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Sorry - I have an opinion ...... But, not going there It's more fun making the perfect people spin - cannot be ruining my reputation! Got to get back to the old style - have a good one Borg

I am sure he will arrive in Canada some day - I have not derided the UN - you dick head - I simply stated I was told it was a great organization - it is now preventing your wonderful Canadian from coming home - some day that will be lifted - until then he can stay where he is at - he has been there for a few years and not been missed - a little longer will not hurt. The legal system of this country does not help us in our security - far too many people have been ordered out and nothing has been done - perhaps this one is another Canadian of convenience Why don't you go and join him - I am sure misery loves company Borg

Dobbin you write like the military is the bad guy - I tried to be up front and logical on this - your comment about the military having an agenda is written in a manner that makes one think they are on the take. The agenda is simply this - They want the best equipment for the job period - there is no gaming - I know - I have written SORs - which ones are not for public disclosure. If the stoppage comes it is because the opposition will play games - the justifications need to be water tight - not always easy to do as there are multiple ways to play politics. It goes into the house of idiots and the media reports on what happens during question period. The military is not allowed to go public to explain their reasoning for the SOR. That is why I gave you a couple of examples. I do not claim the military is flawless and do not waste money - however much of that waste is to keep the politicians and media happy and to keep Treasury happy - miss their date by one minute and you are out for possibly months - if they decide they are too busy to see you - once again you are out for months. I have never missed Treasury - but they have often delayed me. Politics makes it a lousy job in NDHQ - which is why everyone runs from there at the first chance - I hated it - I know no one who loves it - because politicians treat them like shit - ever been treated like shit every day of your life? It is far better under the cons - but still not fun - I will quit before I go back. No matter who is in power - they are concerned about the opposition and the questions and the media and the agendas - Cons are bad - fucking libs are the worst - NDP we simply ignored No gaming - want the best - the competition that cannot meet the initial requirements spends a lot of lobby money toget the requirements reduced, eased, slacked or whatever you want. The competition unable to meet the rrequirements will almost always spin a great story - they will spend millions to turn the story around. Bottom line - they cannot meet the requirements. It is a lot of money and those who cannot meet the requirement will be doing their damndest to complicate the process. Read what I wrote and think on the examples - then ask yourself if you want those requirements reduced - especially if you are the person counting on that airplane coming to get you. Or you are the person working in that airplane. If what I read from your response is written to be the way I took it - then you are similar to the folks that cause the problem. Meet the requirements. If you cannot - then you can go cry to the media and politicians - and CBC is the worst for misrepresentation of the story - cannot wait until they go tits up. So - in closing - want to be a bidder? Meet the requirements. Borg

