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It would be more accurate to profile using income as a basis. Using race is lame in that the colour of one's skin has nothing to do with the rate of crime. Certain communities however do have problems and most of them are related to income status. Poverty breeds hopelessness and someone with no hope has nothing to lose in committing crimes. On the flip side the upper income tend to do more frauds, and white collar because in the realm of the corporate world they believe they are immune from the law. And really, lawyers, real estate agents and life insurance salesman all kind of fit the profile of con artists, anyway. So I guess the MBAs and LLBs are all in good company.

"...however Oral History isn't evidence it's fables." Fortunately, you don't know what you are talking about. The SCC - the highest court of the land - has ruled that oral history is to be given as much weight and sometimes more weight than the British written history. Seems those British and early Canadian writers held a penchant for telling fairy tales.

If you go back on a couple of posts, you'll see kens333 is including native people living in Brantford plus natives living at Six Nations in making a case for "natives are more violent than us" arguement. If this was a comparison of communities, then native people living in Brantford, or any any other community used for comparison would be included in the community statistics thereby raising the Brantford numbers and simultaneously lowering the Six Nations ones. It is fudgery clear and simple. The to top it all off his statistics are incomplete. If you are going to do this type of analysis then you have to include all crimes - including white collar crimes, murders, molestations and rapes which tend to populate mainstream communities and assaults, and theft type crimes tend to prefer smaller communities and poor neighbourhoods. The real numbers are out there and kens33 is either too lazy or deliberately avoiding posting true comparatives. What DOES constitute racism is the deliberate attempt to show that native people are inferior or more prone to crime than non-natives.

Sure they do...kens333 has not only been fudging the numbers, but also history. And he is specifically targeting native people, not comparisons between communities - see his citations about non-SN residents included in his fudges.

No. Your manipulation of statistics is IRRELEVANT! Get it? And of all the people on this forum you persistently and unequivocally display your anger and xenophobia in such creative ways. You can't hide your prejudices.

Funny that you should bring the McH name into this discussion and slag him. ...Yet....you two have so much in common....Maybe even a membership in the same group.....Maybe even grand daddy's from the same country....

Hardly. Take it as an indication of irrelevance.

From what I understand, jennie has been instructed NOT to interfere with SN, and her efforts reflect that request. She is openly permitted however, to do everything in her power to make our side do what we are legally and morally required to do. I appreciate and acknowledge her efforts, on our behalf..... And yes it was a dumb personal attack by someone who has run out of arguments.

What I have been teaching you is the hidden history of the Confederacy that government and educators have hidden from us all. They prefer the pan-indian is a noble savage views and are deathly afraid tht if you knew the truth, you might want to emulate them. (Although in your case your family history would disqualify you.)

....but I think it's safe to say that the average Canadian resident outside of Caledonia.... I believe you have a problem with the ~thinking~ aspect. You must be reading comic books since there is little available in current texts on Six Nations specifically, other than a few goings on about Joseph Brant. Your library research is also sucky since anything contained there is largely prejudicial against native people in general, save and except Mann and a few other anthropologists and linguists. However, the importance of anthropology - especially where is concerns the Iroquois Confederacy (or the Haudenonsaunee as they like to call themselves) - is that it undoes the biased historical texts and replaces with a more accurate account of the Confederacy, its society and world views, its pre- and post contact history and quantifies it through archaeology using our own colonial texts. If there is one thing learned in researching my thesis, it is that there are hidden lines in many of the historical records that indicate how enamored many bureaucrats, statesmen and politicians were with the Confederacy society. Having read a great part of the Jesuit Relations as well, it is easy to see how the Jesuits in France edited the missionary accounts to portray the natives as savages when in reality the Jesuits that came here were convinced that they had entered Paradise. You really should take another look at yourself, since everything you write is smothered in hatred and xenophobic overtones.

Learning history in a "hands-on" way is far more valuable than sitting around ingesting textual regurgitations from flunkies who filled their books with their personal prejudices. See I know where you got your history education from and let me tell you there is so much wrong with recorded history that it will require a high-colonic to before the influences of many of the old shit disturbers posing as historians get erased from academia. So like I said. Show me yours.

Both the federal and provincial governments - politicians AND bureaucrats - have a high regard for Six Nations people. Out side of Caledonian, Six Nations has a huge support base from people who not only support lands claims settlements, but whom also see Six Nations as a sovereign entity. You must be from Caledonia or the immediate vicinity, since only people from that area are as narrow-minded and bitter as you present your self to be.

Honours for both. MA in Socio-cultural Anthropology. Show me yours now. The "digs" are important to explore the defined history of the Great Lakes regions. Oh...and my thesis? The Expansion of the Iroquois Confederacy, Trade, Commerce and Culture of the Great Lakes....

