madmax

........like the purchasers of the Oil and Gas will pay the added on costs, no matter what country they live in? Sounds to easy. Could even work.

Really? The ONLY viable way! That is not how ACID rain was addressed. It was how the TIRE TAX was addressed. There are many ways to address emmission. OH Yes, I recall, back in the 70s, as they started doing EMMISSIONS TESTING. Companies built 2 gas analysers, then 4 gas analysers. Emmissions tested while in idle, then newer equipment to do both. Provinces like BC under the Social Credit and the NDP. These were LEGISLATED changes. Also, the changes, (WILD BILL Soon to comment) of Freon in vehicles. Legislation is a TOOL, just like TAXING is a tool. You may believe that Taxing is the ONLY viable way, but that is ONLY your opinion and it would appear that it is political motivated, not environmentally motivated. I believe this true of Dion as well.

Carbon Taxes won't affect the Americans, who purchase the vast majority of Canadian Oil? Just like they don't pay a GST. Which is essentially what this is, a glorified GST. Mind You, I am waiting to see just what Dions Proposal is.

Nobody is denying the right of political parties to vocalize their positions and interests. The Communists, Marxist Leninists, Canada Action Party, Progressive Party, Christian Party, Family Party, Animal Party, Mariuanuanouaeiwantmorepot party, and GP all make a contribution to the political arena. As did the National Party, Social Credit, CFF, Progressive (1930s), and even the underground separtists. Parties and People raise issues. That hasn't changed. The funnest party was the one with Yogic Flyers. Doug Henning was fantastic. NATURAL LAW PARTY. Oh yeah, the RHINOS are back....

So are you going to vote for DION?

More reason to investigate her... They go back 5 Years on FORMER spouses of port workers.

That all depends on what your definition of "IS" is (BILL CLINTON) ... Marrying bikers, being around murders, being swept up in police raids and spending a decade amongst mobsters and outlaw bikers is remote? But that's just her background.... His is that he is either involved or possibly a dupe, hanging around the wrong people.

The events that I attended engaged the General Voting Public who were interested in the referendum. Many enthusiastic to change...., so I have to say that you are personally bitter by the results. I am dissapointed. But when it appears at the other events the GP want a system that Benefits THEM not the Public, then you have a Political TURKEY on your hands. "We Need to change it so we can get in" ...... "its Not Fair"..... The system is different, has plusses and minusses and I would have been happy to see it pass. But it didn't, it was and the Liberals didn't even have to put it on the ballot, but they did. You can't blame the public for not wanting to endorse a system for the benefit of the 3rd, 4th and 5th tier, when they are comfortable with the one they have. And those that didn't vote, shows that they weren't intrigued by it either. Why would anyone want to vote for someone who is campaigning on the basis of "they don't, we won't either" but we have less votes and we want in.. because reading your comments is how you portray it to me. Perhaps this will help you with your costs. This was an idea from the National Party, that was somewhat modified, but put into practice by the Chretian Liberals. The National Party wasn't around for a full election cycle. But it's policy had an impact in Political Democracy. A similar change has been adopted in various provinces as well. This changes politics more then any other factor suggested by PR. People can argue the merits of it and such. I am merely suggesting that it puts VALUE to each vote. And you seem to be looking for some cash and some sympathy.

He is suggesting that Ordinary People Associate with Outlaw Biker Gangs, to justify Bernier and his travelling companions association with Mobsters, Outlaw Bikers and Gangland Executions.

Common, be serious. You said the Common Person, not an MP. you are suggest what has been said in the thread, that MPs can be tied to and solicited by Organized Crime. But the Majority of people (Common People) do not spend their time with Outlaw Biker Gangs in Strip Clubs. More reason to investigate Bernier. It is out there, in public, and there is good reason to followup on what has happened.

It is so simple isn't it. I think you might even be right about the latter speculation.

Home Run.... LOL

The common person in Hamilton associates with organized crime?

Conservatives were clearly against it. But there was nothing to kneecap. It just couldn't get UP to be kneecapped. I think you must have been the only one to be so short changed of literature. Their was tonnes printed up, and tonnes delivered. There were meetings held throughout the election in different churches and community centres. If you have to explain this, you are already losing. Nor would PR have given better representation to the ridings which were swallowed up. And people talked about this too. You are very dismissive of the voting publics concern. These are not BOGUS concerns. These are concerns. Sorry if you do not like them. Perhaps you should run in an election yourself, and hear what the majority of people are concerned about. It wasn't PR. Do you not realize, it went over like a lead Balloon. In one forum on PR, I recall that it became very apparent that the GP candidate came across that PR self serving endeavour that would help the GP not the riding. People heard this, . Some people still wanted it, some still didn't and the Majority..... Didn't care one bit. You could shout at the top of your lungs for PR, but Ontarians just weren't ready. The NDP and GP leaders were in the area promoting it and still NOTHING! Many were disappointed, but the lesson learned, is that PR is not going engage people to vote. And the weaker parties are looking for a freebie, gimmie a seat, handout. Even the communist party one a seat in Ontario ONCE, maybe twice... The CCF and Reform cut their teeth in Ontario coming from the West. It wasn't easy, but they broke through.

How do you get those that purchase oil from Alberta to pay the Carbon Tax?

I was at a Church Event in Hamilton. The GP rep from a nearby riding was there advocating Clean Coal. Another was supporting Nuclear.....nice buttons though.

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Money Envelopes= Mulroney/Schrieber...too This isn't about them either. No point in trying to change the subject. Bernier+Travelling Companion+ROCKERS+MOB+HELLS ANGELS.... How did he meet his "Travelling Companion"? Was it in a strip club?

Dalton McGuinty used the same campaign wording as Flaherty last year. His Ministers and MPPs all talked about the fantatic job growth, disregarded the Manufacturing job loss trend, ignored the corporate pillaging of profitable manufacturers, and many of their supporters Live in the very large Expensive Homes you see being built. Yes, the New Economy Jobs are at 2/3s to 1/2 the pay.

Cattle Corn?

Oil is Exported. It goes to the US via the FTA. We are not allowed to put an export tax on it. How do you reduce Global Consumption of oil extracted from Canadian Soil?

That is correct. They don't need tax breaks or subsidies. Both of which they are receiving.

They will receive tax breaks. I am well aware of what manufacturers face.

That observation was not Proven in the Ontario Provincial Election. People voted FOR the Liberals because they WANTED the Liberals, and John Tory was not articulating himself well. People had the choice, to vote for Proportional Representation, and turnout was ABYSMAL. Possibly the lowest turnout. People don't get off their butts to go an vote, just to vote against something. They are voting for something. Each Party that receives votes receives them because people voted for them. Clearly not enough people cared or wanted Proportional Representation in ONtario. It was a NON factor. Much to the dismay of the 3rd party.

Yes....I think you are onto something, because the ideology suggests the Petroleum Market is reaping huge profits, don't need anymore tax breaks or subsidies from government.