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"dick things up domestically " care to elaborate? and yes that was exactly my point the US takes orders from nobody

well actually BC i dont vote b/c I am not 18. the public should always openly criticize their actions if they feel it neccessary to do so, it's their right. alot of the problems i have with the policies are decades old, does that mean they should never be revised??? If I make a decision I can never question it after the fact?

no i mean in the context of a national emergency which was passed in feb 08, perhaps you "Neither the Canadian government nor the Canadian Forces announced the new agreement, which was signed Feb. 14 in Texas. " and the US soldiers will follow US orders in Canada, and i just outlined my many concerns over the US legislation regarding "national emergencies" and wondering why the US would take orders from Canada if we ever wanted them to leave after(or disputed when the emergency was over), i don't want to be annexed for manifest destiny even if it is only an off-shoot

not only is tinfoil great for storing and cooking food in it's a great insulator from all the conspiracy rays so far if tin foiled my: deck car dog cottage every room except where i have my radio my other car(except windshield, i bought 5'' thick glass so i hope it block them rays) my neighbours house (snuck in and they didnt notice yet, but they'll surely thank me) i even tinfoiled my cell phone so i wouldnt get cancer but now it doesn't work for some reason and ive taped tinfoil to the inside of 100 newspaper hats i made they look GREAT! im making a killing so far, i sell them on the side of the road every day, i cant even imagine how many lives ive saved!! AND FOR A DELICOUS DESERT mix 1 cup of powdered alluminum to anything and it will transform into a yummy choclate banana split sunday (THE RUMORS ARE TRUE!!!BRITISH GRADE TINFOIL TASTES MUCH MUCH SWEETER!!!!!)

well I don't see any on the main page going back a month... but i sincerely apologize I cannot search the entire website for past references of the topic So if anyone opposes the policies of their gov't they should only speak up about it in limited window of time before and after the legislation? And afterwards forget it ever happened? Even if the issue clearly still exists? mainly that a "national emergency" is undefined.....and during a national emergency martial law will be declared....and the gov't has the right to seize property, citizens, mobilize civillians into mobilized work brigades, control all oil, water & electricity, etc., and to detain pre-selected people that have been picked up as possible threats through MAIN CORE and PROMIS(on uncircumstandtial evidence)....and the duration of continuity plan is undefined.....and this could all be defined as a fascist tyranny.. what a pleasant thing to imagine...

Putin rolling back civil rights, warns Amnesty· Russians 'losing freedoms under new laws' · Human rights activists targeted, say critics President Vladimir Putin has presided over a major "roll-back" of civil rights in Russia, which has seen freedom of expression, assembly and association seriously curtailed, Amnesty International warned yesterday. how is what Russia's doing any different than what the USA is doing with domestic spying, suspension of habeas corpus, & torturing. They may be different acts ie. outlawing freedom of assembly, but the US more than makes up for it by compiling databases of all the personal info they can acquire on people who excersise their freedom of speech or assembly. Even wearing a shirt that says "freedom of expression", "don't drink and drive", and "Veritas(truth)" in Amerika can get you suspended for a day, and a year if the behaviour is repeated. "We can't discuss children and their issue," he said. "It's a matter of privacy and protection of their rights.", says the principal in a non-ironic fashion... "I think it's silly that we can't practice the freedoms that they teach us here," Smith said. "You would think that school officials would have respect for the law and people's rights, or at least they should." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1411032/posts students have also been expelled in the United States for anti-war protests http://whitneymcferron.com/category/high-school-censorship/ Amerika is now know as a "endemic surveillance society".

yes, so old that they should never be brought to light or questioned or opposed in a public forum...

