocide until 2000, 4 years after the last school closed. There is a 2hr excellent documentary on this topic. Let me know if you are interested and I'll find the link.

Harper will put things in the throne speech to force an election, but he never would be able to get those things through parliament anyway without collaboration and support. Before or after an election makes no difference, so why bother with the expense of an election nobody wants? Harper should give the opposition parties a chance to respond and collaborate, because that is what will eventually have to happen anyway.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/10/05/owner...ref=mpstoryview Man kills self in front of City Council after zoning decision * Story Highlights * NEW: Barber shop popular with 101st Airborne soldiers * Barber shop owner wanted his home rezoned as commercial * Before shooting self, man said: "Y'all have put me under. ... I'm out of here" * Audience of about 50 ushered into hallway, where several people were sobbing CLARKSVILLE, Tennessee (AP) -- A business owner shot and killed himself during a City Council meeting Thursday night after members voted against his request to rezone his property, witnesses said. art.piper.ap.jpg Mayor Johnny Piper, third from left, talks with City Council members and others outside City Hall Ronald "Bo" Ward, owner of Bo's Barber Shop, had told the council his business would go under if he couldn't get his home rezoned as commercial. After the 5-7 vote Thursday night, Ward stood and walked toward the council. "Y'all have put me under. ... I'm out of here," he said before shooting himself in the head with a small handgun. ............................................ It struck me that his behaviour was not so different than many people who seem desperate, seem to believe everything is a tragedy waiting to happen to them personally. It is such a shame that someone allows himself to become so bent out of shape and unstable over such an issue. Should they have rezoned for him to prevent this personal tragedy?

They already do operate privately. That is the point.

No you listen to what she is saying, because NOWHERE does she exaggerate to the point of saying "You will have nothing but extremists in parliament." That is ridiculous and typical of your irrational extremism, md.

I am no expert on the situation, rue, but I know there is another perspective and I think you are being harsh on buffycat. Children are everyone's concern, everywhere. It is no different than describing the plight of children in Iraq or Darfur. It should always be the first consideration.

I agree ... a good pressure point ... the Olympics, already called the genocide Olympics because of Chinese oil interests in Darfur. Tibet also is an ongoing concern.

Not them, but us: To recognize hatred without reason and know where it can lead if allowed to flourish as 'free speech' or as government policy.