Peter F

Yup. As I have said before immigration isn't about the immigrants its about their offspring. No matter their religion or nation of origin, merely being raised here they will be fine upstanding law -abiding, tax-paying Canadians. At the end of the day thats all that matters. Banning religious symbols or dictating how they should dress or what to wear while swimming or deliberately inhibiting religious beliefs will only ostracize and alienate, leaving them so isolated that they will seek each other out. And folks wonder why some want to fly off and join ISIS. Example is what counts not in-your-face-fingerwagging and elitist lectures about why the lecturer is far superior to the audience.

What if there is a teacher teaching such ridiculous ideas in a classroom? Shall ridicule still be the answer?

So if these barbarians are not stoning anyone we need to protest that they are thinking that stoning is proper. Should they protest that they realize stoning is unacceptable in Canada we should really get in their face.

Maybe they did since the man trading for her was arrested by authorities and the father losing his parental rights. Then again, maybe nothing changed and trading children off was always looked down upon.

Is there some reference for that?

Having just finished Tuchmans 'Stilwell and the American Experience in China" I agree. The west has been pursuing trade with the vast markets of China since ... well, forever.

Nope. As a progressive I see no need to harass law abiding citizens be they muslim, homophobic, anti-semitic mysogynists or even poor. You don't even need to respect them, Argus. In fact you can wag your finger at them or anyone else for whatever reasons please you. As can they at you. My wagging of my finger at you is because you wish to restrict immigration from muslim countries for the sole reason you don't like their beliefs. Even if they wanted to get out of such an oppressive culture you would refuse them. Even women seeking freedom a male dominated bullshit system - even then you would say they are from a muslim country therefore we will not take them in. I think your ideal is bigotry.

Freedom of Religion, Belief and Thought. Therefor, as one of the progressives that worry you, I believe if they are adhering to the laws of the land then we need not seek means to harass-punish-spy-belittle-cajole-hound those who are keeping the peace. That such peaceful law abiding citizenry can be poor, mysogynist, sex seeking muslims if they so desire. Maybe from Pakistan too.

Pretty much considering his daft argument. Lets see now, how does it go? Muslims - specifically Canadian muslims since that is who he is warning us about - Don't meet Canadian values because they hang about in bars chasing women to have sex, but will not marry such women unless that woman meets certain criteria. They also get angry and super jealous! Plus they only treat women as whores. As opposed to who - Why Canadians - who are well known to not do such things. And also immigrants from Argus's preferred white European countries who do not behave like that at all. Give me a break.

Thats interesting...Muslim men in bars.

Yes, I remember that too. I think the problem there is that they were trying to keep a peace that one side, if not both, did not want kept. They stayed far too long.

A good point. I do believe the liberals are trying to resurrect peace-keeping a la Pierson for some re-branding. The interventionist peace-keeping brand hasn't worked out all that well.

Of course. which explains why the Minister is traipsing around seeing if there is something somewhere Canada can do. So whats the problem again?

Most muslims in Canada do not hate jews. Nor do they treat non-muslim women as whores. You're pulling a whole lot of crap out of the middle-east and slapping it on people who do not deserve it in the name of your Group bullshit.

Ok, so whats Gurney's complaint then? That the UN's peace keeping/making missions are useless, yet Canada's peace keeping/making efforts will not be as long as we do not operate under the flag of the UN. Then, it seems, all will be well. Gurney criticizes the government for looking for a UN peace mission. But also says Canada will do just fine in a peace mission. So what exactly is the criticism about?

To hell with Canadian values. The question is: Are they committing crimes? Most muslims are not. As you said earlier The norm is law abiding muslims going about thier business.

Citizenship re-instated (rightly so I might add) and therefore other muslims in Canada are... what?

Yes, I remember the General and I remember him being aware of the impending genocide and wishing to take steps to stop it. I remember him being refused permission to do so by UN bosses in NY. I also remember him busting his ass to assist where-ever he could but being pretty ineffective once the killing started. I remember the General trying to maintain the peace agreement between Rwanda (then in the chaos of the genocide) and the rebel forces outside Rwanda. I remember the rebel forces telling him that the genocide then being perpetrated had negated the peace agreement and to get his peace-keepers the hell out of the way because they (the rebels) were coming in to put an end to the genocide. They in fact did come in and took over and the genocide ended. Up until the slaughter began, there was peace agreement functioning and a purpose to the UN mission under General Dallaire which was successfully being carried out. Once the rebels decided that the peace could no longer be kept the purpose of the UN peace-keeping mission ended. I think you and Mr. Gurney have a very distorted view of what Peace-keeping missions are.

So Muslims in Canada right now, don't actually have ak-47's and machete's in their basements ready to go?

So you see Muslim's in Canada today as waiting patiently for the Day?

Yet, Gurney also says: Is that not why the Minister is traipsing around assessing things?

Let me tell you the story of how I got a passport! Yes, a Canadian passport. A company in Montreal calls me at home in Quebec city "You working?" "Well, sort of. Washing dishes for minimum wage", I answer. "We need you on a ship thats sailing in three days, can you get here tomorrow?" "Sure thing" Off I go to Montreal, the sudden departure putting my marriage under extreme stress to say the least. The next day at the office it suddenly occurs to the boss that Jeez I hope he's got a passport..."You have a passport?" "No no I don't. Just the sailors book" "Allright. Get down to our lawyers right away and have them fill out this form" He pulls a single sheet document out of the filing cabinet and hands it to me. "Get going" Off I go to the lawyers on St.John street . Of course there is no St.John street in Montreal. After some confusion he straightens that out on the phone "Oh, it is St.Jacques, but we Anglo's call it St.John street. Not helpful, I know. Anyways Hurry UP" Finally I arrive before the retained lawyer and tell him the company wants him to give me a passport. "Why would I give you a passport? I don't even know you?" "I know, so they gave me this document to fill out" He peruses the document..."Whats this?" "It says that yes you do not know me but you have seen my ID and you believe that I am Canadian and I am who I say I am" He studies the document some more... "Well, alright then" and signs and then I rush off to the passport office where I produce the lawyer signed document and am handed a passport. Marvellous system. They think of everything.

all's I need to show was a couple of hydro bills and the mortgage papers, but it was long ago when I acquired them. Y'see how easy it is for us sino-fifth columnists to infiltrate you country?