Over 1 million are on the domestic terrorist watch list for unspecified "anti-social" behaviour or political beliefs. http://www.radaronline.com/from-the-magazi...re_01-print.php Canada and the US now both allow eachother's troops within their countries. http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.ht...ef-902a1d14879d what a pleasant thing to imagine

In reaction to the US strategically surrounding Russia, converting its former allies, expansion of NATO, and the missile shield Russia has a few proposals: First is the creation of a unified North—a United States-EU-Russia alliance that implements coordinated security and economic policies. Russia would offer its natural resources, territorial, scientific and human potential for mutually beneficial integration with Europe and America. Second, Russia asks that the West recognize the inevitability of the rise of non-Western powers such as especially China and cease trying to block their ascent by sabotage and military action such as occupation of Iraq and key oil sources. Washington and the EU instead should engage with the new powers using collective forums, such as the UN Security Council, to shape a non-confrontational peaceful order. The third, and perhaps the most bold and most obvious, Medvedev proposes reshaping the present failed global economic order that was built up after 1944 around a US-dominated International Monetary Fund as a de facto neo-colonial weapon of securing cheap raw materials and imposing North dominance on Africa, Latin America and Asian nations. He proposes instead the North share some of its gains with the South before it is too late. At the same time Russia has announced it has strategic bombers over cuba(or refueling there), has put its bombers back on stand by patrol, is increasing their military draft and spending, has strengthened ties with Iran, and is strengthening ties with Venezuela. A key to their doctrine is that the world is no longer unipolar under US dominance, which is true. probally better to read the article then comment. then atleast i won't be liable for the trifle discrepancies BC festers over ad nausesm http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...va&aid=9641

the funny thing is there is actually some basis for tinfoil hats, lol. not that i wear one. microwaves among many other wavelengths of energy are blocked by the foil. the US in navy trials has been able to localize a voice in someones head and count from 1-9. it was done with the created percussions from the microwaves within the skull. and if you read the bio initiative report on EM pollution you would find that the authors believe most, if not all of it, is cancer causing(even radio waves, especially WIFI). in europe they've already accepted the risk of cancer from excessive cellphone use (this was known in the late 90's). the gov't of canada issued a warning about children frequently using cellphones before more is known. the foil would be useful against active denial system, that is, unless they turn up the power which would evaporate all the water instantaneosuly(hypothetically with enough power, which is possible to generate). which is probally whats gonna end up happening anyways. and for lasers what if the missiles were covered with mirror polished tungsten? so to me the crazy notion of a tinfoil hat doesn't seem that crazy and it is somewhat rational, but just not my style

I remember a few of you (I know 1 of them is BC) refuting we went into Afghanistan for the oil pipeline. Well just fyi construction is scheduled for 2010.....wud of liked to see that happen without a war http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...va&aid=9640

The Taliban is Al Quaeda??? There are no training camps in Pashtunistan among other locations? The hijackers and Bin Laden are Afghani not Saudi?

too bad WD you don't get half of it, when you knew, even when you had known you did, would you know you knew? or am i just confusing you ranting in the A1921. viable rebuttals next time?

BC don't reply, it is futile, just as you won't change your mind homo neophobus. (just saying what you already know)

"Nobody here is claiming that the U.S. would have invaded Afghanistan if it weren't for 9/11. What we are doing is pointing out the failure of the arguments that somehow getting bin Laden was the only purpose of American involvement there. Its not." ok simple simple Usama bin Laden=[scape]goat for 9/11 Afghanistan= Usama bin Laden's lair ie. "SECRET CAVES DUM DUM DUM DUMMMMM[V]" 9/11=Al Quaeda Al Quaeda=(supposedly) Usama bin Laden ok so so simple usama+al quaeda=9/11 attacks 9/11 attacks= public response to attacks and support for retribution against those responsible("Bin Laden's" Al quaeda") Bin Ladens Cave [DUM DUM DUM DUMMMM{5}] = Is in Afghanistan Afghanistan=TARGET ((Bomb, bomb, bombed, next bombed is iran? Revision of McCains HILLARIOUS SONG, should now also incorporate something along the lines of smokkkkkkkkke tabakkkkkkkkko, {ur gonna get DU n Fallout neways live it up in flavour province} in his next release)) Target=bombed=war in aghanistan=operation enduring freedom=nothing accomplished but perpetual war(AND I THOUGHT THAT BROKE THE 2ND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS!) Without Bin Laden the occupation could not have occured. It is as plain and simple as that. If there were other reasons for the occupation as you so kindly told us (WHAT A SHOCKER! REALLY? ULTERIOR MOTIVES, NEVER KNOWN THAT BEFORE) they were not published as you also mentioned (ONCE AGAIN WHAT A SOCCER!). That is the inherent problem. It wasn't just the news, it was also the presidents speeches, as well as the super high-tech multi-million extremely-extravagant Power Point presentation that impressed and coerced all(lol). So the public was misled by the gov't and media, but they cant be held responsible because the public had access to the information? Just not in accessible forms such as the newspaper or cable news or presidential addresses which how many Amerikans rely upon? Say 290 million +/- 8 mil? No bin laden=no 9/11 (supposedly} no 9/11=no fear no fear=no operation enduring *enslavement* with new coo alliteration 9/11 mobilized America to build its empire for this century Bin Laden Mobilized 9/11 ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// the CIA Mobilized Bin Laden as an intelligence asset long ago* ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// *STRIKE RECOLECTION OF TEXT FROM YOUR MEMORY DOUBLE THINK IS BAD, BE HAPPY, BE IGNORANT

