KrustyKidd

Well, today was not 1948 as they were attacked as soon as they signed that paper wern't they? Only an idiot and, a bigoted racist one at that, could refute the declaration of independence of a state as being a lie. If that shoe fits, you certainly look good in it. Dub = reality challenged.

Quick search on Wikipedia. If any of these examples are wrong, please address them with counter facts. He didn't say that? What did he say Dub? 'Long live Israel?'

They weren't sold a bill of goods. In fact, they had no choice n the matter as the US is a Democratic Republic meaning they vote in their reps and then they hang on for the ride. Regime change in Iraq had been US policy since the Clinton era so this was simply a continuation of it. There was a lot of strategic reasons for the action, all of them were successful. The few that had to do with Iraq directly were, for the most part, successful as well. The quagmire is another twenty five million people and the hundreds of millions of their descendants who are free. Better call Obama on that one. He is the one who now calls the shots on whether to to continue or discontinue the paint by numbers policy laid out for him.

And your point is............?

To the UN, they acted on various material breaches, at home, they went to conduct regime change to get rid of what was considered by them an urgent threat. There were a lot more reasons of course that were the real reasons such as; - to get Iraq to comply with ceasefire terms - to stop Iraq’s Inadvertence to UNSC resolutions - to force Iraq to cease it’s violation of human rights - to stop Iraq’s material breaches of UNSC resolutions - to end Iraq’s WMD capability and aspirations - to end repression of Iraq’s civilian population - to force Iraq to return or cooperate in accounting for Kuwaiti and third country nationals - to force Iraq to return Kuwaiti property wrongfully seized by Iraq, - to end Iraqi Support for terrorism - to show America has the will to help allies and destroy foes - to depose a regional threat take in Saddam that would have to be dealt with sooner or later - to force action from SA to take care of it's radicals - to pressure other regimes in the area not to provide passive or active support to Jihadists - to position US troops in the region in force to enable that pressure - to aid their global and NATO mission by having another Air Support base in the region - to support and help create an Arab democracy as an example to others .

The inspectors were not looking for weapons rather, they were looking to ensure that Iraq did not have any. A totally different mission than so many believe. Iraq said they had destroyed them all however, could not prove this through documentation and, their willingness to allow verification was minimal if not nonexistent. These incidents of unwillingness were considered 'material breaches' and, the same as actually having WMDs as far as an offense against the UN resolutions went. After more than a decade of this bullshit, the US, finding Iraq a liability resource wise and, a potential asset to intimidate Saudi Arabia into being more aggressive in taking action against their Qutbists, used the breaches as a legal pretext to invade and take out Saddam. If they were actually worried about WMDs, they would have simply gone in with or without UN approval long before. simply went to war on a material breach. This was the reason given to the UN when the US went to war. . This made for increased suspicion that they actually did not destroy the WMDs and related material. It all came to a head when Iraq finally

It's a Democrat show. Nothing the Republicans say or do is gong to change anything so, best to steer clear of the whole thing and not own an inch of it. If it succeeds, the Republican party is finished anyhow, if it fails, it fails big and the right may even be swept up in what may be an over corrective right wing backlash. That is bad so, I actually hope it succeeds. In any case, Palin did have more experience than the lawyer. I have to give credit to the media as they covered up this reality which seems quite apparent now by his flip flopping on previous promises and ultimately returning to the Bush policies.

Thought everybody was getting lucky 'cept me. Argus Wrong. Obama and the left will be one of two things in three years - invincible or, lame duck waiting for anybody to take over. She stands a shot and, a good one as she has no affiliations or dirt to be found like so many others. If all the dirt one can find on a politician running for President is a kid who had a kid out of wedlock and a few peoplke from her hometown who have a rumored ax to grind I'd say compared to a guy who used to run with terrorists, racist America haters and sat in on the odd Nazi Muslim hate fests, she's doing pretty good! ironstone The left is scared shitless of her. Al Gore, John Kerry and all can't make a headline to save their souls and here she is, commanding front page day after day. In any case, quit politics, take some courses, give some speeches, take up a cause and off she goes for the next two years donating her earnings to charity. Emerging in Washington as a lobbyist for some charity and voila! Knowledgeable, charitable, well connected and savvy with Washington.

