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The Final Solution of our Indian Problem': Genocide and Native Residential Schools in Canada Search Google Links yourself. Have you put in for that refund yet?

That's odd. You have consistently whined on this discussion forum about being the victim of the immigrant and minority accommodation. If what you say is true, you must have a terrible hate on for yourself.....

People haven't been silenced. They are still talking and still come out into the community. In fact the local fair had record attendance (and the parking lot next to fair grounds is on Six Nations land). Prices for houses are within the standard housing market prices. There are no lowered prices and being within commuting distance of Hamilton the market is still relatively hot. Even new home sales are hot and they are the subject of many Six Nations protests. You haven't a clue RW, like usual. Canada and Ontario are criminals. When you are constantly subjected to those crimes and the criminal make the rules, what would YOU do?

Perhaps you should ask your parents to sue the school and ask for a refund. Obviously they didn't deliver you an education as promised. I wonder if 50,000 children died in your private school system? I wonder if priests and nuns were given free reign with your body? I wonder if being punished for speaking your language was in your curriculum? Yeh, many people didn't make it out of the system in one piece. Many are not only still suffering the effects of being beaten and buggered, but have passed on their "isms" to generations of children in their communities. Your sniveling indignance is pretty pathetic but now it all makes sense. You really should get a refund, you know.

Of all the rant volume the entire crux of your argument whittles down to this: So you can't make the assumption of "silent majority" support or indifference. I don't see how anyone in that town can be indifferent when their life's equity in their home has been wiped out. No one will want to buy a home in Caledonia for a long time. No one will want to set up a business either, that's for sure. Yes we can. We can conclude that the silent majority is NON-supportive of the antics of the out of town rabble rouser, racists and white supremacists. We can concluded there there is not enough interest in the goings on at DCE to even show up at information meetings under the safety of remote meeting rooms and the wathcful eye of the OPP. We can conclude by the absence of support that those couple dozen agitators do not nearly represent the general opinion of Caledonians. Life's equity wiped out? Ha ha ha. Go check the real estate offices. House have sold in the past month for within 5% of their asking prices. There is no slow down in the market and it is as strong as it ever has be. No one will come to Caledonia? Hah ha ha ha! Lots of business come and go and that has nothing to do with the occupation of DCE. The retail businesses in town suffered a setback last year but only because they pissed off Six Nations' residents who eventually took their business elsewhere. Those retailers still haven't recovered from their big mouth syndrome but what do you expect when you treat your customer base like crap? However Six Nations has returned for the most part and the steady stream in and out of Canadian Tire and Tim Hortons is plenty evidence of their patronage. I would suggest that if you are really concerned about the town, that you gather up McHales' navy and boot him out of town for good. Then take those those dozen skin heads like the traveling smoke shop fella and tell him to grow up and get a job. Lastly take the other big mouths who spout off in ignorance and tell them to shut up or move away. Accept it! There is NO support for the ongoing anti-native sentiment in town. That's life. Move on.

There are only about two handfuls of people in Caledonia who raise a stink every time Six Nations makes a move. For the most part, the majority say and do nothing. That means that either they agree with Six Nations, or they just don't care. As to patching it up, I remember seeing the most brilliant solution on another forum. Leave them alone. If only the governments would comply with the law there wouldn't have to be so many disagreements, protests and occupations. It is nothing more than two tier justice where the natives get shafted once again.

Your support is irrelevent. I have always had a controversial opposition as long as I have posted here. That doesn't bother me, nor does the fact that the right wing nut bars often come out with personal attacks in response. The focus in presenting the facts and truth isn't to get those who oppose the message. It is aimed at those who sit quietly in the back, nod their heads in agreement and realize just how pathetic the counter arguments really are. Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. Albert Einstein A truth.

If you asked them, I think they would hardly care that you don't support them. The last true poll of Canadians towards native people suggest that a majority of Canadians support the fair settlement of lands claims. I haven't seen a poll to refute that. So I beleive that you speak from a very narrow circle of experiences. As well, from my own personal experience the majority of people ask "What's Caledonia?" when asked whether they support Six Nations or not. I guess the point is that few care about your opinions and fewer still even care whether an a-bomb went off at DCE.

