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Maybe we should lobby the CBC to show the Glenn Beck segment and the movie Obsession.

No fair shake - not a bad commentary, too bad that the media plays the political game and tries to shape the news rather than report it - accurately that is. By PAUL STANWAY http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Columnists...19/2417081.html It should have been a good week for the Harper government, with Environment Minister Rona Ambrose talking honestly about the Kyoto accord, and the PM insisting human rights are more important to Canadians than “the almighty dollar.” You’d think that’s the sort of stuff Canadians want from their government and would strongly support. And maybe they would, if the message wasn’t filtered through dysfunctional media coverage. -snip- Judging by media reports from the UN conference on climate change in Nairobi last week, Ambrose was uniquely scorned because she’s “abandoned” or “repudiated” the Martin-Chretien support of the Kyoto accord. Much was made of the fact that – in the words of The Canadian Press – “Ambrose received two ‘fossil of the day’ awards from environmentalists at the conference.” This was so newsworthy it triggered (by my rough count) at least 180 stories. Yet Liberal environment minister Stephane Dion got the same award in 2004, which triggered no stories. When his Grit predecessor David Anderson won it in 2002, the same result – zero attention! We did a little better in 2001, four “fossil” awards and four stories, but any reasonable person might deduce from this that there is one standard for Liberal environment ministers and another for Ambrose. -snip- We can’t do it because under the Liberal governments that committed Canada to that goal, our emissions increased 30%. Yet according to the nonsense regurgitated by most media last week, Canadians should believe this failure is entirely the responsibility of a government and minister on the job for less than a year – not the government that embraced Kyoto but did virtually nothing about it for over a decade. Ah, but the Conservatives’ commitment to Kyoto is “suspect.” The Grits may be environmental failures, but the Tories are worse. They’re not doing anything. At least that’s the impression left by much of last week’s coverage. [b[Except that the Harper government agreed with the other 179 nations in Nairobi to fast-track an updating of Kyoto. Some countries that are exempt from the original plan, notably China, argued to delay that as long as possible in an attempt to keep their Kyoto-free status. No “fossils” for them.[/b] Ambrose is working with the Europeans on a green technology fund, and she’s even talking about linking Canada to the European system of trading pollution credits – a move that is not going to make her Miss Congeniality in Alberta or with the climate-change sceptics in her party. -snip- A fair shake from the media? Only if your definition of fair is a kick in the head.

I hope you remember that next time someone suggests we go into Darfur, Somalia or any other country the U.N. or NATO wants us to help with to restore human rights etc.

http://www.rightpoint.org/kyoto_flash.html have a laugh

The only thing Muslim women do is burn themselves. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061118/ap_on_...suicide_by_fire Very sad, strange how some people think we should get out of Afghanistan and ignore these human rights issues, but not ignore the Chinese human rights issues.

Mark Steyn has written a book called America Alone in which he describes Europe's "civilizational exhaustion," and how they are entering into a demographic deathspiral that will end only when they buy the farm, as it were, in Eurabia. Steyn is am excellent writer and amusing, he writes that in the neo-medieval Mosque, the imam and his circles rule by the divine right of God and his Prophet (the Tehran model). Both sacerdotal and totalitarian forms of government come from the mists of antiquity -- which, alas, doesn't mean they have necessarily run out ofsteam. Militant Islam, as Steyn sees it, is certainly poised to take over Europe. "The only question is," he writes, "how bloody the transfer of real estate will be. Anti Semitism - we ain't seen nuthing yet. There is another book John O'Sullivan's "The President, The Pope, and the Prime Minister:" Three who changed the world, that and Mark Steyn's America Alone have a few things in common, one of which is they are not available apparantly in Canada, including libraries.

Boy, I really can't believe that we are actually debating allowing the gov't to intrude even more into our personal lives, talk about Orwellian. And no, I'm not a smoker. What's next, monitering the food we eat, how much time we allow the kids to watch TV, the list could go on. Why not just take the kids and put them in one big day care centre, heck we can all be parents.

He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Civil libertarians have been getting after Harper for failing to go after Beijing for the release of Celil - and now he has. Harper said Canada values the freedom of its citizens more than it values trade. Meanwhile China manipulates gov'ts by agreeing to do business with those who withdraw criticism of human rights in exchange for benefits. I guess gov'ts and people who once backed freedom and democracy are too willing to sell these ideals for the dollar. The Liberals did as much when they removed sanctions which had resulted from Tiananmen Square. IMO it took courage for Harper to take a prinicpled stand on these issues especially with a minority gov't. http://robedger.blogspot.com/2006/11/ignat...our-values.html Ignatieff: stand up for our values quietly "Mr. Harper, I think, believes you can go to one of the greatest civilizations on earth, a superpower of the 21st century and give them a little lecture on human rights," Ignatieff told CBC News. I question the judgment of anyone who supports the Iraq war on shaky human rights grounds, but is against merely publicly questioning China's human rights record. I can not believe that the frontrunner for the Liberal party is telling the Conservative Prime Minister to stop raising such a public stink about an international human rights issue. The Liberal Party is supposed to be the party of human rights. I have to go lay down.

