KrustyKidd

Iran is run by a repressive regime. AI called it just as every western leader acknowledges. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Golly Kuzadd, the dictionary says that saying 'allowing' is a word that doesn't work, you agree, the guy writing the piece agrees and I agree. What the hell more do you want?

I have and I will. I only hope that you open your eyes a bit more.

Ya. Stop attacking in all it's forms. Both sides. What we can do here is to stop justifying attacks in all their forms and deny either side their propaganda victories leaving them with no other discourse but to talk. Talk doesn't occur until violence stops or, one side cannot conduct violence. I can assure you that that side won't be Israel as they have plenty of options left. This, by the way, is the one tactic that a unified Palestinian entity has never tried.

Least he only killed his own.

He doesn't think that Dub. He, unlike you, actually clicked on the link and was making a joke as it obviously is neither of those two or, any other country in the middle East save Israel. Geesh. Duh Dub, western aren't countries that for the most part, "oppress women,that kill homosexuals, that stone adulters`to death, cut off hands, suppress` freedom of speech etc etc and yet condemn Israel for existing. " Oh, and also, if you actually go down to the library to crack that book about Gandhi, you might want to check out an atlas - Israel is in the Middle East, not Europe or North America hence, it is wise to compare it to other countries of the Middle East that "oppress women,that kill homosexuals, that stone adulters`to death, cut off hands, suppress` freedom of speech etc etc and yet condemn Israel for existing. " Don't worry, we're laughing with you, not at you.

Is there any precedent that proves this? I mean, Israel is certainly not going to risk their civilians lives on a hunch from Tango. As far as I know, Israel has been under constant attack, threatening rhetoric and hate mongering since it accepted Resolution 181 and partition.

I didn't know that there was two Palestinian peoples Dub. What is the country full of Palestinians on the West bank called themselves and what is their capital? Have they their own currency and when was their independence declared? Far as I knew, there was only one nation of Palestine and it has still not stopped terrorist attacks. Yes, that would mean cracking a book or two in order to determine if the thousands of deaths he deliberately caused by sending innocent people into harms way to propagate his political vision were worth it. Not to mention the millions of displaced persons his actions caused. As I told you, there is a reason why he never won the Nobel Peace Prize. And you have no clue why. Since you didn't bother to bone up on the subject matter, I concur, I don't want to debate in your echo chamber.

No it didn't. It came from the idiot who was giving his opinion on the damm thing. TIP Idiot Writing Opinion Piece Kuzadd

And the Palestinians continue to terrorize. When one stops they will have moral superiority and, possibly peace will break out. I asked you to read up on Gandhi so we could speak of this intelligently. Please do so and get back to me when you think you have it.

Ultimately there should be complete equality Kuzadd. So, in open discussions providing both parties feel the same nobody should be as you say ... 'subordinated' and, allowed to build providing they are are likewise in tune with the goal of complete peace. If Palestinians are then there is no reason why Israelis cannot as well hence the positive in the document which invokes your ire.

Without getting into an involved discussion of Arab Israeli problems, the manual is not in itself evil just because people don't follow it.

Kuadd, the manual is what they believe how things should be done, not what is happening. If everything was perfect, there would be no need for it would there?

Tango, let's try to keep some semblence of order in the thread. You said; And I said; So, if Israel did open the borders so people could flee, where would they go? And then, once you address that, we can move onto your expanded point of Israel pulling out of the occupied territories and then, I can point out to you that Hamas will continue their attacks until there are no more Israelis in what they consider to be the entirety of Palestine according to their charter. So, where would they flee to if the borders were opened?

Dub! How can one person be so wrong?

If you contend that Israel is singularly intent on owning all the land then why would they not just wash their hands of the entire problem and finish their wall, close all borders making attack from Gaza and the West bank impossible? How about you do a bit of research on Gandhi before posting again. Then at least you will have some idea of who and what he was and did. You know, methodology, setting up of protests and all. Partition, the ensuing chaos, why he never won the Nobel.

If that is the case then why don't they take the easy way out and build a wall and forget about the problem? So to you the end justifies the means. Didn't figure you for that type, I mean, if you beleive that then you must be a supporter of GW Bush and the Iraq invasion and all.

I will come to Dub's defense here. He did acknowledge Israel's right to exist. Few anti Israel rant mongers do this so kudos to him. Possibly I may take him under my wing however, he still has to cull his hate Israel thread count down a bit to be taken seriously as a student of mine.

Speaking of Gandhi, he wasn't exactly the pacifist that so many echo chamber attendees make him out to be. I can, however, see why Dub used him as an example earlier today as he does share the same 'foook it' disposable attitude towards his own when he needs to make a political point. Deliberately placing his own people in positions where their actions and inaction's were certain to cause a predicted reaction - beating people to a pulp so he (or Hamas) can show the koolective how brutal the British/Israelis are. When I hear one of these morons use him as an example of how things can be changed peacefully I laugh. There is a reason why he never won the Nobel Peace prize - he deliberately caused misery and death and in fact, possibly should have been tried as a war criminal for inciting violence which caused the deaths of thousands and, ultimately placed his country into separation mode with hundreds of thousands dead and millions displaced with two nuclear armed nations pointing Jihad Busters at each other.

Even the CBC had it pegged. Hamas calls upon all Gaza children to gather near a house to form a human shield

Course he didn't, either did his sock puppet Toto. The only parts applicable and requiring their attention was the opinion of the hate monkey explaining for the koolective echo chamber addicts.

Fact is, if you go into a crowd of whipped up anybody, right or wrong, you can expect to be messed up if you are not one of them. The issue here is that you continually bring shit like this up as if it has some meaning when in reality, if I walked into an anti war rally when tempers were running high wearing a 'I love Haliburton' shirt, I'd probably be subject to the same. Just as I would expect to be beaten to a pulp for wearing a pro Israel t shirt to a Hamas rally. Like what the hell Dub, this is just a bash Jews and Israel thread.

As I stated, Hamas using civilian centers of population as bases to attack and, naturally expect retaliation in expectation of propaganda victories with your biased AI is the same as using people as human shields. HELLOOOOOO. ANYBODY IN THERE? What I'm saying is that Hamas should not have been attacking anybody and therefore, there would be no Israeli counter action and therefore, no need to "have gone head to head with tanks, helicopters and planes in open air." Hang on a sec Dub. Take a deep deep breath. Now, consider this for just a second. Relaxed? Ok, now ............................ don't you think a lot of this could have been avoided is Hamas did not fire rockets at Israel? You know, negotiate, that sort of thing?

You doubt his credentials? Here's AI's head; Now who do you think would know more about what happens in a war zone, the guy who studied people like the IDF and Hamas for over thirty years or the lady who guides international meetings? Fookin' Dub, you make me laugh.

And you believe that using a population center as a base and, in light of the biased NGO system set up essentially using every man woman and child as a human shield and propaganda tool in order to launch attacks against a superior force which you refuse to negotiate with is a valid humanitarian act?