...however the Feds have given control of the reserves to local bands. Actually, they haven't. The Band governments are controlled through funding and most reserves are perpetually underfunded. Band control of the schools has only been an option the last 8 or so years. However, INAC only funds native schools at about 1/10 to 1/5 of the same non-native schools. In a moment Bands can be seize and put under third party management without input or concurrence from any band member. Reserve Police forces.... Very few reserves have autonomous police forces that are under the funding control of the bands. In Ontario most of the reserves have police that are trained, funded and supervised by the OPP. In other parts of Canada, the RCMP totally police the reserves, sometimes with aboriginal officers, but full RCMP none the less. The RCMP also have a policy of keeping aboriginal officers away from their home reserves, so even though the officers patrolling the reserve are aboriginal, they often have cultural differences that make it difficult to understand each other. Native Children placed in foster homes (usually their grandmother's home).... Rarely are native children placed in family homes for care. If a child does end up in a family member's home it is because the family has intervened long before the Children's Aid Society has entered the picture. However, once the CAS does come in, children are most often placed off the reserves, sometimes in far away towns and villages and many times in non-native culturally detached families. Chief Fountaine last spring mentioned that there are now more native children in foster care than all the children that went through the residential school system. That in itself indicates to me that government-sanction genocide is still taking place, using different methods but with the same goals. We gave them control of their lives.... That is a paternalistic statement that is far from the truth. In reality we have controlled their lives and continue to insist (just listen to some of the ignorant rants on this forum) that we know what is best for them. We control almost every aspect of their life - even on reserve - by creating funding shortfalls, education lotteries, and even making sure that their drinking water stays contaminated in the hopes they will move from their remote communities and get out of the way of resource developers. At Kasetchewan, the government installed a sewage treatment plant 10 years ago that was upstream of the water intake pipes despite being warned of the possible contamination. Last year when they had to be evacuated, the suggestion was to move them to Timmins and let them integrate into a more urban culture. However, what the government hasn't been honest about is that DeBeers is intending to file a claim about a mile from their village in the heart of their hunting territory to mine diamonds. Interesting to say the least but THAT was not a coincidence. We need to work together, not isolate each other but work together to protect these children from the never ending cycle of Social Experiments. While noble, your suggestion would create yet another social experiment. The high incidents of alcoholism, substance abuse, child and spousal abuse, poverty and unemployment are not the causes of their issues. They are merely symptoms - most of which can be directly traced back to the residential school experience; the loss of family, community, culture and language. It has been suggested that the government spent about $800 million on residential schools and their target of "taking the Indian out of the child." IMO they have a responsibility to put at least the same amount of money in 2008 dollars back into a system that helps restore these things. The Kelowna Accord woutl have started that process but eh Conservatives are more interested in maintaining genocide than they are of finding solutions. Yet their limit seems to be confined to the $3000 per year residential school common experience buy-out...totally unacceptable IMV. It they want to help, then funding must be provided to let First Nations find their own solutions to the common experience. There is no "one size fits all" and no mainstream model that can help FN out of the rut they are in. Recovery in any "ism" is the property of the individual - they must make a decision to stop their behaviors, ask for help and realize they are helpless over their addictions. Once they hit their bottom then the government has a duty - a fiduciary duty - to provide the funding for full recovery, whether that means paying for full time support groups, treatment centres or traditional healing sessions. That is the only path to recovery that we can offer. Anything more constitutes interference and anything less perpetuates the genocide. The "Native Culture" needs to change...... There are only two ways to change culture. Genocide or assimilation. Both have been tried. Both are crimes against humanity. And both failed. Culture cannot be changed. By the same token our society is filled with a culture of entitlement, a culture of superiority and a culture of violence. These things clash with native culture. The only thing we can do for now (at least until there is a revolution against the corporations that promote and protect our cultural icons) is to accept their culture, support it to the degree that we have a responsibility to, and provide them the freedom to operate in parallel to us. That could mean sovereign self government. It could me family based communities and systems within the framework of a third tier of Canadian governance and it could be willful assimilation into the mainstream while retaining cultural centres. However, none of the solutions are up to us. We must let them decide and then provide the funding, settle the land claims and protect their aboriginal rights with every resource at our disposal. One of the key points that gives natives power in today's world is money - through economic development. The ED must include royalties, employment and community improvements as a result of resource extraction on their lands. Currently many reserves are benefiting from the tobacco sales, which is producing millions of dollars a year in ED to the community. And those involved in tobacco trade are fully aware of the ED sustainability by reinvesting their profits back into the community in the form of new and innovative businesses, local employment and support for many of the community social systems that have always been underfunded. That power scares government as they sick the RCMP after the tobacco sellers and manufacturers, citing lost revenue, contaminated tobacco and contraband sales. Yet they routinely stop vehicles on numerous highways, confiscate shipments destined for other reserves and impound their vehicles they rarely follow up with substantial charges fearing the courts will rule against them. The RCMP claim their authority comes from laws that allow them to use extraneous measures to counter gang crime. Yet the majority of people operating the tobacco shops are ma and pa operations. The RCMP know this but are breaking the law anyway and hiding behind obscurity to interrupt native economic development because they realize that with all that money and control over their lives, native people are beginning to stand up and question the government on their continuing attempts at genocide and oppression (like Shawn Brant did in the spring and summer of 2007). The charges are bogus and yet no one has the authority to tell the RCMP to stop breaking the law. Change can only come within and in a democratic society one cannot impose change on another. If that change is going to happen to either us or the natives, then we must first eliminate corruption from our own political systems, demand that the police stop abusing the law and issue ultimatums to racists and white supremacist that their ignorance and hate will not be tolerated. We must get control of the corporations that continue to destroy land and people's livelihoods all for the interest of the investor. We must force the protection of our environment, prosecuting anyone in abeyance to the full extent of the law. We must stop urban sprawl and raise as much concern for farmers and our food and water sources as we do for the stock market evaluation of the rising Canadian dollar. Only then, when we have become models of an ideal society can we ask someone to joins us.