Trying again - back to the topic on hand China relations. CBC reports: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/11/16/...ieff-china.html Mr. Harper, I think, believes you can go to one of the greatest civilizations on earth, a superpower of the 21st century and give them a little lecture on human rights," Ignatieff told CBC News.... Ignatieff praised China for improving the economic and social rights of their citizens over the last decade. "You have to give them credit for a fact not enough Canadians, I think, recognize which is over the last 10 years, the most important human-rights advance in the world has been the hundreds of millions of Chinese lifted out of absolute poverty," Ignatieff said." Now hold on here, doesn't iggy lecture on human rights for a living? Freedom House ranks China as a 7 for political rights and a 6 for civil rights (lower is freer) http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?p...mp;country=6941

Well, we do have some state of the art frigates. Maybe it is time that the rest of the world stepped up to the plate when it comes to being proactive in keeping the peace. Our navy was involved in boarding and searching tankers in the Persian Gulf looking for illegal crude-oil shipments from Iraq (before the war)

Black is white - up is down on here Also agree with Argus.

Peter MacKay is a dog and should apologize to Canada for whoring out his fax machine. Whoops okay, now I get it Fortunately Harper is NOT a so-con he has always been a fiscal conservative. Martin scraped by with the minority by managing to convince Canadians that the conservatives are scary social conservatives, it barely worked last time, this time we know it won't work. the 'scary so-con agenda' doesn't cut it anymore. Wiikki says that (quick someone go edit it now) Prime Minister Stephen Harper is known as an avid fiscal conservative - and William Johnson, author of Stephen Harper and the Future of Canada, said "While the Reform Party had a strong social conservative streak Harper personally is not a social conservative." Stockwell Day is a strong social conservative, and a nitwit, someone I could never support as a leader, although he has done well in his current position.

I'm guessing he is preparing for a run at politics in the future, gradually prepare the groundwork then wade in, in a few years. I would think he'd have a good chance at winning in any Liberal stronghold/riding based on the name alone. He is a federalist, so we know where he stands on that one, and he did say: In a National Post interview he said he thinks the Liberals need to "spend some time in the wilderness", he didn't exactly endorse the Conservatives but did say "I'd like to see the Conservatives come back to being a strong, credible, national force," so he can't be all bad

Hmmm, off the top I'd say we are, I'd like to see a moratorium on it. Sounds a bit like law and order, where you know the jury won't go for murder one, so in order to get a solid conviction, go for manslaughter. I'd like to hear more about it.

I think you've hit the nail on the head there Betsy, they are trying to take a stand against a growing problem of social and religious tensions and unrest. Maybe Muslim women should revolt and burn their Burkhas (or at least the veil)

Guilty until proven innocent. I don't see what it has to do with Peter Mackay, or the fact that his constituents are able to use his office fax machine.

I havn't seen anything in the rest of the media about this, they seem to be missing the important part of the story, that is the part about the liberal candidate intercepting NDP emails. This has been reported to the police. http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/200...351322-sun.html Bringing down a Liberal' Tue, November 14, 2006 Memo shows NDP overjoyed at blog meltdown. By CHIP MARTIN, FREE PRESS POLITICS REPORTER The NDP gleefully pounced on a chance to "bring down" Liberal rival Glen Pearson in the

No I did not think that Harper supported killing gays. Show me where I said that. Not surprisingly, your response failed to address the issue. You claim that I said "Harper supported killing gays." Show me where I said that. Not one of the quotes you've provided say that. You have made that clear in numerous posts on a daily basis, insisting that opposition to the bill was based on 'supporting the killing of gay's and not hate speech. Your propaganda is quite transparent.

Weeeaaaaaggghhhhh! 'We're going to South Carolina, and Oklahoma, and Arizona, and North Dakota, and New Mexico, and we're going to California, and Texas, and New York, and we're going to South Dakota, and Oregon, and Washington, and Michigan. And then we're going to Washington, D.C., to take back the White House ... WEEEAAAAAGGGHHHHH!" Guess things didn't quite go as he planned, maybe he'll do for the Liberals what he did for the democrats then. LOL At least the Liberals can no longer use the feigned indignation of having an "American style' policy poop all over the CPC if they do. Maybe the Liberals are completely dazzled with American style politics .... Weeeaaaaaggghhhhh!

I agree they should get their house in order before they come begging for more money from the ROC. Toronto has not reaped all the benefits from amalgamation, they still own and run various buildings, all their little fiefdoms are still operating - fiscal accountability doesn't seem to be Miller's strong suit. When Toronto has cut all the fat and done all they can, I'll agree with them getting more handouts.

Here we go again, repeat a lie often enough and the masses will believe it - Lenin would be proud.,

When you boil it all down it is simply a case of protecting our most vulnerable (young people) and keeping them safe from predators. As far as I'm concerned with the difference in age protection, we are doing the right thing. If people are opposed to this because they want easier sexual access to you people, then I know we can't be wrong. Anyway you cut, those opposed to raising it are simply reinforcing that point.

What's your point?

Personally I'm impressed that Harper has taken such a firm stand against China and that Canada has the courage to put economic interests aside in favour of human rights abuses. Maybe we shouldn't worry at all about human rights abuses anywhere in the world, and just get on with trade regardless. As of last night the meeting was on.

I'd think Harpo was against the forum rules Hiti, really no different than Dithers. We all need to clean this stuff up, it adds nothing. I've been told name calling is against the rules, I would also think that shrub etc. much as it shows the poster's lack of intellect, is not in keeping with the forum rules. Actually this particular thread is scraping the bottom of the barrel. This type of namecalling is actually a form of propaganda, a phrase repeated over and over again in every thread, gives the reader the idea, links them to a negative symbol hoping that the reader rejects the available evidence contrary to their idea.