There is of course far more to this than meets the eye - and of course CBC does not have all the facts - and in fact misrepresents some of those facts. Iwill even go so far as to say the CBC quite willingly ignores facts as well. The SOR written for the new SAR aircraft has some very specific requirements due to the job the aircraft will be required to do. Two small examples that will not violate the confidentiality of the SOR Cabin height: Needs to be a specific minimum due to preparing the Para Rescue personnel for an actual jump with full bush penetration capability and full medical kit. This is more often than not completed in extremely rough weather at altitude and the the person is standing and unsupported while this takes place. Head clearance becomes vital. Imagine jamming your head into an over head ceiling as you prepare yourself while dressing for the jump. Landing capability: This aircraft will not see a lot of pavement. In fact it will do a lot of very rough - and I do mean very rough - unprepared field - landings and take offs. This means the ground is soft / rocky / over grown with small tree / etc. I have chppped up small trees during some landings and take offs. Hard on the propellors and hard on the airframe. I will not go further into this - I do agree the program is taking far too long. I also agree that the various governments in power have not been friendly towards the military in their search to replace the aging Bufflao - which is an outstanding aircraft - simply very old and out of date - therefore the capability is failing. Yes the libs are as much if not more to blame than the cons. I am not up to date enough on the company that wants to build the Buffalo from scratch - but I have my doubts as to their ability to deliver - it is not like building a three bedroom bungalow. Viking may have honourable intentions but they do not havethefinancial backing or the infrastructure to put out the finished product and maintain time lines. One thing I can assure you all - the military - when it commences the process to bring a new piece of equipment on line - is fair and accurate. Usually the problems begin when a potential bidding company realizes it cannot meet the SOR and complains that "the little piece" of the SOR that they CANNOT meet should not be a driver in removing them from the process. They start the political process and it delays everything. If you want the right aircraft for the job, the people who fly in that aircraft and the people who jump out of that aircraft are the people who tell the NDHQ rats that write the SOR exactly what it is they need in that specific aircraft. Truth is the 273 is the only aircraft that meets the SOR to the best of my knowledge - I have been away from NDHQ for a year now - so - let's look at it from another angle: If it was your son or daughter flying that SAR aircraft - or your son or daughter jumping out of that aircraft - or your family member being operated on on the back of that aircraft (medical evacuations) - which requirement do you want the military to remove from the list? I will give you some thought on this: Cabin size - not only for Para Rescu / Sar Tech - now your wife is having serious complications and the medical team on the air evac needs to carry out a specific operation while in flight - do you want cramped quarters? Runway capablity - your son or daughter or family member needs a medical evacuation right now - nearest helicopter is 500 miles away (very common by the way) - do you want this aircraft to be able to get to your position in heavy icing conditions and then be able to land on that rough strip? Or do you want a Bombardier Dash 8 - that despite all claims by the company - and I have flown it - as the aircraft to come to your assistance? Hint - The Dash 8 fails miserabley at all of the above - it is an excellent aircraft - but not for this job - and do not think for an instant Bombardier are not eager to get the libs back in power - they exert a lot of influence through family connections and they are not happy the cons are there now. There are examples of lib aircraft purchases against the military advice - Griffon helos and Challenger come immediately to mind - political purcahses the military has to live with. Bombardier is an incredible political power. There are a great many companies out there that can build an aircraft than can ALMOST do the job. If you are the person who relies upon that SAR aircraft - do you want that "almost capable" airctaft - or do you want one that can do it all? If politics (opposition demands for political reasons) and industry lobbying and media with an agenda were not involved to twist this exercise, the plane would not only have been purchased - it would have been in service. Last one from me on this topic - I am sure there will be some who want to make it another media circus - but yes, it is as simple as I have explained it - outside agencies have made it complicated and the military has been required to make additional efforts to justify all parties - and to counter the complaining of international lobby teams who have the ear of the media. It is obvious that CBC has an agenda when I read this. Bottom line - there is a requirements list - if the aircraft can do it - then it is on the competition - if it cannot - then it is out. Borg

Do not be too sure of this my idealistic student friend who has not been anywhere on his own yet. You have not got the experience to even come close to making that judgement Borg

So a guy from Montreal - probably an immigrant from Sudan - who obviously had money to get here from Sudan and money to return to Sudan - goes to the Sudan - gets into trouble and was told to stay there by libs as well. Somehow gets his name on a UN Security Council list - this is because he is such a nice boy after all - I have been told many times by waldo and smallc and their ilk that the UN is a respected organization. He is supposedly cleared by our folks - who obviously travelled to that God forsaken country and completed an investigation? Yeah - not frigging likely. RCMP have so much capability in Sudan. So - when does his name come off the worshipped UN "list" during the time of lib rule ? Perhaps they know something we do not? Courts love the law - I am more interested in the security of my country and my family. No judge in Canada would say no for the sake of security. He is a person who would never say no for security if the law backed his decisions - proving yet again the law is an ass and its many worshippers are simply ass kissers. Which is why a judge should NEVER have a say. They and the vast majority of lawyers would sell their mothers, their daughters and their souls for 30 silver pieces - and judges are the worst as they have milked the system to the max and now are working to do the same on the other side of the system. Nice political move by someone from the Sudan who obviously has some serious money backing to pay for all this legal stuff. Until this guy is removed from the UN Security Council list of terrorists - no judge has the right to bring him back - and I am glad the government has made this decision. I am fairly certain the libs have done this in the past as well. Having been to Sudan - criminals have money - citizens have none - criminals send their people out of country to have children, open new illegal ventures, etc. Hell seems to me one leader from that part of the world even had all his children born in Montreal. Canada does have around 40K immigrants that are deemed dangerous and are to be deported - yet they cannot be found - this guy has a known location and can stay for now. Montreal has a population of people from this part of the world - many of them are not the type of people you want living next to you. This guy can stay in Sudan forever - not going to miss him - he went back for more than "family" reasons. More to this than meets the eye or some lefty news report. Harper is not the first PM to do this - and the wonderful, ethical UN supports this decision it would seem. In fact Harper is only following the UN advice - something people who worship the UN should be happy about. I find this quite funny seeing as how I was recently told the UN is a great organization. Unfortunately in Canada the law will always trump national security unless someone steps up to put the lawyers, judges and legal system in its place. I am sure the bleeding hearts here will tear themselves apart and put on their hair shirts - off you go now folks - remember the lib heroes from days gone by supported this move as well. Borg