I'm not sure they would have like your company in the stone age. At least they evolved, even if you didn't! AH, but maybe we should go first. All the damage we have done to their lands and the illegal extraction of their resources would put us in the negative. I think you better quit while you're a head. You are quickly evolving into an sphincter over this topic.....

I happened to be talking with a residential school survivor today. Notwithstanding that the government is trying to stiff him for two years worth of payment for his 4 year stay he is still chasing down justice. Seems when he first applied, the government slapped him down by saying that they had no record of his attendance. Yet in 1952 the government order INAC to destroy all residential school records. They might have had a case since obviously his records were destroyed with many others. However, after talking with a friend of a friend a teacher suggested that he contact the school board where he finished high school, and sure enough they had a record of his entire school history - including the 4 years he was plugged into residential schools. After submitting that information he received a cheque for only half of the 4 years with no explanation. When he called to follow up and ask why he didn't receive the full payment some bureaucrat says he wasn't there for the whole school year and was ineligible for full payment. In his last two years he was off for 1 month in each year. Seems the bureaucrats are still victimizing the survivors despite the judge who ruled the payments must be made ordering that the government cannot arbitrarily decide qualification. He may end up having to go back to court to get his payment. Sad really - at 73 and having to wait for 65 years for justice, some government dimrod is trying to sodomize him.

Canada has a fiduciary duty towards native people. Welfare, health care and education became a responsibility when the government created the reserve system and used genocide policies against them. The reality is, we can't afford a "lump sum" payment because it would break the treasury. Government refuses to proceed under court process because they fear exactly that - that the courts will order large awards to First Nations. The more court cases that come up the more liability we would experience. They also keep lands claims negotiations quiet (as well as lengthy) because they try to keep public opinion in line with the propaganda they spin about it. Perhaps if the government found a way to solve the welfare and unemployment problem in our society we could garner the respect to be able to suggest how they might help themselves. However, as long as corruption thrives in our government, and we impose that corruption on native people through the band governance model under the Indian Act, there will be the same corruption in First Nations communities as there is modeled in ours.

There is an on-going argument in the greater community that suggests that it is necessary to temporarily advantage minorities in order to dislodge the troglodytes that have held minorities hostage against equal opportunities and equal advancement. That is why minority quotas have been implemented in government and why during pay equity exercises men were held to a current rate while women we instantly raised. It is somewhat of a rubberband effect in that the effects of affirmative action are stretch to an extreme limit but over time as minorities are integrated into what were once WASP male domain, they will return to a reasonable set of policies offering equal treatment of all peoples. As far as native people go (which seems to be targets of many and the topics of much discussion) we haven't even begun to see the initial stretching of those rubber bands. Yet we hear about most often because the momentum of equal rights is being raised by native people themselves (along with many mainstream citizens) who no longer are willing to accept the oppressive and genocidal policies that have held them back in the past. Plus as Canadians we have begun to unravel the myths told to us by government and educators about the exact treatment of native people in the past. Gawd, we still have a Prime Minister who refuses to apologize, and while he has announced he will offer an apology at some point, it is nothing less than an election ploy and lacks the sincerity that would normally from from a voluntary admission of guilt and shame. And no doubt IF he apologizes before the next election, it will be a press event of little substance but full of sound bites that get attention. There are many troglodyte attitudes on this discussion forum and hopefully as more people become educated of the facts and true history of our interaction with native people and other minorities they can be shouted down in unison and return to those dark places from whence they came. perhaps even with further discussion we'll be able to convince them to return to the Ozarks where they can be at relative peace with wives and daughters that are often the same people.....