Hmm I guess Robert McNamara, the Secratary of Defense for the majority of the war, was confused when he said, "I believe the U.S. should not have given support to a coup. I think, in hindsight, most would agree with that conclusion. It was not a universal conclusion at the time, by any means." And they kept on trying it over and over again to no avail, "This was one reason that those who opposed the coup among Kennedy's advisers, one reason they opposed it. They couldn't get any indication of who was likely to follow, or whether the regime would be stable. And of course, what ultimately happened was, the regimes that followed Diem were not stable. It was like a revolving door: prime ministers were going in and out every few months or few weeks" "Was Congress misled regarding the Tonkin Gulf resolution? Did they misunderstand the resolution? My answer, and it's important, is: yes and no." ", "Does this resolution mean the President will have the authority to take the nation to war in Southeast Asia?" And Senator Fulbright said, "Yes." So there was no misunderstanding on that. But the Senate had been led to believe the president would not use that authority without seeking further counsel from the Senate; [and] he didn't [seek further counsel]. And in that sense, I think they were misled. ... " "In any event, it was a very serious error on the part of the Johnson Administration. We did not fully debate the actions that led to the introduction of 500,000 troops, either with Congress or with the public. And that's one of the major lessons: no president should ever take this nation to war without full public debate in the Congress and/or in the public. " I get it, they had more than 1000 soldiers prior to the gulf of tonkin incident, sorry for not double sourcing that fact. However, do you not think that and increase from 11,000 to over 500,000 is significant? It wasn't because the public or congress pushed for a ~4500% increase in troops, it was because of the gulf of tonkin incident. The gulf of tonkin resolution allowed the President to go to war, aforementioned the senate believed that they would be consulted before further action, they weren't. "How to avoid these conflicts is something the human race has to learn. This century will go down as the bloodiest century in all of human history. We'll have lost 160 million people, killed by conflict. Is that what we want in the 21st century? I don't think so. If we want to avoid it, we have to learn from our mistakes in this century. Vietnam was one of those." Just like Iraq and Afghanistan...we're on a great start ~2/160th of the way there. All the quotes are from Robert McNamara, Episode 11, Cold War, CNN. BC by your logic than the US is in no position to criticize any one, your USD and economy are doing amazing eh? (well I guess it's kinda global now)

and it was only a violation of sovereignty and territorial integrity because Afghanistan & Sudan were not informed prior to the attacks. You can barely say Bin Laden represents all of Sudan & Afghanistan. With justification from the embassy attacks they were authorized to retaliate against Bin Laden. However, the intel on the Sudanese pharmacutical plant was shotty at best and could of led to the death of thousands from unavailable medication. Afghanistan insisted they did not support Bin Laden and were in negotiations with the US. Russia criticized the US for not following through with the negotiations until the end before attacking.

US involvement prior was minimal and mainly consisted of advisors (less than 1000 soldiers), after the gulf of tonkin incident they were fully comitted with 485,000 troops. Diem was against American intervention then he was thrown out in a coup then assasinated. America was behind the coup.