Cannot see even how his complaint about some folks simply echoes his own writings Borg

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Thats because we think you are out to lunch and not worth worrying about - radicals are usually not worth the trouble - and that puts you in the "who cares about dub the nub" category. Have a nice day Borg

Rather than bitching and accusing - why not wait and see what happens? Too many folks seem to have already made up their minds and the plan is not yet out on the table - other than what the media might state - and we all know the media are not always to be trusted. Might surprize us all - heck the Egyptians got a pleasant surprize some years ago - and the world got a major shock. Borg.

No surprize here - just another typical lib on the money trail sucking the sweet tit Borg

The ads are truth ads Harper - no different than those damned creepy libs - is at war. Trust me that hooligan the "cretin creature" was a tough bastard - he played hard ball and that loser the martinette was weak and lost out because he could not maintain honesty and control in his party Politics IS war - and the libs were masters - now they are losers Borg

Well, get out and do something in a few third world countries before you get settled into the entitled Canadian way of life Big world and lots of parochial folks come from Canada Dog eat dog world and canadians judge those countries on their own values instead of the values at hand in the country they discuss. Try doing a couple of years at school in Israel - you will actually enjoy it (very, very international student body) provided nothing comes over the horizon from a neighbour - and while you are there do some work for an NGO or two in the west bank or Gaza - then off to Sudan for a year - then the Congo - then Afghanistan or Iraq - lots of work available - some physical and some cerebral - either provides a heck of a reality check if you live outside the confines of wire and fences and armed guards. You might try Papua New Guinea as well - risky for a white guy in the back country and not recommended for females - but very nice part of the world if you can keep the jungle and natives from getting you. Remember when you travel in these places - no matter how nice and respectful you are - you will be the minority and there will be more than a few who wish you harm no matter what good you are doing In some places you may be required to wear personal protection and pack weapon or have close protection - and no you will not be military - but it is exciting and challenging. You will become very aware of your surroundings. Study hard and keep that typically closed canadian mind open to what you see and do. If you are really into some excitement - do Columbia - lots of work their that is legal for an NGO and then hit South Africa and Malaysia. Once you have done this you will have been international for about 7 -10 years. Then you will have a little hair and tough skin on you and a lot more experience to help you change that world for the better. I recommend the above only for males - if you are female I can work you up a plan that will be relatively safe and almost accomplish the same thing. Bet you do not do even a small part of it - when you are older you might regret that - then again as a canadian you might not. After all is said and done - then visit the nice parts of the world as you build your law career - you will find you think quite differently about that career and those nice places after your initial experiences. Borg

I cannot believe this is not a cut and paste from a conspiracy theorist web site In all actuality there might a few positives to let the pendulum swing back a bit from where we are today You live in a world of fear - too bad Borg

You are going to have to stop - people will start thinking you are turning into someone like me. Hmmm .... might be an improvement Borg