Cameco is still making the mess and polluting the environment. They are equally responsible to do something to mitigate it.

There was recently a W-Five (or one of the news documentary shows) expose on the uranium tailings that were buried 50 or 60 years ago in Port Hope. People there are getting sick. One guy (whom I happened to go to school with) worked for Cameco, a uranium refinery and was plagued with "unknown" illnesses - hair falling our, teeth and lung problems. Cameco denies it has anything to do with it. However, they regularly eject dust into the air over Port Hope. There are also two tailing dumps nearby that Cameco's former owner Eldorado dumped there 50-60 years ago. One at Port Welcome is sealed off to all access. Port Granby is also sealed of access however, it has been leeching into Lake Ontario for the past 25 years. The government promised over 15 years ago to remove it but there are no hosts and no processes to deal with the poisonous wastes. Still people are affected by and the government still allows Cameco to run without holding them responsible or accountable.

So far Toronto has been less than aggressive in diverting their recyclables from landfill. Last time I heard it was only about 20% while other cities divert up to 60%. Yet Toronto has been in a garbage crisis since the 1980's, failing to look forward as a number of dumps reached capacity and the province refused to allow expansions. As well, I believe that in some areas of the city there is still garbage collection 3 times a week and people regularly put out 2-3 bags at each visit. Most municipalities in the GTA have already found solutions to their garbage issues, yet Toronto refuses to look within their own borders for solutions. This exacerbates the "out of sight - out of mind" mentality and is probably a good part of the reason a recycling program is unsuccessful. Certainly you would agree that it is abhorrent for waste to be carted from TO to a dump next to a major waterway? I mean they have relentlessly let developers encroach on their watersheds and have over the years allow raw sewage to dump directly into Lake Ontario. Until they start to take some responsibility, they should not be permitted to dump their waste outside of their boundaries.

Native people have NEVER been conquered. In fact the government is still very much afraid of them. Christmas is a sham. It is isn't real and is filled with obligations, demands, disappointments, disillusionment, depression and a whole lot of not so good feelings in reality. The consumerism is built on that shame where retailers guilt people to buy and overspend. Then after all the gift-giving people stuff their faces. In anticipation of that Christian sanctioned gluttony, the shamed impose themselves on the poor in an attempt to offset the guilt they feel of eating more than their share. The other 364 days of the year they could care less about poor people eating...... If you want it real fro get about the superfluous and unappreciated gifts and make a commitment to donate to different amounts throughout the year. Christmas is a colossal waste of time, energy and money.

But they WERE far more advance than the savage Europeans that fled torture, and dictatorship ruled societies in the old country. The reason they didn't build ships is because they didn't wear out their environment like the filthy Europeans, who crapped in open sewers and drank beer and wine because clean water was too polluted to human consumption. Vast food stores led to plague from rodent infestations and ergot infected grains led to massacres of witches and demons - innocent women and children publicly murdered because the accusers were too stoned to differentiate between reality and a hallucinations. Europeans borrowed most of their technologies from other cultures they raped and pillaged. The average European pre-contact was a pathetic mess of fear, indebted to masters all over their villages and had no hop of freedom. Ships were commissioned by the Kings to go out a destroy people, reap their riches and bring them back - not to the benefit of the people, but to increase the greedy holdings of the monarchies. It was likely that the average European had one bath a year - and only then after a number of people had already used the bathwater. Babies were last - thus the saying :Becareful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater!" On the other hand, the Iroquois practiced sustainable agriculture - rotating crops, companion planting and composting to keep lands rich. They never tried to impose themselves on their environment knowing full well that to do so meant a backlash for them. Instead they moved entire communities to new village locations perhaps 20 or thirty miles away in order to allow the ground to restore its fertility and for animals and wild game to return the area. They had no need to travel long distances for food and had no need for riches, believing in equality and equal rights for all people. No one was held in higher esteem than children being the future generations. They were clean and free from disease - living on average to over 100 years old. You mistake technology as being something of value and yet as a society today, technology is the disease - the plague - we all suffer from. It creates power over others, destroys the environment, our water, earth and air and then purports to have a solution to restore it. Technology has made people dependent and indebted to the capitalists who force us to work in order to support the vast network of other workers by purchasing their goods. We are constrained by that technology and must invade and conquer other nations around the world to support our insatiable appetite for profit. And yet....children are poor people are without basic necessities. They do not have access to clean drinking water or adequate food. We are destroying farms for development and turning our last self-supporting occupation -farming - into corporate entities that pump their oil based fertilizers, hormone contaminated water and sewage enriched soils into our food chain and eventually our bodies. Technology is a disease. One would have thought that if Europe was such an advanced civilization, then why did so many people flee it to seek prosperity and freedom somewhere else? You live, eat and breathe myths. Go back to elementary school and see if they can teach you the truth.