No, the part about the US gov't falsifying documents to coerce the public into a somewhat willing war (overwhelmingly towards the end the public pushed for withdrawl much like the Iraq situation). We were told that the USS Maddox & Turner Joy attacked by the Viet Cong which became the cassus belli for the war. The NSA later released documents that showed that there was, in fact, no attack on the 2nd date. Much like the cassus belli for Afghanistan, which presented to the public was to persecute Bin Laden and his cohorts. And we now know they do not even have enough evidence to prove he comitted 9/11, says the FBI. And sorry dancer, I guess it wasn't illegal. It ignored Afghanistan and Sudans sovereignty and territorial integrity. But because an accused terrorist attacked an US embassy I guess they have no rights any more. Did Afghanistan fund and orchestrate the attacks? Or was it Sudan? Or was it an individual representing a small clique...not the entire country.

I am ever so offended... Did you just leave the 6th grade? How about offering an actual opinion rather than a dismal insult. Or how about telling us how this situation is any different from how were were lied to in Vietnam. BC the fact that the US illegally attacked Afghanistan with cruise missles years prior to the invasion doesn't make it right, nor does it pave the way for justifying an invasion as you attempted to. The only reason why no one retaliated or spoke out is because the US is the sole remaining superpower for now...

" It is possible for someone to believe bin Laden was likely responsible, but we only bothered invading Afghanistan due to other reasons." That is exactly the problem, 90% of the population whether "troothers" or not believe that we are in Afghanistan directly because of the 9/11 terrorist attacks Osama Bin Laden "masterminded". Now nearly just as many people think we're in Iraq for the oil. There are always ulterior motives; it would be stupid to believe a country would go on a multi-billion dollar one man manhunt. However, that was the story that was told to justify the invasion. Generally, as a rule of thumb, if a politician needs to decieve and coerce a population into a conflict it is generally not in their best interest. But let me guess, we're too stupid to decide for ourselves and should let it be because they obviously have a good enough reason for it. Vietnam was great for America eh? There were no attacks on the USS Maddox or the USS Turner Joy. We were lied to then just as we are still being lied too; I don't see how this is any different. But it totally justified the millions that died and the lovely little present we gave Laos...an undeclared war against a 3rd world country and the largest aerial bombing campaign in history, more than all of WWII. Most of it was indiscriminate dropping of unused bombs because it was "too dangerous" to fly them back...but ofcourse the could fly them there with no qualm. And lets forget about the million dead in Iraq, the torture which is now legal, the opium production that has increased 100% in "A-stan", the domestic spying, the patriot act, full spectrum dominance, record breaking oil, the recession and stagflation (while the US plans to spend 1T on defense) and the road we are now on heading to even more war. All of this stems from one misrepresented fact. Whether Bin Laden perpetrated the 9/11 or not the end result is still the same. The US wanted to enter the region for geopolitical reasons to stabilize and ensure assets this has been stated many times. In Zbiginiew Brzezinski's book "The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives" he states that the US must ensure control of the energy markets otherwise the growing demand of emerging countries (China, India, etc) will be larger than the US market and they would no longer have a monopoly and the petrodollar. PNAC came to the relatively same conclusions and called upon America to not sell itself short and "build upon past success". I'm sure it's a coincidence that both PNAC and Brzezinski came to the same conclusion that the process would be much faster with a "cautostrophic-catalyzing event, like a new pearl harbour". One year after PNAC released their paper the new pearl harbour occured. The 9/11 attacks were used to justify ulterior motives of the government in power which they knew the public would not support. That is what is fundamentally wrong. If the population knew why were going to war we wouldn't be...

