KrustyKidd

It sure is silly, wherever did you get that idea from? I would imagine that if somebody was born outside of a hospital then whomever was attending the birth could sign as well as a witness with a doctor or administrator testifying with a signature as well that they have spoken to the parties involved and yes, the baby was born at home, in a car, in a plane or wherever. Point being, somebody should have signed the document along with a witness testifying when and exactly where the baby was born. That detailed information is not found on a short form or certificate of live birth.

here which used this as one of ot's refs. Absolutely none, save the person was living and breathing so we agree on that. To have more absolute proof other than a piece of paper that states he or she was born in a certain place at a certain time however, something with the attending doctor's name, signature, that of a witness and the hospital in which this event occured would be in order. This would be found on the certificte of birth rather than the certification of live birth.

I'm reaching? Excuse me, I have not reached for anything. I just don't believe that regardless of circumstances, a baby would be allowed to grow up without a birth certificate. Hence, sooner or later regardless of circumstances, he would have one.

Depends on what the Birth Certificate says. If there is a blank spot where the hospital and doctor would be along with a witness then they would claim it was a clerical error and simply state as such and burn out a Live Birth Certificate. We all know he was born, we all know he is registered as being born in Hawaii however, unless one sees the doctor, witness and such we are not certain and only figure that by all probability he was which is legal as far as I know.

In other words, the Birth Certificate provides the details that prove that the certificate of Live Birth is valid.

Well done Dub! A one liner at the end of their mission statement is better than nothing. Say, can you provide any that give anti hamas statements that are of Arab origin?

From your link; Bah! Rank amatuers. Enraged Fatah Members Riot After Defeat Of course, others kill each other in riots over more serious things such as cartoons. Dem Joos are rank amateurs compared to the rest of the Middle East when it comes to riots.

Yes there is the odd one but it is mostly almost totally Qutbist Muslim extremist fanatics.

Yes, Muslim extremist fanatics. Actually, almost totally Qutbist Muslim extremist fanatics.

unlike pencil pushing hand wringing led by the nose peace groups in a blame Israel mode this guy has seen it, experienced it, studied it and knows how the meida is bent over and used by the likes of Hamas. Colonel Richard Kemp CBE, served in the British Army from 1977 - 2006. He was Commander of British Forces in Afghanistan was an Infantry battalion Commanding Officer, worked for the Joint Intelligence Committee and COBRA and completed 14 operational tours of duty around the globe. He now runs a private security operation in London, advises on defence and security issues and works on behalf of soldiers and families of soldiers killed and wounded in action. He is author of a book on military operations in Afghanistan, Attack State Red, to be published in September by Penguin. Richard Kemp was attached to the Cabinet Office from 2001 - 2006, with a six month break in Afghanistan in 2003. At the Cabinet Office he worked for the Joint Intelligence Committee and the national crisis management group, COBRA, including during the period of the 2005 London bombings and a series of high profile kidnappings of British nationals in Iraq and Afghanistan. He was involved in devising and developing government strategies and policies on counter terrorism, including the CONTEST strategy; and in a number of international strategy groups with key allies, notably the US. Richard Kemp was appointed Member of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (MBE), Military Division, in recognition of his intelligence work in Northern Ireland in 1992 - 1993 and was awarded the Queen's Commendation for Bravery as a commander in the United Nations Protection Force in Bosnia in 1994. He was appointed Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (CBE), Military Division, in the New Year Honours 2006 for his service in relation to the London bomb attacks in 2005, and for his work for the British and US governments in Iraq the same year. Richard Kemp runs a private security operation in London, writes national newspaper articles and is a frequent TV and radio commentator on defence and security. He acts as Special Adviser on Counter Terrorism to the House of Commons Home Affairs Select Committee, was a member of the Stevens Review of UK Border Security,[4] and has co-written a forward policy document on Afghanistan. He is the author of a book about military operations in Afghanistan, Attack State Red, to be published on 3rd September by Penguin Books. Recently he gave this lecture; HAMAS, THE GAZA WAR AND ACCOUNTABILITY UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW

In order for it to be a war crime, proportionality has to be considered as well as deliberate action intended to kill civilians. On the other hand, we know that hamas deliberately uses their own people as human shields and, uses terrorism as policy. Weighing Crimes and Ethics in the Fog of Urban Warfare OMG! The Red Cross has something good to say about Israel! Hamas's Palestinian Victims: Human Shields

I can't find any Dub. Nor could I find a peace organization that supports ' israel's use of military force and supports israel's occupation and expansion of settlements.' So, can you please provide proof that

Don't be. Everybody, even your pals understand that you are out of your depth here and have been unable to articulate a flaw in my contention and instead, attempting to misrepresent without substantiation of same. That you keep bringing it up without proof is rather entertaining. And no, I in turn am not embarrassed for you as this is exactly where you belong - the zone of babbling irrelevancy.