Many of the small community villages (2000-3000 people) discovered on the north shore, didn't have palisades. They were farming communities - satellites of a major village (10,000-15,000 people) within 1/2 day's walk. Yes those villages did have palisades to keep animals out of their vast stores. As well, the palisades kept children inside as they were allowed to roam freely under the watchful eye of the entire community. There was no wandering off into the woods since sentries would catch them before they wandered off. Most of the palisades were constructed of 1" to 2" diameter poles - hardly anything that would keep an attacker out. There are oral histories of young children being enticed into the woods by small people only to be lost forever. There are accounts of some children who were found before it was too late, and they tell of these small people who lived under the ground. And these stories of small people run through a number of nations - Cree, Algonquin and Ojibway to name a few - and they are known by many different names. BTW Everything I suspected of you is true. As an anthropologist you and your family line might be an interesting study to see how you ended up in the lower ranks of the evolution scale. However, I don't have time to study Neanderthal have long believed that line went extinct.

There is no purpose in any Canadians pledging and signing a constitution, since all they would be doing is confirming their entrenched corporate slavery. Canada is NOT a country or a nation in any legal sens. It is nothing more than a Crown corporation, under the jurisdiction of the Queen. Before we could even contemplate a constitution, we would have to have a revolution to free ourselves from the slavery we have been burdened with.

Oh...and wait for it..... Christmas is a pagan festival stolen by the Church. The tree, the presents and the religious myths about Christ's birthday are all thefts from other cultures. No wonder so many people are so disillusioned with Christmas. It is hard to celebrate a lie.....

Actually, North American archaeology has proven that Natives were smelting and working non-ferrous metals nearly 3000 years before Europeans discovered the process. Europeans also had to steal the secret of gunpowder from the Chinese, not having the intelligent capacity to invent it themselves.

Again, I'm NOT responding to anyone, but we need to be quite clear about historical evidence. Then I suggest that you stop talking. You haven't a clue amateur....

Wrong! Still perpetuating myths I see.... The Wendat always occupied the Bruce - Midland area. The Huron WERE Confederacy Iroquois living on the north shore. Lithics and ceramics found on pre-contact villages excavated all along the north shore and dated to the 11 to the 15th centruies, confirm it. Huron was a name the Jesuits gave to those peoples, not knowing either the language or the affiliations when they came here. They merely looked down the St Lawrence and declared that those to the north were Huron and those to the south were Iroquois. There were never any "wars" with Huron or the Wendat. There were the occassion "spats" with the Wendat and the North Superior Ojibwa over hunting territory, but nothing of any proportion. Those remaining Christianized Wendat (after disease nearly wiped them all out) moved to Wendake with the French. Those non-Christian (of which there were many) were adopted into the north shore communities. The Jesuits brought disease on their bodies and in their lungs and it was the French who used small pox infected blankets to try to weaken the Iroquois strong hold in the north shore region. By occupying the north shore (and villages north to the Trent River, east to Montreal and south west to Niagara and the Grand River, the Iroquois controlled the access to the interior, being the chief traders. In fact these villages along the lake shore contained copper from the north superior area and ivory that could only have come from the high Arctic. As well there were numerous trade items that came from south America as well - a strong indication that the oral history of the Iroquois trading the entire continent, are accurate. What you are quoting is elementary grade myths contained in texts that have long been pulled from even the most conservative school boards. They have been replaced with more modern texts that while still containing dated information, have more proof than myths built in. Perhaps you should go back to elementary school and see if you can upgrade your history education. As it stands you are living in white sheet territory that can either be considered blissful ignorance, or deliberate omission that is common among white supremacist types.

Bullsh* You need to get an education and stop believing in myths. I have offered the proof of the occupations, and not only history BUT the archaeology of the north shore PROVES the Confederacy have been here, long before my ancestors (since yours are recent immigrants) arrived here. Not only that but the Jesuit Relations - the most accurate post contact history of the north shore - confirms they were here when they began arriving in the 16th century. Why not pick another municipality, like Thompson, Manitoba and compare crime rates. Why Peel? Ya, because Peel has a low crime rate to any other municipality of a similar size. You are not honest about your comparisons and that kind of dishonesty was what Jesus condemned when He was alive. However, given the ignorance and the vitriol of most Christians, I would say that would make you typical among them....although the bigoted superiority shtick is something that only a certain number of Lutherans and Baptist seem to carry as a value added extra.