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No laws were broken. A protest occurred on lands to which the public have a right of access. Put that myth down the toilet will ya... Dumps are not a good thing. Unregulated poisonous toxic cesspools beside a major river are even worse. Unregulated poisonous cesspool dumps where Toronto (which typically diverts less than 20% of their garbage from land fills) has liberty to send anything they want is a disaster waiting to happen. Toronto closed a number of dumps that could easily be mined and reconditioned to hold another 10-20 years of their waste. They won't do that however, not because it is the cost-effective thing to do, or that it might be a reasonable thing to expect, but because garbage is bad for development. It is bad for investment in their city as they claim to be the cleanest city in North America - another myth. Yet the provincial government bows down to them and gives them expansion without requiring the completion of an environmental assessment - something even your grandmother would require if she decided to change the creek behind her house. No, only the citizens can stand up against government when it is corrupt and uncaring for our future and our kids' futures. Having not only an ally but the rightful owner stand up and say enough...IS a good thing.....and I sense that those that oppose this alliance are less concerned with their prejudices dominating their thought processes than they are about using common sense when deciding to allow a poisonous toxic dump next to someone's drinking water....but then again...I'm discussing this with people who are happy the government dumps piss and shit and other chemically fortified pharmaceutical sewage in their drinking water...... I would suggest that we are not EVEN as civilized as the natives our ancestors met when they first came here from the old country.

If that is what you think....I just wonder how you ever got past "Ten Little Indians" in your studies. How many archaeological digs have you been on in southern Ontario?

The money that Six Nations receives from our government represents less than 50% of the total interest that is due on their trust, alone. At the rate we are going we are adding $1 billion every 10 years to the trust that WE owe THEM. And that doesn't include any values of lands that were leased or sold to which they have not received payment in full. As it stands WE are indebted to Six Nations, alone, to the tune of over $1 trillion...and it is growing every week we do not settle the land claims.... And now the Courts have rule that WE MUST pay fair value for land and resources, with compounded interest. You really haven't a clue what you are talking about. Perhaps you should ask gramps why you think and talk the way you do.....

There are no "roadblocks". There was a "protest" yesterday at the dump and it was organized by both non-natives from nearby communities going under the banner of HALT and Six Nations participants represented by the HDI. Both were stopping the dump expansion (the environmental assessment isn't yet complete by Toronto seems to think it is above the law), and were able to get an agreement to delay the construction / earthworks fro a week while they meet with the HDI and discuss their concerns. The only ones breaking the law are the pitiful Toronto bureaucrats that authorized construction before the environmental assessment even got off the ground (the EA - a two year process - was just started in July). Seems you're wrong again M.Dancer - just like most the other times too!

You would like that to support your ignorance, right Geoff? The "consultations" and "accommodations" that are required by Canadian law, are planning measures and land use policies implemented by Six Nations to cover the Haldimand Tract. Since our government is unwilling to follow the law, or compel developers (in this case the City of Toronto) to comply with the law, the Confederacy has informed them all that no development (including the expansion of the dump to hold all of Toronto's waste) can move ahead without the express approval of the Haudensaunee Development Institute which is the planning department of the Confederacy. I guess you guys would rather break the law than to call for it in your angst. No wonder there is two tier justice.....the right wing types think they are exempt from the layers of laws they keep implementing.

Nut jobs come in all shapes, sizes and religions....and for a FACT! the majority of people who join cults ARE Christians. They have been conditioned by the Christian Church to do as they are told - to not question or disobey - and it is this trait that makes them easy targets for all kinds of abuses. It is easy for any non-nut job to see that the indoctrination into the Church not only opens the door to sexual abuse by ministers and priests, as well and outstanding members in the Church but it makes them extremely gullible for charismatic evangelists who preach they are the next evolution of spiritual enlightenment. The Christian Church is not only prone to deviant sexual behaviors, but is laden with violent thinking, having arisen from the violent murder of their leader, and participating in ritualized cannibalism in His remembrance.

Actually....after doing a bit of internet sleuthing, I think I know why you don't like natives...... Are you friends with the owner of Voice of Canada perhaps?

What a stretch..... Do your expose on Brantford for the same time period. You'll a greater number of crimes - many more serious - over the same time period. You are motivated, aren't you.....Did a native piss you off or beat you up?

I believe that the author specifically centred out the native community and ignored non-native towns and villages. Targeting and generalizing natives specifically, with a purpose to show that natives are inferior to others IS racism in my opinion, and borders on hate.......

Here's one: Man Charged with Uttering Threats Interesting..... "The victims are aboriginal Canadians." "Police have charged the man with uttering threats and breach of probation. They will also be consulting with the Crown attorney with respect to an incitement of hatred charged in connection with the incident." I wonder......this seems to be a trend.....amongst non-natives......criminals....

When was the last time a politician asked you what you thought? Even during election campaigns they are quick to tell you what THEY think.