Never said they forced them. Said they used them and, used them they did. That's one of the reasons there were so many civilian casualties. Here, from your little report you keep gong on about; I certainly don't see anything wrong with trying to stop rocket attacks do you? And, seeing as how Hamas does this from Gaza, refuses to negotiate as per their charter, going after them in their area of operations seems fair to me. So all this time, Hamas had the power to stop the action by Israel. You don't see anything wrong with this Dub? Hamas uses populated areas as a war zone from which to attack, then hides in same, then when Israel attempts to stop Hamas, they are branded war criminals even though Hamas has every opportunity to not conduct those operations, turn themselves in or, negotiate a ceasefire. I think that if you desire peace, you might try berating Hamas a little. Ever try that or is it just Jews that deserve your ire?

So why is the leader saying the people want to die? If they don't, then he is full of shit and, using them as propaganda and human shields.

Hey, why won't that happen Dub?

And, as Israel is a democracy and if he did not adhere to those words, he would have been impeached and thrown out of power. Might work in a dictatorship but not there. Nice try though. You really have us all in stitches as you wiggle around this one. I suppose next it will be what ink was used or who signed with which hand?

Dub, I don't support either of the states. You however, support the ones who use their own people as human shields, conduct terrorism, torture their own people, kidnap foreign nationals and place their own population at risk by conducting open warfare in populated areas.

Pretty self explanatory. Land is worth money. Land cannot be returned in certain cases as there is no long period of affirmed peace between Israel and the Palestinians thus, Israel cannot simply throw land at Palestinians so, must keep the land until peace prevails - if ever. In turn, certain groups place prerssure on the goverment to enable the use of this land and, more than likely there is lots of bribes going around to boot. Rather than make peace, Palestinians sacrifice their own people by using them as human shields, confiscating medical and food supplies and continueing to lob missiles at Israel fom areas whcih house women and children. IOWs, they don't give a shit about their own but, as we know, even the Hamas leadership has stated that all Palestinians love death more than life right? Excuse me? A moment ago, you didn't even understand what is going on and I had to explain it to you and now, you have a PHD in this? Dub!

But Dub, don't Palestinians want to die? Fathi Hammad, one of their MPs says “We desire death like you desire life.”

Given that if you don't do what they say, and, the Palestinian leadership brags about how everybody loves death and wants to be a human shield and, the fact that you get your legs beaten to a pulp like the poor fellow on DOP's vid, how could any red blooded Palestinian refuse? Oh, wondering, since the Palestinians value their own and other's lives so little, why do you care Dub?

I stated the italics were mine. In any case, it states; The steps include living within certain boundaries. And, they agree to that here; So, they state that whatever the UN says shall be done which once again is adhering to boundaries. You forgot to mention these people who also represent the entire state of Israel; No Dub, it's written in black and white in the declaration. If you are expecting them, sixty years ago, to write something in the exact terminology so that moron Jew haters can make a loser argument based on syntax and, in a language foreign to the original document then you are intellectually lacking. Essentially saying that they are founding their country based on the resolution and, are prepared to do whatever it takes to adhere to it I believe is accepting it. How so? By signing Israel's most formal and official political document which says they accept the resolution and are prepared to cooperate with the agencies and representatives of the United Nations in implementing the resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947 (which by the way was the passing of the resolution) which includes boundaries, he is officially agreeing with me and telling you you are wrong.

Heard she is going to run a soup kitchen somewhere so she can gain the experience necessary to be a Democrat President.

Hamas deliberately uses women and children as human shields to aid in attacking. They make for great bullet stoppers and, when they are killed, whining morons with no sense of right or wrong take the propaganda from Hamas and make a barrage of idiot threads berating Israel rather than the people who place the civilians in harms way.

Reads it in context sometime Dub. As usual, you fall short in research. (Italics mine) Sure sounds like the Israeli people as a complete society accepted the resolution in it's entirety, borders included despite what bigoted Jew haters say sixty years later with selective quotes from former politicians . Now, some peace sites from the Palestinians please.

They also detail Hamas's crimes against their own people. Palestinian Authority: Hamas' deadly campaign in the shadow of the war in Gaza

Hamas still has energy to attack their own though.

He is not greater than the Israeli Declaration of Independence which is a document formed by the people and for the people. His words may be historic but, the Declaration is law. As well, hate to say it but he's dead, the document is still in effect.

So have you found any Palestinian peace sites yet?

i didn't declare his words as 'whatever' but rather your belief that an elected official's words mean more than an entire nation's founding document. The Israeli declaration of independence states they accept partition. End of story. Were not the borders of Israel on May 15 1948 the same as the partition? Ah well, you said 'lies' meaning plural. Where are they Dub?