The fact that Bin Laden is not facing charges is proof that we were blatantly lied too. Nope....Read your own posting again: ....IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. QUOTE I wonder what people are going to say to debunk this. You are not the FBI Director, correct? Debunk that. My car was stolen in lets say Winnipeg by a 14 year old. However, I suspect it was my neighbour. So I go into my neighbours garage and hotwire the car and stole it before contacting the police about my car. When I got arrested I was shocked, like come one, I suspected him.... Doesn't make much sense does it? You are not human if you are not empathetic to what we are doing to the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan...they are not culpable for any of the charges they faced justifying the invasion. What they go through on a daily basis is directly coorelated and exasterbated by our imperial conquest. The bottom line is, BushCheney, you need proof to back up your actions: We need proof Osama perpetrated 9/11 to justify the invasion of Afghanistan, we need proof that Bin Laden controlled Afghanistan(the only justifiable way to onvade) we need proof that Iraq had WMD's to justify that invasion, and we sure as hell need proof to justify the invasion of Iran. But we now know that all of these lies with HUGE IMPLICATIONS were utterly untrue. The fact that you see no problems with this method is disgusting, I would assume you are one of its most vehement supporters. I bet you would even support depleted uranium candy with new faster IM absorbtion. Let me guess, McCain all the way! 100 more years! LOL, your philosophy will eventually crumble from within, we can't live like scared, starved, caged dogs for much longer.

The most wanted terrorist on the FBI's wanted list is Usama Bin Laden. However, he is not facing any charges relating to the September 11th attacks. The FBI is charging Usama Bin Laden with MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; CONSPIRACY TO MURDER U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH. This is quite odd considering that Usama Bin Laden is the scapegoat for the 9/11 attacks. It was the justification for invading Afghanistan that spewed out of CNN and Fox which was overwhelmingly accepted by the public. We were told he had extensive cave and tunnel networks that could survive aerial bombing, could hide tanks, and sustain them hidden for months at a time. He was portrayed as the mastermind of an extremely capable terrorist network. If any of those lies were true he would be facing the CONSPIRACY TO KILL U.S. CITZENS WITHIN THE UNITED STATES, MURDER OF U.S. CITIZENS WITH THE UNITED STATES (~3000 COUNTS), among several other charges. The fact that Bin Laden is not facing charges is proof that we were blatantly lied too. CAUTION Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world. http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm I wonder what people are going to say to debunk this. -___-

Ive been reading the Bank Act of Canada and in section 2 it states that the bank of Canada is to be Corporate. It is governed by a council of 12 which the minister of finance is a mandatory member of. The other members are to be selected at the Banks discretion. The capital is divided into shares that are held in the name of the minister of finance.

Remain ignorant...if you chose so. I am sure none of these men knew what they were talking about... “We are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covet means for expanding its sphere of influence; on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which as conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly-knit highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed.” JFK “… there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it's in my control.” JFK “The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know that a financial element in the large centers has owned the Government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson.” Franklin D. Roosevelt, “The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” | J. Edgar Hoover (hey sounds like alot of you eh?) “Today, America would be outraged if UN troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. [Referring to the 1991 L.A. riots] Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all people of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the world government.” | Henry Kissinger (Bilderberg Conference 1991 Evians, France) (9/11 and patriot acts I & II) “For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." | David Rockefeller, Memoirs , 2002 “We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.” David Rockefeller (can you say 9/11) “We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National auto-determination practiced in past centuries.” | David Rockefeller (thanking the media for lying to us, the media which the majority of you trust fully) “If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us.” | President George H.W. Bush to journalist Sarah McClendon, December 1992, in response to the question, "What will the people do if they ever find out the truth about Iraq-gate and Iran contra?" “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face! It's just a [expletive deleted] piece of paper!” George W. Bush (nice...) “The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the CFR, the Trilateral Commission – founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller – and the Bilderberg Group have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years.” | Dr. Johannes Koeppl – former official of the German Ministry for Defense and adviser to NATO. (hey that was in 1997, 9/11/01 was 4 years later pretty close) “The easiest way to gain control of the population is to carry out acts of terror. The public will clamor for such laws if the personal security is threatened.” | Joseph Stalin (false flag attacks have been used many times...) “The Technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by elite, unrestrained by traditional values.” | Zbigniew Brezhinsky , Advisor to 5 U.S. Presidents - Executive Director Trilateral Commission. "Between two Ages" “If you want to remain slaves of the bankers and pay for the costs of your own slavery, let them continue to create money and control the nation's credit.” | Sir Josiah Stamp 1880-1941 “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies... If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency... the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." | Thomas Jefferson..............