AI seems to have missed what Newsweek found. More proof they are either incompetent or biased. More from the CBC - Gunfire, blasts heard as Israeli troops clash with Hamas fighters in Gaza Hamas uses all their people as Human Shields otherwise, they would not store weapons, and use buildings with civilians as firing positions.

You are the only one who makes this connection as I certainly never did otherwise, you would provide some proof.

Physician, heal thyself.

It certainly would be which is why I specified 'in that area' so bloody morons would know what place me, Remiel, DOP and others were talking about, even though only a fool would not know this as the entire drift of the discussion is pretty much about that area.

2004 Madrid train bombings

Why thak you Bonam. Dub seems to be stuck in his 'thought in a box' koolective echo chamber rationalizing today. You are correct, the Use by Hamas, of the entire civilian population and society as human shields is exactly what I meant. Dub No. Explaining that because Hamas deliberately begins actions and then uses their people as human shields the IDF is forced to fight them in their cities.

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I believe i did. It is you who did not respond to all the points so I will repeat; Holy! Thanks for verifying these terrible deeds Dub. I knew that Hamas had no compunction of using terrorism however, to deliberately incite a war and bring it purposefully onto their own people by staging attacks, stockpiling logistics in the middle of civilian populations is heinous beyond belief. A crime of gigantic proportions. .Yes, that would be Hamas. Who cares who gets killed, just get the propaganda out. The moment they fired into Israel from the midst of their own population they not only failed to protect their own people but incited retaliation. That only 900 of them were killed shows the restraint Israel used as those numbers, historically would have been triple or even ten times that at least. Yes, Hamas deliberately placed their people in danger when they used their cities and neighborhoods as a war zone with which to stage attacks on Israeli citizens. Such is the way of war in that area unfortunately. It seems the Israelis learned a thing or two from Hamas. Four hundred Hamas militants hiding amongst their human shields and only three hundred children were killed? Remarkable restraint by israel. No place was safe? You mean that simultaneously all of Gaza was destroyed at the same moment with nopt one building left standing? Amazing. Why would Hamas bring this misery onto their people? Israel had good reason to go in to stop the rockets fired by Hamas at their civilians. What pray tell was the reason Hamas placed their entire population at risk by using the people, the cities and the entire society as a shild to hide their weapons, activities and militants in order to attack Israel's civilians? I figure the deaths were real. Hamas has no compunction about killing their own in order to advance their propaganda. They used the entire population as a human shield. Otherwise, Israel never would to have gone into populated areas to find them. According to international law, high-value targets protected by civilian human shields can still be attacked so long as every effort is made to minimize civilian deaths. Article 51 of the 1977 amendment to the 1949 Geneva Convention; "The presence of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not ;e used to render certain areas (i.e.: civilian objects) immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield these military objects from attacks or to shield, favor or impede military operations." You have Hamas, who's whole entire battle plan is to begin by not even attempting to follow any vague idea of Geneva conventions (I suppose it is a good thing they never signed) and continue to break every part of every article of it. Then, you have Israel who has to go in, attempt to separate these vermin from the population who, for the most part, are aiding them in their mission, and fight a war. The remarkable restrait is proven by the miraculously low casualty figures. Imagine how low they could have been had not Hamas used their entire population and society as a human shield to enact their acts of terrorism in order to gain the civilian deaths of their own people to use for propaganda.

Dub only reads what the echo chamber tells him and has no knowledge of the deaths Gandhi caused to his own people.In order to know this he would actually have to crack a book rather than cut and paste from an anti Israel propaganda site.

Can you provide the websites of these Arab/Muslim groups please Dub?

Not at all. Dropping bombs to kill your enemy is called warfare and, has been done in similar ways for tens of thousands of years. Sending your own civilians out to be beaten to a pulp and slaughtered in order to make a political statement is somewhat fucked up, yet very new comparably.

You said However, Jews were already established in that area and had been for generations which makes any attempt to use another peoples as an example invalid. As well, while Jews were established, they were not viewed as full humans by Arabs hence, when they began to immigrate, they became a perceived threat to them. The antisemitism goes back centuries however, this would have been the first time it was actually remotely valid.