I know three MP's personally - none of them have served more than two terms. Although I am not happy to admit it one is a frigging lib - he knows my opinion of the party despite the fact I can call him a friend. They all spend tremendous amounts of their "holiday" time working within their respective communities. I would say they might be "off" if you only believe they are busy when parliament is in session - however I actually believe all of them work their asses off and they make a lot more personal sacrifice than many others would ever be willing to do. If you want to simply call it time off I will stand and say they are nearly always working. If you want to change the drift of your comment and simply say that parliament should be in session for a longer period of time - well, I think I would agree with that. Borg

Well, well - the kid born into money - and I - actually agree Well done - perhaps there is hope for you yet Borg

How do you know for a fact there is nothing they can do - what have they done to date? Oh, by the way - those animals are the two legged kind - they work for me and that is their name for their unit. They have taught me a lot - and I am still alive because of them Going to answer my question or cop out with another weak attempt to goad me. You cannot answer me Borg

Good one! Actually I did not see an insult fest - but perhaps I was not brought up as genteel as you - what I saw was a strong discussion - with you dodging the points Care to continue? By the way you have seen and heard about Israel many times and formed an opinion I could not change - so answer my question if you could lower yourself to my insignificant level (why deny your opinion of me?) - if you even can - because I answered yours - stop kicking the beehive and peace will break out. In case you have noticed - this has NEVER happened. Last time my little sweetie: If the palestinains truly want peace - what do they have to do to achieve it? Big hug to you Borg

You have no response to what some in the country are saying so you now run to mommy the moderator - how grown up is that? You have heard far worse in your life - so why can it not be said here? Company too polite? Opinions not allowed because they are not yours? Poor boy/girl whatever. Hive? Old stuff - to repeat myself from far back It is the first letters of my last name - been around a lot longer than Star Trek By the way - you are seeing nothing here that has not been said elsewhere in the country. Too hard for you? I could dumb it down to your level if you ask nicely You need some de-sensitivity training I will repeat my question: I would ask - if the palestinains truly want peace - what do they have to do to achieve it? Care to answer wise guy/gal? How about you tango, the closet racist? Peace is a two way street - what do THEY have to do - or are you folks so bound in your hatred you refuse to answer? You folks need to get out more Lovely day here today - think I will go out and see what the animals are doing Borg

All your comment is worth Work that criminal for all you can - rights should be lost when you destroy others Borg

More than half the world disagrees with this - including your favourite people - the muslims - almost all of African Protestants, Catholics and islamics and more than a few asiatic countries - packers in most parts of the world are either ostricized, imprisoned, avoided or killed I suspect they believe "homphobia" is normal - tell them your opinion and see the response Borg

Initial part of answer almost accurate - libe are and have always been soft on crime and criminal activity. The remainder: Out of context - typical canadian with no real answer Borg

Obama is becoming known as Zero in theUS - I am beginning to see why I wonder why the average person does not at least place some blame on thepeople obama is talking about - the palestinian - are they up for sainthood? I would ask - if the palestinains truly want peace - what do they have to do to achieve it? Borg

Not in the slightest as you do not recognize sarcasm - simply pointing out that until the borders of Jordan and Egypt are open there are serious reasons for the country you hate - Israel - to maintain security You are quite a foolish person in your simplistic ideas Stop kicking the bee hive - Israel - and strife will end - tomorrow. Borders will open and peace will come. Until Hamas and the PA agree to peace between themselves - until Hamas agrees Israel has a right to exist - there wil be no peace. It is far more complex than the innocent, yet superior canadian can imagine When the rockets and bombs stop falling upon the Jews - peace will happen If Israel - a democracy that allows muslims full rights including citizenship, voting etc and has muslims serving in her government - were to lay down her arms she would disappear almost over night. The fact remains the hate from the Arabs is the cause of the trouble - not the other way around Until you have lived and worked in all the areas discussed - I have - and do this with the eyes of a westerner - you will never have anything more than a weak and uninformed opinion. And of course as a canadian most people only know what they read/see on TV and newspapers - and of course as a canadian they are also usually quite pompous in their attitude Have a great and uninformed life - enjoy your rose coloured glasses Finally - off topic - I do believe in the death penalty - not ashamed of that - as many others do as well - a rabid dog - male or female - should always be killed Borg